More anti-Catholic bias from Boston Globe columnist

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bones_IV:
I think the guy on VOTF is all wet. Oh well.
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The true intentions of VOTF can be found on their own website as follows:

Force the Church to give in to their demands by withholding financial support-
•2002 Convention, Father Thomas Doyle - “We must stop enabling, through our continued financial support,… “

•2002 Convention, James E. Muller, Chair “The laity initial controls 100% of the cash, and now envisions a structure that can give it selective control over donations.” … ” … the ability to exert collective control over our individual financial donations that sustain the Church.”

The Church is corrupt and has erroneous teachings-
•2002 Convention, Father Thomas Doyle – “By sustaining the erroneous magical thinking about the sacraments we also sustain the false notion of the power that clerics hold over the believers.

•2002 Convention, James E. Muller, Chair – “We must enable a worldwide church of one billion members to return to its teachings of the first century of our era, 1,900 years ago, when the divine message of Jesus Christ was fresh, clear, ethical, and uncorrupted…”

•2003 Convention, A. W. Richard Sipe – “The catechism teaching–the official Church teaching about sex–is not credible. … It does not conform to nature. It is based on a pre-Copernican understanding of human life and sexuality.”

They do not want dialogue, they want their demands met –
• 2003 Convention, Catharine A. Hennignsen – “We need further to demand regular status reports from our bishops on all priests removed from ministry due to accusations of child abuse.”

•02/28/2004 The Boston Globe, James E. Post, President – “The pope must meet with an international delegation of survivors of sexual abuse. … Bishops must be removed and resignations accepted. … An international truth and reconciliation commission must be established.”

“A Guide for Renewing and Restructuring the Catholic Church” I believe will show you the direction VOTF is going and which is directly towards schism.

The following are articles about VOTF from various sites for you to read and make you own judgments upon.

When Wolves Dress Like Sheep: A Close Look at Voice of the Faithful

Critique of “Voice of the Faithful”

Voice of the Faithful Gathers in Boston, Honors Fr. Tom Doyle

An Inside Look at Voice of the Faithful

Bishop explains concerns about Voice of the Faithful

Voice of the Faithful misleads the laity

Some Attending Voice of the Faithful Meetings Find They Have No Voice

VOTF Shows Its Stripes

Where the Faithful Have No Voice

What Is VOTF’s Real Agenda?

Voice of the Faithful?

Experience at a VOTF Meeting

VOTF’s End

Voice of the Faithful’s Agenda is Ambiguous and Disingenuous

I urge you take a hard, subjective look at this evidence and then ask yourself “Is this really a group with a faithful Catholic agenda?”
 
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volzcpa:
The true intentions of VOTF can be found on their own website as follows:

Force the Church to give in to their demands by withholding financial support-
•2002 Convention, Father Thomas Doyle - “We must stop enabling, through our continued financial support,… “

•2002 Convention, James E. Muller, Chair “The laity initial controls 100% of the cash, and now envisions a structure that can give it selective control over donations.” … ” … the ability to exert collective control over our individual financial donations that sustain the Church.”

The Church is corrupt and has erroneous teachings-
•2002 Convention, Father Thomas Doyle – “By sustaining the erroneous magical thinking about the sacraments we also sustain the false notion of the power that clerics hold over the believers.

•2002 Convention, James E. Muller, Chair – “We must enable a worldwide church of one billion members to return to its teachings of the first century of our era, 1,900 years ago, when the divine message of Jesus Christ was fresh, clear, ethical, and uncorrupted…”

•2003 Convention, A. W. Richard Sipe – “The catechism teaching–the official Church teaching about sex–is not credible. … It does not conform to nature. It is based on a pre-Copernican understanding of human life and sexuality.”

They do not want dialogue, they want their demands met –
• 2003 Convention, Catharine A. Hennignsen – “We need further to demand regular status reports from our bishops on all priests removed from ministry due to accusations of child abuse.”

•02/28/2004 The Boston Globe, James E. Post, President – “The pope must meet with an international delegation of survivors of sexual abuse. … Bishops must be removed and resignations accepted. … An international truth and reconciliation commission must be established.”

“A Guide for Renewing and Restructuring the Catholic Church” I believe will show you the direction VOTF is going and which is directly towards schism.

The following are articles about VOTF from various sites for you to read and make you own judgments upon.

When Wolves Dress Like Sheep: A Close Look at Voice of the Faithful

Critique of “Voice of the Faithful”

Voice of the Faithful Gathers in Boston, Honors Fr. Tom Doyle

An Inside Look at Voice of the Faithful

Bishop explains concerns about Voice of the Faithful

Voice of the Faithful misleads the laity

Some Attending Voice of the Faithful Meetings Find They Have No Voice

VOTF Shows Its Stripes

Where the Faithful Have No Voice

What Is VOTF’s Real Agenda?

Voice of the Faithful?

Experience at a VOTF Meeting

VOTF’s End

Voice of the Faithful’s Agenda is Ambiguous and Disingenuous

I urge you take a hard, subjective look at this evidence and then ask yourself “Is this really a group with a faithful Catholic agenda?”
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No, I believe its not a faithful catholic group. James Carrol criticized Mel Gibson for his Passion of the Christ. Even calling the Gospels anti-semetic. He seemed to link traditional catholicism with with his vilification of Pius XII. Which I believe to be a vieled attack on the late John Paul II. In other words he was saying that the hierarchy, the vicar of Christ and the faithful are a bunch of anti-semites. Seems to me that the VOTF is Martin Luther all over again. James Carrol as far as I’m concerned is guilty of holocaust denial.
 
Does Pope Benedict XVI view Pope Pius XII as a good Pope? This may sound like a dumb question. I know he mentioned him during the beautification ceremony of Bishop von Galen.
 
Peace be with you!

What a piece of hate-filled trash that article was. Well, I’ve e-mailed both the writer of the article and the Boston Globe to let them know just how much I “appreciated” the article.

In Christ,
Rand
 
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Riley259:
Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi wrote a column today in the Globe accusing current Archbishop O’Malley of exacting revenge for ousted former leader Cardinal Law by removing priests who had opposed Law’s leadership after the church scandal broke. Her reasoning is patently absurd and again demonstrates why the Globe has to be the most anti-Catholic newspaper in the country. She also accuses O’Malley of being obedient to Rome when it comes to ousting dissident priests…well, that part she got right. Now how dare the Archbishop be obedient to the Magisterium…outrageous, huh? Read the column on the link below.

boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/02/reality_sets_in____rome_rules_boston/
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You have to remeber that the Boson Globes opinon of who is a good Catholic is John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.
 
vern humphrey:
Roughly the Nazi’s opinion of who is a good Frenchman.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Well, all I can say is that the Nazi’s were a real liberal group. And believe me their newspapers were not kind to the Catholic Church. Hitler said, “Pius XII is the only person who won’t obey me.” But liberal Senators like Kennedy and Kerry just simply do not view Pope Benedict XVI positively. They would rather see Benedict sacrifice “the old ideas” of his institution. Little do they realize how absurd they sound, and it just shows their ignorance. Yes, the Senators Kerry and Ted Kennedy, who get angry when a prisoner from al-Queda is mistreated, but they only condemn the terrorist bombings minimally. Here’s their definition of good Catholic, someone who doesn’t live in the dark ages, loves sexual immorality, and doesn’t have any guts to tell the truth. Yes, this the Boston Globe’s opinion of a good Catholic. Vern, are there any other examples of anti-catholic bias from the Boston Globe?
 
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bones_IV:
Well, all I can say is that the Nazi’s were a real liberal group. And believe me their newspapers were not kind to the Catholic Church. Hitler said, “Pius XII is the only person who won’t obey me.” But liberal Senators like Kennedy and Kerry just simply do not view Pope Benedict XVI positively. They would rather see Benedict sacrifice “the old ideas” of his institution. Little do they realize how absurd they sound, and it just shows their ignorance. Yes, the Senators Kerry and Ted Kennedy, who get angry when a prisoner from al-Queda is mistreated, but they only condemn the terrorist bombings minimally. Here’s their definition of good Catholic, someone who doesn’t live in the dark ages, loves sexual immorality, and doesn’t have any guts to tell the truth. Yes, this the Boston Globe’s opinion of a good Catholic. Vern, are there any other examples of anti-catholic bias from the Boston Globe?
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Beats me. I live in Arkansas – I only read the Boston Globe when someone calls something atrocious to our attention via the internet.
 
vern humphrey:
Beats me. I live in Arkansas – I only read the Boston Globe when someone calls something atrocious to our attention via the internet.
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I’ve experienced a lot of anti-pope sentiment in my day. As a matter of fact there was this rediculous article in our local newspaper which attacked the Papacy during the presidential campaign of 2004. It went on to say that there were three popes reigning at the same time, and this was their way of beating up on Mother Church, when people like Cardinal Arinze were defending the faith. One guy attacked my faith at work once a few years ago, when he told me “that the Catholic Church’s history isn’t exactly something to be proud of.” Once again our society blames the Catholic Church for all the problems that exist in atheistic America. But liberal controlled press like the Boston Globe has remained virtually silent about anti-semetism. You know, Vern, it seems to me that everyone wants to play “blame the Church game.” The culture of death will not have the last word.
 
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bones_IV:
I’ve experienced a lot of anti-pope sentiment in my day. As a matter of fact there was this rediculous article in our local newspaper which attacked the Papacy during the presidential campaign of 2004. It went on to say that there were three popes reigning at the same time, and this was their way of beating up on Mother Church, when people like Cardinal Arinze were defending the faith. One guy attacked my faith at work once a few years ago, when he told me “that the Catholic Church’s history isn’t exactly something to be proud of.” Once again our society blames the Catholic Church for all the problems that exist in atheistic America. But liberal controlled press like the Boston Globe has remained virtually silent about anti-semetism. You know, Vern, it seems to me that everyone wants to play “blame the Church game.” The culture of death will not have the last word.
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We Catholics are the only whipping boys left in America. No one would dare speak – especially on TV or in print – about any other group the way the Mainstream Media talks about us.
 
Vern, I’ve never heard of the term whipping boys. What you said however is a prime example of how other groups get treated more equally than others. What’s ever happened to equal treatment?
 
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bones_IV:
Vern, I’ve never heard of the term whipping boys. What you said however is a prime example of how other groups get treated more equally than others. What’s ever happened to equal treatment?
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A whipping boy was a boy kept to be punished instead of the pampered son of the family. It was an old custom among English nobility – “Here, you can’t whip the Prince of Wales!! Beat the scullery maid’s son instead.”

I confess, I used a different word in the original post (our moderator kindly changed it for me.)

We will not get equal treatment – the “intelligensia” hate us because we oppose things like gay marriage and abortion, and the Fundamentalists hate us – well, you know why they hate us.
 
Hmmn. That’s interesting. Kind of like spoil the prince, but beat up the peasant game. Never thought of it that way. But then again I think our nation has lost its sense of morality. To do so, is to replace it with other ideals in order to “reeducate” the people. Such is the extent that it literally resorts to doing types of measurements that are against the will of the people. Protecting another groups rights while taking away another’s. In other words the current hate bill passed gives the appearance of tolerance but with an undemocratic agenda in disguise. Giving other people tolerance and refusing it to another is not democratic but rather leads to a government foriegn to democracy. Like an alternative totalitarian regime talked about in Orwells 1984. Vern, its like people in this nation just don’t quite get it. We catholics bare a majority of the responsibility.
 
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bones_IV:
Hmmn. That’s interesting. Kind of like spoil the prince, but beat up the peasant game.
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Reminds me of an old story in the British Army. The NCOs at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst would tell sloppy or inept cadets, “If I was your father, I’d shoot meself.”

Prince Henry (son of George IV) was a cadet and was caught slacking off. The NCO roared out, "Idle, Mister Prince Henry, idle! If I was your father I’d <and at that point he remembered just who Henry’s father was> I’d, I’d, I’d HABDICATE!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
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bones_IV:
Never thought of it that way. But then again I think our nation has lost its sense of morality. To do so, is to replace it with other ideals in order to “reeducate” the people. Such is the extent that it literally resorts to doing types of measurements that are against the will of the people. Protecting another groups rights while taking away another’s. In other words the current hate bill passed gives the appearance of tolerance but with an undemocratic agenda in disguise. Giving other people tolerance and refusing it to another is not democratic but rather leads to a government foriegn to democracy. Like an alternative totalitarian regime talked about in Orwells 1984. Vern, its like people in this nation just don’t quite get it. We catholics bare a majority of the responsibility.
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It has now become right to do wrong - as long as it’s for a good cause.

Morally, we are like a compass needle that has been de-magnitized.
 
vern humphrey:
Reminds me of an old story in the British Army. The NCOs at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst would tell sloppy or inept cadets, “If I was your father, I’d shoot meself.”

Prince Henry (son of George IV) was a cadet and was caught slacking off. The NCO roared out, "Idle, Mister Prince Henry, idle! If I was your father I’d <and at that point he remembered just who Henry’s father was> I’d, I’d, I’d HABDICATE!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
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That is so funny. There was this one Russian play called Lieutenant Kiji, which was indirectly criticized the czar and when it was play during the Soviet regime aimed at Stalin himself.
vern humphrey:
It has now become right to do wrong - as long as it’s for a good cause.

Morally, we are like a compass needle that has been de-magnitized.
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I don’t find it all that suprising. Just recently there was a article in Newsweek maybe, that had a 23 page editorial criticizing John Paul II’s papacy.
 
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bones_IV:
I don’t find it all that suprising. Just recently there was a article in Newsweek maybe, that had a 23 page editorial criticizing John Paul II’s papacy.
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Newsweek and Time both are good examples of the arrogance of the press.

I had to pick up a few staples today after Mass. At the checkout counter was a tabloid with a headline, “Three-Eyed Aliens are Amongst Us.”

And I thought to myself, "Yep. And I know just who they are."http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
 
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