More questions about gay marriage

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CaliLobo said:
It’s clear that the Church’s battle to fight legal recognition of same-sex marriages in the USA is completely lost forever.
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Agreed.
I believe the Church has no choice but to recalibrate the battle and instead fight for its own right to freedom of religion, that is, not being forced to marry gay couples and so on.
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I do not foresee this being a problem. Civil divorce has been around for a long time, and there are no laws forcing the Church to remarry divorced people. When the Church is acting as the Church it is generally allowed to go its own way. For example, it is legal not to hire women as priests, though normally sex-discrimination is not legal. You have little to worry about here I suspect. Some churches already marry same sex couples, and will continue to do so. Other churches do not and will also continue not to do so. The law will not intervene on internal Church matters.

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rossum said:
Agreed.

I do not foresee this being a problem. Civil divorce has been around for a long time, and there are no laws forcing the Church to remarry divorced people. When the Church is acting as the Church it is generally allowed to go its own way. For example, it is legal not to hire women as priests, though normally sex-discrimination is not legal. You have little to worry about here I suspect. Some churches already marry same sex couples, and will continue to do so. Other churches do not and will also continue not to do so. The law will not intervene on internal Church matters.

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rossum
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👍:thumbsup:Thanks Rossum, once more you nailed it!
 
InSearchofGrace said:
And once more a dissenting Catholic finds agreement with a non-Catholic on gay “marriage” at CAF!
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Isaac Newton was not Catholic; is that a reason to automatically disbelieve everything Isaac Newton said?

Do you have evidence that the Catholic Church in the USA has been forced to marry divorced people? If you do, then please present it here. If not, then you are merely making an ad hominem attack.

A non-Catholic can make true statements. Where is your evidence that what I said was untrue?

rossum
 
rossum said:
Isaac Newton was not Catholic; is that a reason to automatically disbelieve everything Isaac Newton said?

Do you have evidence that the Catholic Church in the USA has been forced to marry divorced people? If you do, then please present it here. If not, then you are merely making an ad hominem attack.

A non-Catholic can make true statements. Where is your evidence that what I said was untrue?

rossum
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Whoa, you are interested in truth? Have you discarded your axiom that there is no ultimate truth?

Tell us, do you spend a fraction of your keystrokes and time in a Muslim or Mormon site, asking or convincing its base membership that the social implications of civil “gay” marriage should be ignored by their faithful?

Admit it, you are simply driven to proselytize on this forum. I suppose you can paste your canned list again, your proof that marriage has always been outside the traditional one man one woman configuration.

Btw, I don’t disbelieve someone just because he is non-Catholic. C.S. Lewis was not Catholic, he joined the CoE, but he left this world with a lot of truths, with which I fully agree. Albert Einstein was an agnostic Jew, but I do not disbelieve his theory of relativity and his personal beliefs in life.
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Joe_5859 said:
Come on, Cali, you don’t really believe that traditional marriage proponents are going to toss up their hands and say, “Aw shucks, well I guess we tried. Time to move on to other things.” Do you? 😛

As the other Joe said, abortion has been legal for over 40 years and that is still very much a hot button topic. Those who advocate for moral truths are not going to simply stop even if the majority loses their heads over a topic.

As to whether it will be easier for people to enter the Church, I think this will depend far more on what comes out of the two synods on the family than on who wins the “culture wars” in the U.S. My hope is that the synod will be able to articulate the Catholic teaching (which, of course, will not change) in such a way that it makes more sense to people and draws them in to the Catholic faith.

Interpreting the court decision as God rebuking conservative Christians is downright silly. 😛 That’s really nothing more than a rhetorical ploy to claim that “God is on our side”. But that sort of contradicts 2000 years of the interpretation of Scripture and Tradition. I don’t think that God is communicating any brand new revelation to us today through our secular courts. If it affirmed what was already taught, that would be a different story. But since public revelation is closed, sorry, no dice on that one. 😉
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There’s a difference between the two issues, abortion and so called “gay marriage”. Both of those horses are out of the barn and are never going back. In my opinion the Supreme Court opinion allowing abortion on demand will never be reversed and so called “gay marriage” is here to stay. What pro-life people are trying to do is to close abortion mills and find alternatives for woman seeking abortions. We’re trying to save lives. As for so called “gay marriage” it will be the law of the land because in a few years it will be accepted in every state, the homosexual mafia will see to that. As there are fewer and fewer hold-outs they will call for boycotts of the hold-out states and pound them into submission. Look what happened to Arizona in 1991 when they were the last hold-out on the MLK holiday. It didn’t take long for them to change their minds. The Church will still teach that it is wrong, but no one will be talking about it, in my opinion.
 
I note that you have provided no evidence to show that I made any untrue statement.
InSearchofGrace said:
Whoa, you are interested in truth? Have you discarded your axiom that there is no ultimate truth?
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There are non-ultimate truths. I am perfectly happy to work with non-ultimate truths.

rossum
 
So gays aren’t trying to twist the bible regarding Gods laws against homosexuality?

When I say twist… I mean they are saying the bible was mistranslated regarding the passages against homosexuality.
 
I hadn’t heard that - but then again I’m not aware of any central source of “gay thoughts” on any topic.

I’m not sure if I’ve heard the the thought expressed by “gays” but I’ve heard these prohibitions equated with biblical prohibitions against eating shellfish, shaving ones beard, and whatnot.

Even if it’s prohibited in the bible, I have trouble accepting the idea that anyone is damned for shrimp cocktail.
 
BostonBarrister said:
I hadn’t heard that - but then again I’m not aware of any central source of “gay thoughts” on any topic.

I’m not sure if I’ve heard the the thought expressed by “gays” but I’ve heard these prohibitions equated with biblical prohibitions against eating shellfish, shaving ones beard, and whatnot.

Even if it’s prohibited in the bible, I have trouble accepting the idea that anyone is damned for shrimp cocktail.
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Maybe you should educate yourself regarding the gay agenda.

You don’t know the difference between a moral law and a dietary guideline?

No, nobody is damned for eating shrimp cocktail.
 
Catholic13 said:
Maybe you should educate yourself regarding the gay agenda.

You don’t know the difference between a moral law and a dietary guideline?

No, nobody is damned for eating shrimp cocktail.
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Forgive me, I didn’t receive a copy of the gay agenda–can you forward yours?

And, apparently my Bible is incomplete as it doesn’t indicate pronoun cements are merely “guidelines” and which are “law”. How have you been able to differentiate the two?
 
BostonBarrister said:
Forgive me, I didn’t receive a copy of the gay agenda–can you forward yours?

And, apparently my Bible is incomplete as it doesn’t indicate pronoun cements are merely “guidelines” and which are “law”. How have you been able to differentiate the two?
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The Mosaic Laws apply to Jews, Not Christians. We look forward to our shrimp cocktails on Fridays. 🙂
 
Forgive me, I didn’t receive a copy of the gay agenda–can you forward yours?

:rolleyes:

And, apparently my Bible is incomplete as it doesn’t indicate pronoun cements are merely “guidelines” and which are “law”. How have you been able to differentiate the two?

Educate yourself.
 
Catholic13 said:
Forgive me, I didn’t receive a copy of the gay agenda–can you forward yours?

:rolleyes:

And, apparently my Bible is incomplete as it doesn’t indicate pronoun cements are merely “guidelines” and which are “law”. How have you been able to differentiate the two?

Educate yourself.
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Clearly you are unable to answer the question - I assumed as much.
 
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