Modesty in swimsuits

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What if there are vending machines in many pews at Mass? Vending machines walking down the street? Surrounding you in a classroom? Would it be easier if there weren’t quite so many vending machines everywhere? If there were vending machines surrounding you at Mass, how much would you be thinking about God, or how much would you be thinking about twix bars?
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
You can’t include the same word in a definition.
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I am confused. Are you asking me to define lust? It’s strong carnal desire that usually leads to uh…certain changes in the body. I don’t want to violate forum rules.
 
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From a Catholic perspective, lust is disordered desire… desire that objectifies the other for one’s sole pleasure.
Ordered desire within marriage is meant to be more mutually giving, and isn’t described as lust. Passion, perhaps, but not lust.
 
twf said:
From a Catholic perspective, lust is disordered desire… desire that objectifies the other for one’s sole pleasure.
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I think that is just a euphemism. Let’s be honest. I am trying to keep this G rated, but I do lust for my wife’s body. If there is no turn on there is no erection and no ejackulation, and thus no baby. That is how the birds and the bees work.

Objevtivication is another word for strong attraction.
 
Why? Are you trying to tell me you are not turned on by your partner? I am not following this. It should be perfectly fine to lust within the confines of marriage.
 
on_the_hill said:
There’s a difference between the vending machine and the woman (I hope you all realize that, just on principle).
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There’s also a difference between a comparison and an analogy. I hope you realize that, so that I’m not accused of “comparing women to vending machines.” 😏

But yea, women all too often get objectified to about a Twix-bar status . . . regardless it’s an open Twix bar, (clothing judged as “immodest”) or one that you know is hiding in someone’s gym bag, (Burqa).
Loud-living-dogma said:
What if there are vending machines in many pews at Mass? Vending machines walking down the street? Surrounding you in a classroom? Would it be easier if there weren’t quite so many vending machines everywhere?
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Actually, junk food is quite ubiquitous in our culture.
Loud-living-dogma said:
If there were vending machines surrounding you at Mass, how much would you be thinking about God, or how much would you be thinking about twix bars?
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If your analogy is going where I think it is, I’m not going to engage in yet another of CAF’s trademark judge-women’s-clothes-at-Mass threads.

But people whose blood sugar nosedives easily and who have been fasting before Eucharist might be thinking about that Twix bar an awful lot. (I suppose there’s always the prospect of coffee and donuts in the parish hall).
 
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phil19034 said:
not necessarily.

You can have the chemical reaction when married and in love.

Lust is the opposite of love.
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How do you have the “chemical reaction” without being “turned on”? Lust is necessary for marital love. You have to be physically attracted or there is no point. I feel like we are on different planets as I’ve never heard your line of reasoning. No offense, but I don’t think or react like you are describing.
 
Since lust is a fairly ambiguous term, the catechism makes a distinction.
 
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phil19034:
not necessarily.

You can have the chemical reaction when married and in love.

Lust is the opposite of love.
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How do you have the “chemical reaction” without being “turned on”? Lust is necessary for marital love. You have to be physically attracted or there is no point. I feel like we are on different planets as I’ve never heard your line of reasoning. No offense, but I don’t think or react like you are describing.
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Think about this for a moment. Lust is one of the 7 Deadly Sins, so how could it possibly be necessary for marital love?

According to paragraph 2351 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church
  • Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
The below link has all 10 places “lust” is found and discussed in the Catechism as FYI.
Hope this helps.
 
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You are misunderstanding what lust is. What you are calling lust is actually arousal, maybe physical attraction. These things can be good and normal in a marriage, but they are not lust. Lust is something else.
 
phil19034 said:
The religious man doesn’t want any girls/women lusted after while the non-religious man picks and chooses which women can be lusted after and who can’t be
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I wasn’t really referring to that, but rather more liberal men wouldn’t see a problem with certain clothing (e.g. Pants, skinny jeans, running shorts) because they see it as normal. While some religious men who have that weird filter on and find that certain things are immodest.

So it’s not that they’re okay with sexy outfits, but rather they don’t find it sexy in the first place. I’m not talking about universally sexy clothing, but stuff like the swimsuits shown here, shorts and so on.

Edited to add: not referring to all religious men, but those who are obsessive about avoiding lust. If you’re walking around viewing women as temptations, you’re more likely to zoom in on certain things that you wouldn’t if you’re thinking about something else.
 
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yes, but even husbands and wive can fall into disordered proportion of marital bedroom desires. It must be caring, self-giving, respectful — and yes passion if perfectly natural.
 
IsaiahSpirit said:
yes, but even husbands and wive can fall into disordered proportion of marital bedroom desires. It must be caring, self-giving, respectful — and yes passion if perfectly natural.
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I have no idea of what you are talking about. What can possibly be “disordered” within the confines of marriage?
 
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LisaB said:
These things can be good and normal in a marriage, but they are not lust. Lust is something else.
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What else is it? I think we are just getting hung up on terminology because lust has a bad connotation. If a man is married and finds his wife “hot” and therefore wants to “get it on” what is wrong with that? I am getting an odd vibe from some of you.
 
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