Minneapolis Riots

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If history is any guide, either some further dirt will be dug up on Mr. Floyd (subtext: bad guy deserved to die, thank goodness cops put an end to his reign of terror), or outright lies will be told. This is how it’s shaken out for Ahmaud Arbery.

As to charges ex police officers, probably pleaded down, the other three tactfully shuffled through the exit. Actually convicting police of brutality and murder is as unsure a thing as you can imagine
 
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The problem is that police with a history of brutality aren’t blacklisted, let alone prohibited by law from being hired by another police department.
 
Personally, I think the riots are being helped along by ‘out of town’ types in all of these cities. The locals want real peaceful protests (for the most part). People with a completely different agenda are capitalizing on the opportunity to help destroy as many US cities as possible at the same time. It’s calculated and orchestrated.

What is really going to happen is earnest protesters who want change will see change, but it won’t be any kind of change any of us will want. Some unscrupulous sorts have been waiting for just one more thing to institute their plan that has been many years in the making.
 
pnewton said:
The protesters? I totally support what they are doing. The rioters? I expect them to be arrested, prosecuted, or at least pay for all the damage they do.
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Fair enough. But time and again protest haven’t affected the required level of change. I think what we are seeing is people feeling that all other options have been exhausted. All that’s left is to attack the system.

We halfway know what happens. Yes the officer was arrested but most likely he will plead down or maybe get acquitted after years of waiting.

They shouldn’t loot. Just as those men shouldn’t have looted and vandalized that tea shipment centuries ago.
 
Anrakyr said:
This tells me that the problem is the police. Even if you completely ignore the racial bias there is a clear and systematic culture of toxic authority and misused power.
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I will consider your words. The data does show that while racial discrepancy has been reduced, drastically in the case of education, it has not improved at all in criminal justice. Perhaps there is more of a problem with police toxicity than societal racism.

At this point, all I can do is stop it in its tracks where I am, my own little corner.
 
Poet said:
I addressed the false claim that this would never happen to a white man.
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This is a long thread, so I may have missed it. Did somebody here make this claim?
Poet said:
The point is whether this is the pure racism that’s only happening to black men, as claimed by many people and implied by the media. That point is false.
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I don’t think we know that yet. That a disproportionate number of African-Americans are targeted in these cases makes it worth at least considering racism as a hypothesis.
 
ArtPop said:
What are your thoughts on this? Are they justified in their destruction because it’s for a good cause?
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I’m just imagining how people here would react if Catholics burnt down abortion clinics, threw bottles and other objects at abortion doctors, and torched/looted stores while they’re at it, in the name of a “good cause”. All of us here would be opposed to such actions and sooner call it terrorism than a “protest”, but anyone left-of-center gets a pass for… reasons.

The double standards grow so tiresome.
 
CathoRick said:
I’m just imagining how people here would react if Catholics burnt down abortion clinics, threw bottles and other objects at abortion doctors, and torched/looted stores while they’re at it, in the name of a “good cause”. All of us here would be opposed to such actions and sooner call it terrorism than a “protest”, but anyone left-of-center gets a pass for… reasons.

The double standards grow so tiresome.
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They have, but christains are not a minority.
 
I do not recall Catholics banding together to assault individuals and indiscriminately torch/loot buildings in recent history, let alone doing so with the support of their fellow Catholics and greater society. The lone wolf shooter at the NZ mosque was Catholic I believe, but virtually all Catholics opposed it.

It is quite bigoted to treat secularists as lesser animals who cannot think for themselves and thus can’t be held accountable for their actions. They’re no less human than we are. Rebuke them accordingly, as you would a brother or sister Catholic who commits the same crime.
 
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Anrakyr said:
Peaceful protest has been exhausted so we are now at violence. This has been a problem ignored too long and as such it’s boiling over.
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Hitler came to a similar conclusion regarding the Jews, and look how much it escalated from there. The violence wasn’t justified then and neither is it today.
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Frankly I think the abortion issue can be solved in other creative ways
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So too can this.
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Stay on topic please.
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My comparison was very relevant to the topic at hand. Sorry if it made you uncomfortable to think from a Catholic perspective.
 
CathoRick said:
My comparison was very relevant to the topic at hand. Sorry if it made you uncomfortable to think from a Catholic perspective.
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It doesn’t but this is a legal issue. Abortion like it or not is legal but more importantly is consistently legal across the board. If a child makes it to birth and then are killed, regardless of circumstances the killer is charged.

What we have here however is police acting outside and excused by the law. Be it by racial bias, their position or more likely both.

It’s. Not. The. Same.
 
I find it strange that you’re basing your morals off off of secular laws. Choking an infant to death in the womb is fine because it’s legal, but killing a black man in the same manner is not, because laws. Such a flimsy moral code.

But, my gf wants to talk and I’m finding myself more inclined to spend time with her than on you at present, so have a good night sir. 🙂
 
CathoRick said:
I find it strange that you’re basing your morals off off of secular laws. Choking an infant to death in the womb is fine because it’s legal, but killing a black man in the same manner is not, because laws. Such a flimsy moral code.
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No, I’m pointing out how they can’t be compared because the problems are not the same.

You have the legal recourse to elect the people and pass the law to enact the change you desire.

Black brothers and sisters are being abused and the law is not being applied at all. Even if the DA office is forced to press charges the courts render non guilty verdicts as in the case of Castile.
So without recourse they riot.

But if it’s a Catholic mindset you want I quote Thomas Moore, Play: Man for all Seasons.

Roper: Arrest him
Moore: For what?
Moore’s Daughter:That man’s bad
Moore: there’s no law against that.
Roper: Yes there is Gods law.
Moore: Then God can arrest him
Roper: and while you talk he goes.
Moore: and go he should if he was the devil himself till he broke the law.
Roper: Self?! Now you give the Devil benifit over the law?
Moore: And what would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the devil?
Roper: Aye, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Moore: oh? And when the last law was down and the devil turned round on you. Where would you hide with every law being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, man’s laws not Gods and if you cut them down… And your just the man to do it, do you think you can stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the devil benifit of the law for my own safety sake!

They laws have been cut down by police. This riot is the wind.
 
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ArtPop said:
I was reading the news today, and I’m seeing so much about the riots protesting police brutality towards people of color in Minneapolis after the death of George Floyd. I know for certain they burnt down a Walmart, looted and vandalized a Target grocery store, destroyed a police precinct, and that’s just the stuff I know of. What are your thoughts on this? Are they justified in their destruction because it’s for a good cause?
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They burnt down a Walmart to protest police brutality? How are the owners and staff of the Walmart responsible for the death of George Floyd?

Protest may be justified. Vandalism and robbery are not. Nor is there any chance that burning down stores will put an end to police brutality.
 
I am here. Many carloads of people coming in from out of state to engage in organized rioting and looting. Guess where the majority of store burning and looting is taking place? In areas where people make less than $33,000, have few options for grocery stores, etc. Many minority owned small businesses gone, already devastated by Covid. Destruction is senseless.
Yesterday we prayed to the Holy Spirit for supernatural wisdom, which has nothing to do with violence. Please pray for us.
 
I don’t think they are justified in their destruction but I understand why they are upset.
 
Anrakyr said:
Roper: Aye, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Moore: oh? And when the last law was down and the devil turned round on you. Where would you hide with every law being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, man’s laws not Gods and if you cut them down… And your just the man to do it, do you think you can stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I give the devil benifit of the law for my own safety sake!

They laws have been cut down by police. This riot is the wind.
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