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tonyrey
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Does God ever intervene?Let’s start with the last one first. I was explicitly referencing the movie “Signs” where Mel Gibson and Joachim Phoenix sit on the couch and explicitly discuss this very issue: Does God constantly intervene in the world or not? They come to the conclusion that there are only two possibilities: You believe God intervenes constantly or you’re an atheist. You are absolutely right–that’s a false dilemma or a false dichotomy. There is a third position, which is mine–belief in God, but not a God who is constantly intervening in the world.
How do you interpret this:“He [Jesus] certainly rejected the idea that God just lets things happen without ever doing anything to prevent or alleviate suffering.” Please quote a passage from the NT or Catechism to back that up.
Mark 11:24 ?“Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.”
Can you prove it **never **rains in answer to prayer?I will gladly accept “alleviate suffering” in the sense of “strengthen your resolve” or something like that, and of course I wouldn’t see this as an “intervention” at the exact time of trial–once again, I would see it as a built-in part of creation before time. Although since this is mental, I could accept an “at the time” intervention–mentally. If God wanted to “alleviate suffering” by breaking natural laws, He could go into a famine area and make food and water magically appear. That doesn’t happen. Do aid agencies bring food and water? Yes. Are they agents of God? Sure, in a sense. Again, indirect, not direct, action.
It puts you in the same category as Calvin who believed miracles haven’t occurred since the time of Jesus.“There is nothing to distinguish this argument [denying that God intervenes to stop evil from natural causes, or modern day miracles] from that of an atheist.” You’re right. An atheist would make the same arguments. Hitler was against smoking. I’m against smoking. We agree on that issue. That doesn’t make me Hitler, and agreeing with atheists on some issues doesn’t make me an atheist.
What is the justification for ruling out all healing in any context?As for modern miracles, I guess I’m very much like the Apostle Thomas. I need to be shown. Curing a headache or a backache isn’t a verifiable miracle. How about all those nice preachers on TV who perform “healings” on every show? Are they performing miracles? No?
- Do you reject the accounts of miracles worked by the Apostles and all the saints canonised by the Catholic Church?
- Why doesn’t God give modern saints the power to work miracles which alleviate suffering?
- If you had the power to alleviate suffering in the world would you?