Mormon Religion

[Marie5890]

uhmnnn…

no.

About like a simple wooden Rosary is ‘stylsh jewelry,’ I suppose.

Bingo. LOL

(fortunately rosaries do come in all kinds of beads. Mine is handpainted Venician glass beads. Very pretty, Very feminine. )

 

[ParkerD]

I’m almost afraid to mention this, but I’m guessing the “underwear maker” is Mormon-owned?

Xavierlives,
FYI, the LDS not only have the capability and the organization to make garments, in Utah as well as in Paraguay and other places, but they also have canneries for canning the food that is used for welfare agencies of the church where the food is distributed (free) based on a review of needs by a local bishop or Relief Society leader. They grow much of that food that is canned. They produce wheat that is stored also. Visitors to Salt Lake City who are dignitaries often go to the production facilities to observe how those operations are done and to observe the Humanitarian center where blankets and emergency kits are stored and prepared for humanitarian emergencies. Being prepared, being productive, and using technological advances in those activities are emphasized.

 

[Marie5890]

Xavierlives,
FYI, the LDS not only have the capability and the organization to make garments, in Utah as well as in Paraguay and other places, but they also have canneries for canning the food that is used for welfare agencies of the church where the food is distributed (free) based on a review of needs by a local bishop or Relief Society leader. They grow much of that food that is canned. They produce wheat that is stored also. Visitors to Salt Lake City who are dignitaries often go to the production facilities to observe how those operations are done and to observe the Humanitarian center where blankets and emergency kits are stored and prepared for humanitarian emergencies. Being prepared, being productive, and using technological advances in those activities are emphasized.

UT= the “Beehive State” for a reason .

Mormons are very industrious people.

 

[dianaiad]

I’m almost afraid to mention this, but I’m guessing the “underwear maker” is Mormon-owned?

Well, yeah. Kinda like makers of the tillit katan are Jewish owned. It’s a fairly narrow niche market.

sheesh.

 

[dianaiad]

Wow! SO the church makes the underware?!? That’s amazing! The Gap makes mine.

TMI, Xavier.

 

[Stephen168]

No Catholic HAS to go to confession…

really?

but if he WANTS to take communion, he also WANTS to go to confession, because they go together;

really?

the confessional prepares one to be worthy/ready to take communion.

really?

 

[vickimonica]

“Interogated?”

In a Temple Recomend interview, I am asked if I am a full tithe payer. I say yes–and that’s the end of that. If I say “no,” the bishop might ask when I thought I could become a full tithe payer. I would answer with when, or simply 'not yet," and that would be the end of that. If you call that “interogation,” you haven’t been watching enough episodes of 'The Closer."

And no, we don’t have to wear strange underwear. Those of us who have gone to the Temple WANT to wear Temple garments, but we don’t think they are strange at all. In fact, they are a lot more comfortable, both summer and winter, than the typical bra/pantie/briefs/boxers choice.

PENQUINCHICKY - Diane answered the ? that you asked of me - so kind of her… Anyhoo- The “Interrogation” process by the bishop is a complete joke. Yes, they wear “garments” that are conveniently manufactured by a mormon company. ($$$$). - And as for the temple scene in BIG LOVE – LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS PROGRAM!!! - Yes, It is DEAD ON. There was actually some controversy in the mormon church last March when the episode was first shown on HBO, (cause no one but the “temple worthy” mormons are supposed to know what goes on in there, ya know…). All you have to do is google “mormon temple ceremony”, and about 100 sites appear. There is actually a site where a person while in the temple taped the ceremony, and posted it on the good ole’ www. Just Google it, you’ll find it. Also, An aurthur by the name of Martha Beck, Harvard grad., who left the church has written a few books on her experiences as a mormon. They are VERY informative. Got mine from Barnes&noble.com. Peace…

 

[RebeccaJ]

According to this, your statement is not quite correct. An excommunicated Catholic will remain a Christian, because his baptism is permanent and cannot be affected in any way–by his choice or by any other (which is ironic, given any objection to proxy babtism by Mormons…)–he most certainly does NOT remain Catholic. In fact, an excommunicated Catholic suffers the "loss of the sacraments, public services and prayers of the Church, ecclesiastical burial, jurisdiction, benefices, canonical rights, and social intercourse. " (from the New Advent website to which I have provided the link).

Catholic/Christian…same thing to us, you know?

In other words, an excommunicated Catholic cannot attend church

buzz incorrect conclusion. A excommunicated Catholic certainly can attend Mass. They cannot go up for communion, or participate in the liturgy in a ministerial manner (such a lector).

(an excommunicated Mormon is encouraged to do so), be buried in consecrated ground (an excommunicated Mormon may be buried in ground consecrated for burial), or have any dealings with the church at all. Until fairly recently, excommunicated Catholics were shunned in all things: good Catholics could not speak to, write to, or other wise communicate with them. They could not do business with them, or eat with them, or tender any mark of respect (like a curtsy, a salute or so much as a ‘thank you.’) UNLESS of course the faithful member is the spouse or child of the excommunicated one, or when it was against civil law to be rude.

sources please

In the meantime, while Catholics may pray for their excommunicated members, those excommunicated members had better not pray for them.

geez Diana, how much are you going to make up. Do you really believe anyone can police who you pray for???

If that means they are still Catholic–perhaps they’d be better off not being Catholic. When a Mormon is excommunicated, the members of the ward he or she is in are expected to keep in contact; to fellowship and encourage him to return: to treat him or her with kindness–as much as that excommunicated one will allow it, that is.

BIG WHATEVER.

Now I have met excommunicated members; they fall roughly into two types: the ones who were excommunicated for committing a grave sin, like adultery, and the ones who were excommunicated for apostasy/heresy. I’m not going to count, here, the ones who take it upon themselves to resign.

Whatever the reason for the excommunication, people seem to react either with humility or bitterness…and frankly, the bitter ones are the ones who do the shunning. As well, when a man (or woman) is excommunicated for committing adultery, and finds that his or her family isn’t happy about it, they sometimes blame the church for ‘shunning’ them–and never consider that their own betrayal has caused the rift. I mean, really…

There is a local orthodontist here who was in the stake presidency; we thought the world and all of him. However, he decided that his two dental assistants were better company than his wife, and he dumped her–and his kids–for their company. During the divorce, even though they had been married for 15 years and SHE had worked for ten of them putting him through college and dental/orthodontist school, he tried to take everything from her, and spent the next ten years refusing to pay alimony or child support. He was/is a real jerk.

He’s also rather prominent in the community, and is very fond of saying, in interviews, that the LDS church is shunning him.

Well, gee whiz–I wouldn’t want that man straightening the braces on MY 16 year old, and I don’t care what religion he is, or used to be! And Rebecca, if you want to call that character assassination, go right ahead. (shrug) But I have found that most Mormons who are excommunicated for such reasons follow that sort of path, UNLESS they accept it as it is meant–as the Catholics claim they mean excommunication to be for them–a road back. It’s a way for them to grow, take care of what they need to take care of, and come back clean, with a new, fresh start. THAT’S what excommunication is supposed to be.

blah blah blah

As for ‘character assassination,’ Rebecca, I see more of that from excommunicated members of all faiths toward their old religions than I ever see from the religions to the excommunicants.

I’m sure you believe this…perhaps you should read what Joseph Smith had to say about anyone he ever had excommunicated. Vilified, to this day.

Perhaps you should read your own teaching manuals, and list for us here how it is a person comes to a point where they are excommunicated from the mormon church.

 

[why_me]

LOL i love how you just pop in to make these statements about your “Catholic experiences”, all negative, of course.

I didn’t find my statement negative at all. It is just the situation that my parish is in. Not all parishes have affluent members helping out in fund drives. My parish is made up of many poor immigrants. So, it has problems getting a new roof. Now if your parish wishes to donate to my parish for a new roof and to pay for the refinished stain glass windows, please do.

 

[why_me]

In regards to tithing - you can certainly attend church if you don’t tithe 10% - However, in order to go into their temple, you need to be interviewed/interrogated by the bishop of your ward (church). If you admit to him that you are not tithing 10% - you are not “temple worthy”… I

I wouldn’t call it an interrogation at all. But of course, some bishops may seem to do this. But in general, it is an interview process where questions are asked and answered. Nothing more. And if answered correctly, the temple recommend is given.

 

[why_me]

An excommunicated mormon also receives very different treatment from mormon members. It all turns very negative on them, generally, character assassination tactics ensue.

This is not true at all. An excommunicated member is encouraged to do the things that is necessary to come back into full fellowship and character assassination is not one of them. Now some members are imperfect and it may happen. But the leaders of the lds church speak of love toward the members that have been excommunicated so that they can come back to the fold. Also, excommunicated members are still encouraged to come to church.

 

[why_me]

Wow that is scary … I’m sure God does not care if you gave money or not rather that you were a good person.

Many churches are requiring a tithe because they are beginning to take what god said about it quite seriously. Also, it is important that the church has the support of its members. The mormon churches have heating, airconditioning, no problems with remodeling etc because of the tithe.

 

[why_me]

“nothing but spin?”

tell me, what force is being used? Does a local Homeland Security agent put cameras in the bedrooms to make sure that Mormons are wearing the garments–and march them off in chains if they don’t?

Do you see black helicopters landing on lawns, with garment enforcers checking for 'Mormon smiles" on the backs of all the men? I mean, really…get a grip.

Nobody HAS to take their religion seriously. They WANT to do so, and if they WANT to, then they WANT to do that which goes with it. A Catholic who takes his religion seriously doesn’t HAVE to say the rosary or go to confession. He WANTS to. It’s part of that ‘taking the religion seriously’ thing.

You are absolutely right about this. I haven’t worn garments in years and no one really cares. Even when I was attending church often, I did not wear garments and at church picniks I would wear shorts where it could be seen that I wasn’t wearing garments and no one cared. It is a matter of choice.

 

[why_me]

really?
really?
really?

She is right. No catholic has to go to confession. It is not forced on a person. It is a matter of choice.

 

[vickimonica]

You are absolutely right about this. I haven’t worn garments in years and no one really cares. Even when I was attending church often, I did not wear garments and at church picniks I would wear shorts where it could be seen that I wasn’t wearing garments and no one cared. It is a matter of choice.

Are you visiting the temple??? Cause when the bishop interrogates you, you must answer that yes, you are wearing your garments, or you will not get that recommend…

 

[why_me]

Are you visiting the temple??? Cause when the bishop interrogates you, you must answer that yes, you are wearing your garments, or you will not get that recommend…

There is no interogation. The bishop interviews church members if they request a temple recommend.

 

[penguinchicky]

PENQUINCHICKY - Diane answered the ? that you asked of me - so kind of her… Anyhoo- The “Interrogation” process by the bishop is a complete joke. Yes, they wear “garments” that are conveniently manufactured by a mormon company. ($$$$). - And as for the temple scene in BIG LOVE – LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS PROGRAM!!! - Yes, It is DEAD ON. There was actually some controversy in the mormon church last March when the episode was first shown on HBO, (cause no one but the “temple worthy” mormons are supposed to know what goes on in there, ya know…). All you have to do is google “mormon temple ceremony”, and about 100 sites appear. There is actually a site where a person while in the temple taped the ceremony, and posted it on the good ole’ www. Just Google it, you’ll find it. Also, An aurthur by the name of Martha Beck, Harvard grad., who left the church has written a few books on her experiences as a mormon. They are VERY informative. Got mine from Barnes&noble.com. Peace…

Thank you vickimonica … I think they should make one about those scientologists next they are also really dodgy! Anyhow I will look up that book as I’ve read most of the books where the women escaped the FLDS but none about the mainstream one.

Yes to anyone else ready my comments I do understand Big Love is fiction and a TV show but they have obviously used research to make it as true as possible.

 

[aquabatix]

There is no interogation. The bishop interviews church members if they request a temple recommend.

But in that belief system, on needs to be “temple worthy” and carry out the temple ordinances to obtain the celestial kingdom. Wouldn’t you be risking your salvation by not striving to be at that level? Even hopes for the terestial or telestial kingdoms could be in risk. When one’s salvation is at risk, there isn’t much choice when the religion is taken seriously. And if it isn’t, what’s the point at all? Warm fuzzys?

 

[dianaiad]

really?
really?
really?

Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.

 

[dianaiad]

PENQUINCHICKY - Diane answered the ? that you asked of me - so kind of her… Anyhoo- The “Interrogation” process by the bishop is a complete joke. Yes, they wear “garments” that are conveniently manufactured by a mormon company. ($$$$). - And as for the temple scene in BIG LOVE – LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS PROGRAM!!! - Yes, It is DEAD ON. There was actually some controversy in the mormon church last March when the episode was first shown on HBO, (cause no one but the “temple worthy” mormons are supposed to know what goes on in there, ya know…). All you have to do is google “mormon temple ceremony”, and about 100 sites appear. There is actually a site where a person while in the temple taped the ceremony, and posted it on the good ole’ www. Just Google it, you’ll find it. Also, An aurthur by the name of Martha Beck, Harvard grad., who left the church has written a few books on her experiences as a mormon. They are VERY informative. Got mine from Barnes&noble.com. Peace…

Yes, Viki, that’s quite true. Let us leave alone what anyone’s opinion should be of someone who would record something that sacred to a people and broadcast it on the internet, when, as you point out, there are so many sites with the script available.

Please notice; the church isn’t suing any of those people, or threatening them. There’s a reason for that. It is…because the ceremony is sacred, not ‘secret.’ It is no sin for non-Mormons to google it and read it. We don’t attempt to stop it. We don’t give people grief who publish it. (shrug)

Oh, we do sue to protect our copywrite for the church handbook, (we want to keep control of what goes in it, y’see. How very…odd of us, that…) but that is for a very different reason.

We just won’t talk to you about it outside Temple walls, because it is sacred. To us it would be very much like a priest walking into a bar and telling funny stories about what some idiot told him in confessional that day.

(shrug) but you think what you want to, Viki. It’s rather like your criticism of the Temple Garments actually being made by (gasp) Mormons. C’mon, that’s a pretty stupid thing to criticise, all things considered. After all, who ELSE would want to make 'em? It’s not like there is a huge international market for 'em.

OK. “international” I’ll admit. But I don’t think that ‘huge’ applies.