Modesty in swimsuits

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As a moderator on another forum, I’ve seen all the ways to bend the rules.
 
It’s an example of how to insult men and women and the rules of good behavior. Well done, as far as the poster is concerned, but still wrong.
 
Maybe you can accuse someone in a more specific way, instead of being vague about it. Because that at least clear things up. I don’t see how it was insulting to anyone at all.
 
I think there’s an element we’re missing here – some styles of women’s clothing are very feminine styled. This femininity is not very common in secular modern Western society, but is more common, I think, in more “traditional” societies such as Latin American countries (I could be wrong here). For instance, I have seen women at Mass who are dressed in a very feminine style, which also might overlap with beautiful / “hot” to some people. Just as men in these societies exhibit machismo, the women tend to be more stereotypically feminine, more so than the average modern American woman.
 
Fashion designers and cosmetics companies decide what face and what body shape is “standard” for any country or region. There are beautiful women in the United States who have been ‘taught’ how to dress by the media. They have no style. They can wear very bland clothing. The same for men in the US.

There are standards, and no stereotypes. Actual, real world standards exist. These very human standards exist, in non-photographic form, in anatomy books.

Clothing design in Western countries is dictated by an elite group of fashion designers. These people have knowledge the average person lacks.
 
Lea101 said:
For me? Depends on who’s giving me these opinions. I actually trust a more liberal man in this matter because I find religious men in my life are always analysing women’s clothes and bodies.

I find that they always find something wrong with anything unless I dress like an old woman or if I wear something odd and frumpy, kind of like the swimsuits in the link someone else posted.
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From my time in college, (granted it was the 1990s) most men think the same way on this. Religion really isn’t an issue.

The only difference is how they feel about the female friend and their views/feeling regarding her hooking up / having sex with others.
  • If they think of her as a sister and do not want her to be taken advantage of, they will most likely be just like the religious men (even if an atheist)
  • Do they think of her like a sister but think that it’s totally cool for women to have tons of sex partners - then they are going to be cool with her looking sexy
  • are they secretly in love with her and don’t want any guys touching her: they are most likely going to lean conservative with their reply to her
  • do they secretly sexually attracted to her but not in love and don’t care if she hooks up with others — most likely going to be ok with sexy outfits.
So while religion plays a factor into a man’s view of sex, it’s not really going to impact his view of modesty. The religious man doesn’t want any girls/women lusted after while the non-religious man picks and chooses which women can be lusted after and who can’t be
 
Your post is inconsistent regarding religious men. “Religion really isn’t an issue.” to “The religious man doesn’t want any girls/women lusted after while…”
 
edwest211 said:
Your post is inconsistent regarding religious men. “Religion really isn’t an issue.” to “The religious man doesn’t want any girls/women lusted after while…”
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I was trying to say that modesty is important to both religious and non-religious men. The only difference is for the religious man, modesty is important all the time while for the non-religious man, modestly is only important for select women depending on his relationship with them.

For example: most men (religious or nonreligious) would prefer their sisters and mothers to dress modestly (unless they have zero taboos regarding sex)
 
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Taboo is a wrong word. Human behavior should always have limits for the good of the individual and society as a whole. In the US, there is an STD epidemic going on but people appear to ignore that. Here at least.
 
IsaiahSpirit said:
today some misguided young lady showing a very suggestive photo of her top cleavage; I mean really suggestive; tried to ‘friend’ me on social media.
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I’m willing to bet that it was a bot trawling for accounts. I get those once in a while, and always assume they’re not “real” people.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
I have to say ladies, are these really the Christian attitudes we are to have? It’s okay for women to wear whatever they want while men just have to be told to look away and if he does look, because it is in a man’s human nature to notice a scadily dressed woman, he is considered an animal?
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I don’t think that just looking at women is the issue, and men who look aren’t automatically animals. It’s when men blame-shift the problem, making their own lust the fault of women instead of taking personal responsibility.

There’s an entitlement complex involved in demanding that women dress to your standards to accommodate your personal weaknesses. (Not you personally - I realize you’re female).

Is it OK to place vending machines in my path when I’m trying to lose weight? It’s in my human nature to crave Twix bars. Shall I demand that they all be covered so that I don’t fall into temptation?

Or better still, should I look at them, acknowledge the temptation, pat myself on the back for steering clear of it, and move on with my day?
 
The way you describe it I must admit it is very perplexing. My view will probably be more open than what others will say. Let’s just admit that most men are very fond of the female form. Yes, attractivness is part of courtship, even for Christians.
 
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edwest211 said:
Taboo is a wrong word. Human behavior should always have limits for the good of the individual and society as a whole. In the US, there is an STD epidemic going on but people appear to ignore that. Here at least.
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Yes, I know. I used the word “taboo” because I couldn’t think of another word.
 
blackforest said:
Is it OK to place vending machines in my path when I’m trying to lose weight? It’s in my human nature to crave Twix bars. Shall I demand that they all be covered so that I don’t fall into temptation?
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Oy vey. You folks are going to make me come across as pro-modesty. :roll_eyes:😁
There’s a difference between the vending machine and the woman (I hope you all realize that, just on principle).
Re: the woman, the “objectification,” “lust”, whatever, draws her into the situation.
Re: the vending machine, the only person affected is you.

From my perspec, the big problem with objectification and lust is mostly that it re-frames how we see each other and how we treat each other. Whether a guy struggles within himself is much, much less of a concern. If you objectify and have sinful thoughts, deal with it. That’s on you, amigo.

The problem emerges if you consequently act in a way that hurts people other than yourself.
 
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edwest211 said:
Moral relativism should not be encouraged.
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I am telling her to use Prudential judgement, that is not moral relativism. As long as what she wears is legal she is the only one who should make that call. We all have enough to worry about in life. Let the young lady go to the beach and have fun. She should be able to flirt, meet guys, etc. It sounds like she is a young adult. That is the best time of her life.
 
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