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sources please?
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majick275
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I make no apologies for them either. catholics who participate in abortions are committing mortal sin. they have no excuse.
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majick275
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what coverup would that be?
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wademann
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The truth is if you are a fetus in the womb, you would have a better chance of being born if you had LDS affiliated parents, as opposed to catholic affiliated parents.
If you want to start making exceptions for your membership, then I would put the temple recomend carrying LDS against any other group in the world, of course no way to prove that, but with your background, I can’t see how you could argue against it.
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wademann
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I don’t know, why don’t you make a list and I’ll tell you if it is on it?
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majick275
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if you want to compare temple recommend holding mormons to faithful catholics then I am in. One can be temple worthy and use ABC and in some rare cases obtain an abortion. faithful catholics may not resort to either.
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majick275
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you were the one making the assertion so i think it’s up to you to define it.
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majick275
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you really want to go there? The catholic church is quite open about clerical abuse and has active campaigns to protect against it now. LDS have equivalent levels per capita of clergy sex abuse and what are they doing about it? we cold talk about JS well documented cases and how about the firings of BYU professors who dare to reveal it. still in?
search.live.com/results.aspx?q=mormon+church+cover+up+child+abuse+by+clergy&go=&form=QBRE
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RebeccaJ
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For what? That mormon women use birth control, or that hormone birth control medications are abortifacient?
If it is a female biology course you need, this article from the National Institute of Health covers the basics pretty well.
The short of it is, a fertilized egg is prevented from implanting by purposeful interference, ie, the use of artificial birth control methods that contain the hormones estrogen and progesterone.
Again, Catholics who are adhering to their faith do not use artificial birth control. Mormons who adhere to their faith have no such prohibition, at all. Therefore, a fertilized egg has a better chance of survival in a practicing Catholic than it does in a practicing mormon.
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zerinus
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Examining the individual cases will reveal that there is no comparison between the two.
You asked the question, and I gave you the answer. Don’t like the answers? Don’t ask the questions.
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wademann
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Catholics have strict doctrine against the use of birth control. The majority of catholic women I know use some sort of ABC. Many of which are abortificants, and those abortions go uncounted in the statistics(not possible to count, of course)
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majick275
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so microsoft search engine now determines truth?
My examination of the individual cases is that the LDS church has a long history of coverups on many issues. they also do not have an campaign to protect against clergy abuse. so yes there is a comparison, they just aren’t equal.
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majick275
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so we are back to looking at those who willfully disobey binding doctrine?
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majick275
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great then tell us what program(s) the LDS church has implemented to prevent clergy abuse.
then we can go into the firings of LDS historians and BYU professors, hoffman debacle and rewrites of church history manuals.
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That’s an interesting question. Don’t blast me, I’m just offering an honest opinion in response.
Mormons, it seems, have a very strong social support system that ensures to an extent that rules are followed. There is a helping hand everywhere you turn and also a watchful eye.
Mormonism is a relatively new religion. It seems the newer the religion, the more strictly most of its adherents follow the doctrine. Mormonism also (like The Watchtower) aggressively seeks converts. Converts tend to be zealous, as they have actively chosen a religion rather than simply having been born into the zillionth generation of a faith.
Mormonism is much less demanding than Catholicism. We humans tend to require less of ourselves than God does. When we make our own religions, (I believe Mormonism is man-made) we make them easier to follow, often changing doctrinal requirements to suit both our selfish internal desires and our external environment. Contraception and abortion are good examples of this change. Catholicism has always taught that both offend God but I wonder, did early Mormons allow abortion when it was illegal? Did Mormons allow contraception before the 1930s?
Authentic Catholic teaching is hard to follow and many walk away (even when they still choose to occupy a pew). Mormon teaching conforms a bit more to the world and requires less counter-cultural effort. In short, it’s easier to be Mormon.
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Good_Daughter
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You quoted me but I wasn’t making any claims. Catholics who have abortions, sadly, throw themselves out.
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xmormon
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Wake up I think you missed the point after all that. Catholics who have abortions BREAK CHURCH LAW!!! Mormons who have legal abortions do not Break Mormon law. Religion is not one of the questions asked by the Bureau of vital statistics (the ones who actually keep the real records) You can quote Mormon sites all day and never come up with the truth, and you can quote other anti-Catholic surveys etc and still never come up with the truth. The point is you would judge Jesus by Judas saying Jesus must be bad because Judas broke God’s law. Mormons will face God with the blood of millions crying against them because you consent to their deaths by upholding your leaders and your official doctrine…Per capita Mormons have less abortions. If I was a fetus I would have a better chance of becoming a baby in a LDS womb. LDS way works better.
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zerinus
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I think you have got that wrong. I will tell you the real reason for it. There are in fact several reasons; but there is one that is most important. When Joseph Smith was asked how he was able to govern such a large and diverse group of people as the Latter-day Saints, he famously replied: “I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves”. Herein lies the secret of success of Mormonism. Because its leaders are true prophets and Apostles, they have the inspiration of the heaven to guide them in what they teach the people, and so they are able to teach them “correct principles”. The people in turn are able to recognize that they are being taught correctly, and will follow it. People have an innate ability, a sixth sense if you like, that enables them to recognize a correct principle when they hear or see it, and as a general rule will follow it. But if the message that comes from their leaders is erroneous, or is a mixture of truth and error, they instinctively perceive that, and reject the teaching, and source of authority from whence it came. The unfortunate side effect of that is that once they lose confidence in their leaders’ ability to teach them correct principles, then they will not follow them even when they occasionally do; and that is the situation in which the Catholic Church is. I will give you an example. Every intelligent person on earth (apart from Catholic fanatics like yourself), regardless of their religious beliefs, knows instinctively that the life of the mother is of greater value than the life of the fetus. He would rather sacrifice the life of the fetus to save the mother than do the opposite. When you go and tell them that they must hang the mother no matter what, they realize that that is wrong, and will not follow it. And once they lose confidence in your ability to guide them in the right way, then they will not follow you at all, even when you do occasionally teach them correct principles. That is the real explanation as to why so many Catholics have lost confidence in their leaders, and will no longer follow them.
You would have to know nothing about Mormonism to say that. Mormonism is infinitely more demanding than Catholicism. You not only have to abstain from many socially accepted practices such as tea, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco, and also live a morally exemplary life; you also have to give at least 10% of your income to the Church; and in addition to that contribute considerable amount of your time and talent to your callings in the Church, which can be quite demanding at times. The Catholic Church is a spectator church. You go to church once a week on Sunday to watch a bad movie and then come home, and forget about the church for the rest of the week. The LDS Church has no professional clergy. It is run by its members, at their own expense. Not so in the Catholic Church.
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