Modesty in swimsuits

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PadrePio123 said:
many average Joe’s who go to a beach only with the good intention of surf and Sun only
may never advertise to the world that they ended up lusting the half-naked bodies they saw on the beach despite their best efforts
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And whose problem is that? Certainly not the problem of the girl in the swimsuit. Like others said, if a guy can’t keep his head out of the gutter, then the beach isn’t probably the best place for him. Maybe the zoo, instead? Oh wait, the animals walk around naked there. Some even engage in mating activities right out in the open for everyone to see. Better stay home.
 
It’s actually amazing how some posters operate from a mentality like this.
 
That is very true. And the adults responsible either don’t care about kids or only care about what they want, or both. Very wrong.
 
In the US, I am sad to see the hypersexualization of many things. That is messed up.
 
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Will come to know the problems on the final judgement day
Mathew 18:6
 
I know there are a lot of Saint Padre Pio fans out there! Do we just ignore his advice that we think is outdated or too old-fashioned? If a provocative swimsuit would have been “indecent” in 1919, or 1959, or 59 BC, can we just say it’s okay now if the woman is comfortable wearing it?
 
Doesn’t it depend on what ones definition is of “immodest” or '“indecent”?
 
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PadrePio123 said:
If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble
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You’re hardly a “little one” if you’re big enough to be feeling lust when you look at a woman in a swimsuit.

Take responsibility for your own moral character and your own sins. Quit blaming it on other people. Grown, mature men don’t find themselves committing sins of lust when they see a woman appropriately dressed for swimming, or for the tennis court, or for track or any other athletic activity.
 
There should be no debate about this. Female anatomy demands that modesty be observed.
 
Padre Pio also thought pants on women were inappropriate. Modesty is culturally dependent. If we did not believe so, we’d all still be dressed the same way we dressed 1000 or even 2000 years ago.
 
Okay, let me rephrase. There are a lot of people who love most of what Saint Padre Pio said, but they ignore his comments about what he would have considered “indecent”. Do we just ignore his comments about clothing, and fashions that he would have thought are offensive? Too old-fashioned? Should Christians wear something similar to a “burkini”? Would Saint Padre Pio have approved of something like a burkini?
 
mrsdizzyd said:
Padre Pio also thought pants on women were inappropriate. Modesty is culturally dependent. If we did not believe so, we’d all still be dressed the same way we dressed 1000 or even 2000 years ago.
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Some cultures do still dress the way they used to, 1000 or 2000 years ago. Is that “good”, or “bad”? If you were around Saint Padre Pio, let’s say, in 1950, and he said that women shouldn’t wear pants, would more people have taken his advice then? Do you think our culture is more holy and good now? Not to say that everyone was holier in 1950, but I bet a lot of people were.
 
Allegedly, Padre Pio thought all women wearing trousers, or a sleeve that didn’t come down below the elbow, were indecently dressed. This would mean that 75 percent of women, including many over age 65, whom I see at Mass on any given day are immodestly dressed. It would mean that we have canonized several female saints who appeared in public on a regular basis dressed immodestly.

It may have made perfect sense during Padre Pio’s time when clothing standards for women were different. It does not make sense today.

Also, saints can be wrong about some things and still be saints.
 
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Why were clothing standards different? Because we hadn’t been brainwashed by consumer culture and the sexual revolution?
 
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No, because women’s practical lives as they evolved to include things like working in factories, driving cars, and participating in athletics called for different clothing than a skirt below the knee and long sleeves.
 
edwest211 said:
There should be no debate about this. Female anatomy demands that modesty be observed.
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It should have been abundantly clear from the many preceding posts that it is very much debatable as to who gets to define modesty, as well as why the working assumption of many is that men are no better than a pack of leering, out of control dogs, and thus “it’s all up to the women.”
 
It has nothing to do with perceive holiness and everything to do with cultural constructs.

Padre Pio is a saint for all eternity, but each of his statements has not been canonized. They are not declared true for all eternity. If someone wants to follow Padre Pio’s clothing advice, they are more than welcome to do so.

For a saint with even more interesting clothing advice see St. Francis de Sales…
 
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