Mormons become God's after death....

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Tertullian

“We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . This rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the gospel, before even the earlier heretics” (Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).

“And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (ibid.).

“Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (ibid., 9).

“Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are one’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number” (ibid., 25).
 
Pope Dionysius

“Next, then, I may properly turn to those who divide and cut apart and destroy the most sacred proclamation of the Church of God, making of it [the Trinity], as it were, three powers, distinct substances, and three godheads. . . . [Some heretics] proclaim that there are in some way three gods, when they divide the sacred unity into three substances foreign to each other and completely separate” (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1 [A.D. 262]).

“Therefore, the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is b.asphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd” (ibid., 1–2).

“Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine unity. . . . Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son; and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. ‘For,’ he says, ‘The Father and I are one,’ and ‘I am in the Father, and the Father in me’” (ibid., 3).
 
That’s correct. They use the protestant bible, that is, they do not have the seven books; Tobit, Judith, Maccabees1 & 2, Book of Wisdoms, Ecclasiasticus / Ben Sira and Baruch.

This is also true, they have strayed very, very, very far from original Christianity.

Amen, since catholicism was and still is the Origianl Christian Church and Doctrine.
The Jews had the true gospel and then Jesus came and changed everything. The Jews were pretty upset with Jesus and said he was teaching “new” doctrine. They called Him a zealot and said he worked by the power of the devil. Jesus strayed very, very far from original Judeism.

Why? Jesus gave a parable explaining this in Luke 5:
“36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.”

Jesus was teaching that he came not to bring about a “reformation” of Judeism, but a complete “restoration” of the true and everlasting gospel.
 
Nancy Dalrymple,
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not three powers, but one united power. Your pope Dionysius quoted by you has not described a unified Three Person Divinity in either side of what he described, so he hasn’t described LDS belief at all. As to what Catholics believe, all of those quotes still leave me with confusion about your beliefs–Three Persons, or One God/ One Person? (Simple difference)

Your description of missionaries does not match LDS situations at all. They serve beginning at age nineteen, and never in one area for more than six months.

Your description of your granddaughter’s relationship to you also was not typical of LDS beliefs about familial relationships, nor was your description of her paying “tithing”. If all you wrote is how she really does things, then she must belong to a different church than LDS or not understand the teachings herself. Perhaps you have misunderstood her, but that is not unusual when someone has strong biases already formed in their mind.
 
Mormon are NOT Christian they do not believe in the trinityThey do not have a baptism right baptist they do not bless in the name of the Father,the name of the Son and the name of the Holy ghost and they have a baptism for the DEAD and many other thing that are not Christian
Bill, you are completely correct.

It’s important to know that mormons do NOT follow BASIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
That’s the key aspect as to why mormons are NOT Christian.

But I, and my Astronomy Club would love to know where “Kolob” is. We would also love to know why Joe Smith took out a liquor license for the alcohol in his home (he had a Bar in his his own home) and why that jackazz Joe somehow told others that they couldn’t drink a beer now and again. Truth is 'ol Joe was a major Jackazz and didn’t respect anything except the non-almighty dollar and was shot escaping from jail in a gun fight.

I’ve been to gorgeous Salt Lake City about 8 times. Even helped-out on the TV show “Touched by an Angel” (filmed there). But that’s the Christian side of me, and of that show.

Went up to the SLC mormon “temple” and it was closed the 4 times I tried to look in.

Cults are CLOSED because they want the MONEY and don’t want anyone knowin’ their bizarre business.

**Too bad Joe’s Myth didn’t simply have a new recipe for Beer. His Brewery may have been a success.

Instead…he went for religion …1,820 Years after God (Jesus) had already founded the Catholic Church. **

And the missionary misleaders? yeah…the LDS dudes in white shirts…they’re also in different Countries. If you needed a meal or a School and the LDS happened to say “Hey, believe in this kook Joe and we’ll build you a…” Of course they’ll say yes.
They don’t know LDS from LSD, but the sound of a new School sounds good. They’ll be the LAST people who will believe in anything from Joe. (Cinderella and the Tooth Fairy are more believable). Anyone with any brains realizes that mormon - book of MO or anything Joe said cannot be archaeologically or anthropologically proven in the slightest; Nada; Zilch.

Fortunately, Christian Missionaries have been around the World since forever - doing all kinds of GREAT work.

The World already knows that mormons are NOT Christian; and others will need to be educated to that fact.

Guffffaw!

Us mere mortals make lots of BAD decisions.

Joe made a monumental one. Bummer for him.
 
HI, JIm sent this to me in June of this year I hope it will be of help to those who seek answers about the Mormon faith:

Dear Friends of Through the Maze,

If for some reason you didn’t see my latest newsletter entitled "Come to

Jesus…Now!" you can do so at:

beyondmormonism.com/comeNow/comenowpage1.htm

Here are a few other things on the web you might find interesting:
  1. Mormon Temple tour. " It is amazing that the Great Temple of
    Mormonism, the Salt Lake Temple, is festooned with every manner of
    occult and pagan symbol yet it bears no Christian symbols at all. There
    is no cross, no crown, no alpha or omega, no icthys, no lion, no lamb,
    nor any other recognizable historical Christian symbol. And yet, we
    find assorted astrological, occult, and even Satanic emblems."
Please do your research before speading things that are untrue.

If you’ll do some research, you’ll find that the inverted 5 pointed star has Christian origins. It was called the “the Star of the Morning” (Rev 22:16) being a symbol of Jesus Christ. There are numerous uses of this inverted star throughout both Christian and Jewish history. It wasn’t until 1856 that this symbol began to have satanic origins. It was Roman Catholic Priest Eliphas Levi who first turned the previously harmless Jewish and Christian pentagram into a ridiculous Satanic symbol, because of it’s similarity to a goats head. Roman Catholic Priest Eliphas Levi turned to these occult practises and wrote a book on it. It is yet another attempt of the adversary to twist that which is holy into something evil.

templestudy.com/2008/02/04/the-ancient-pentagram-a-christian-symbol/

en.fairmormon.org/Symbols_on_the_Nauvoo_Temple

fairlds.org/apol/ai131.html
 
Well, looks like I was banned, so here’s what I think before I get banned again :o 😃

These are the ones that I know are fully true or semi-true:

-“God (the Father) was once a man like us”. As ParkerD already explained, this does not necessarily mean that the Father was not divine when He was a man, just like how Jesus did not stop being divine when He incarnated. However, yes, it is taught that the Father is an exalted man, and that He could have lived on another earth prior to being our God.

-“God (the Father) has a tangible body of flesh and bones”. Yes, this is a standard belief.

-“God lives on a planet near the star Kolob”. Yes.

-“God (“Heavenly Father”) has at least one wife, our “Mother in Heaven,” but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.”. Yes, this is standard Mormon belief, that the Heavenly Father has a wife, Heavenly Mother. The rest is speculation, some say that we don’t know anything about her because the Father doesn’t want her name to be blasphemed, and other speculations. Mormons do not pray to her.

-"We can become like God and rule over our own universe. ". Mormons believe in exaltation, that you can become gods. I’ve seen at least one Mormon church manual that teaches that you will be given worlds. Mormons believe that you will become like Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, and will also have “eternal increase”, meaning, you will make spirit children as the Father did.

-"Jesus and Satan (“Lucifer”) are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father ". Yes, we are all the spirit children of the Father, including Jesus Christ, the firstborn spirit child, and Satan (as well as all the demons). In Catholicism, we believe that the angels are a different order of beings than humans. In the LDS Church, angels are spirit children that either haven’t come to earth yet, resurrected personages, or humans that finished their life on earth and have some work to do before the resurrection. So, we are all the spirit children of God.

-“We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him.”. Well, I’m sure that Mormons “try to feel a personal relationship” with Jesus. They don’t pray to Him however, and only pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.

-"The “Lord” (“Jehovah”) in the Old Testament is the being named Jesus in the New Testament, but different from “God the Father” (“Elohim”)." Yes, Mormons believe that Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament.

-“In the highest degree of the celestial kingdom some men will have more than one wife.” Certain leaders of the LDS church may have said statements as such, however today that isn’t the case. Interestingly, a man can be eternally married to one wife, and if she dies, he is allowed to be eternally sealed to another wife (without a sealing cancelation). A woman however cannot be eternally married to more than one man, whether or not the first one died. Of course, today a man cannot be sealed to more than one living wife.

-“Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a “pre-existence”, during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.”. Yes, Mormons believe in something called the “pre-existence” or “pre-mortal existence”. Many believe that our position in this life, as well as our talents, are based on what happened in the pre-existence.

-“Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.”-Dark skin isn’t the curse, but is the sign of the curse.

-“You can identify a false angel by the color of his hair, or by offering to shake his hand.”-I don’t know about the color of the hair part, but yes, Joseph Smith did receive a revelation on the handshake part. It is currently in the Doctrine and Covenants scripture:
scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/129

" 4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—
7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to bdeceive; but he will still deliver his message.
8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.
9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.
"
Thank you for the clarification. (I also noticed that some Mormons here agreed with your list and explanations.) I’m still a little flabbergasted that these are things that people actually believe (no offense intended to anyone 🙂 ), but I appreciate knowing what the actual beliefs are. I honestly had no idea that Mormon beliefs were so “out there”, so to speak. I always just took them to be sort of like another branch of Protestantism - but apparently that’s not the case. 😊 Anyhow, thanks for the learning experience.
 
Thank you for the clarification. (I also noticed that some Mormons here agreed with your list and explanations.) I’m still a little flabbergasted that these are things that people actually believe (no offense intended to anyone 🙂 ), but I appreciate knowing what the actual beliefs are. I honestly had no idea that Mormon beliefs were so “out there”, so to speak. I always just took them to be sort of like another branch of Protestantism - but apparently that’s not the case. 😊 Anyhow, thanks for the learning experience.
No problem, and I hope any Mormons will correct anything that I may have gotten wrong, though I believe everything I stated was accurate. Mormonism isn’t Protestantism really. It’s in the same category as Jehovah’s Witnesses and other churches, called “Restorationist” churches.
 
No problem, and I hope any Mormons will correct anything that I may have gotten wrong, though I believe everything I stated was accurate. Mormonism isn’t Protestantism really. It’s in the same category as Jehovah’s Witnesses and other churches, called “Restorationist” churches.
**Quite Incorrect.

Jeeeehovah’s and mormons are a CULT.

They do not follow Christian Doctrine.
They also believe in supporting “material” to be authoritive - such as mormons believe in Joe’s “book of mormon” and “the pearl of great price” (LOL) and Jeehovahs believe in the “watchtower”. Both wasted text.

The BIBLE is all they need, but hey…Cults disagree. Oh boy. :rolleyes:

Let’s get real people.

That’s all they are.

Please realize this fact. **
Thanks.
 
Nancy Dalrymple,
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not three powers, but one united power. Your pope Dionysius quoted by you has not described a unified Three Person Divinity in either side of what he described, so he hasn’t described LDS belief at all. As to what Catholics believe, all of those quotes still leave me with confusion about your beliefs–Three Persons, or One God/ One Person? (Simple difference)
The belief is that there are Three separate, distinct Persons (all eternally existing) that together make one God. Similar to Mormons, when we say “God”, we can either be referring to the Father, or the Trinity (or in the LDS case, the Godhead) as a whole.
 
Bill, you are completely correct.

It’s important to know that mormons do NOT follow BASIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
That’s the key aspect as to why mormons are NOT Christian.

But I, and my Astronomy Club would love to know where “Kolob” is. We would also love to know why Joe Smith took out a liquor license for the alcohol in his home (he had a Bar in his his own home) and why that jackazz Joe somehow told others that they couldn’t drink a beer now and again. Truth is 'ol Joe was a major Jackazz and didn’t respect anything except the non-almighty dollar and was shot escaping from jail in a gun fight.

I’ve been to gorgeous Salt Lake City about 8 times. Even helped-out on the TV show “Touched by an Angel” (filmed there). But that’s the Christian side of me, and of that show.

Went up to the SLC mormon “temple” and it was closed the 4 times I tried to look in.

Cults are CLOSED because they want the MONEY and don’t want anyone knowin’ their bizarre business.

**Too bad Joe’s Myth didn’t simply have a new recipe for Beer. His Brewery may have been a success.

Instead…he went for religion …1,820 Years after God (Jesus) had already founded the Catholic Church. **

And the missionary misleaders? yeah…the LDS dudes in white shirts…they’re also in different Countries. If you needed a meal or a School and the LDS happened to say “Hey, believe in this kook Joe and we’ll build you a…” Of course they’ll say yes.
They don’t know LDS from LSD, but the sound of a new School sounds good. They’ll be the LAST people who will believe in anything from Joe. (Cinderella and the Tooth Fairy are more believable). Anyone with any brains realizes that mormon - book of MO or anything Joe said cannot be archaeologically or anthropologically proven in the slightest; Nada; Zilch.

Fortunately, Christian Missionaries have been around the World since forever - doing all kinds of GREAT work.

The World already knows that mormons are NOT Christian; and others will need to be educated to that fact.

Guffffaw!

Us mere mortals make lots of BAD decisions.

Joe made a monumental one. Bummer for him.
If you lived during the time Jesus was on the earth would you think he was a lunatic also? How about if you lived during Noah’s time? Would he have been a quack? How about Moses? Would you have had faith then? Or would you join in with the world in spreading lies about all these good and honest men of God. Jesus was called a devil, a zelot and every name in the book. Contrary to what you understand, Joseph Smith was NEVER a rich man. He gave everything away. He could have escaped west and left the saints when wicked mobs were hunting his life. Joseph went back willingly and even predicted that he was “going as a lamb to the slaughter”. He was tarred and feathered – this tar contains acid that burns your skin. The mobs tried to poison Joseph by shoving a metal spoon of poison into his mouth – Joseph clenched his teeth and they broke his tooth. Joseph then threw up so hard his jaw was dislocated. Mobs pulled him out of bed in the middle of the night hitting him with their guns. They stole all the blankets and Joseph’s baby died because of this.

Congratulations, you are fulfilling the prophecy the angel Moroni gave to Joseph as a boy saying his name would be known for good and for evil among ALL nations, kindreds, tongues and people. A 14 year old farm boy in New York in 1820? Now hundreds of years later, you are fulfilling the prophecy.

There was Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and then there was Joseph. He is a true prophet of God and stands at the head of this last dispensation. He is an honest man who loved his family and loved the Lord. He gave everything he had, even his life. He is the prophet of Jesus Christ.
 
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1 I. THE DOGMA OF THE TRINITY.2 II. PROOF OF DOCTRINE FROM SCRIPTURE. 2.1 A. New Testament.2.2 B. Old Testament.3 III. PROOF OF THE DOCTRINE FROM TRADITION.4 IV. THE TRINITY AS A MYSTERY.5 V. THE DOCTRINE AS INTERPRETED IN GREEK THEOLOGY. 5.1 A. Nature and Personality.5.2 B. The Divine Unity.5.3 C. Mediate and Immediate Procession.5.4 D. The Son.5.5 E. The Holy Spirit.6 VI. THE DOCTRINE AS INTERPRETED IN LATIN THEOLOGY. 6.1 A. The Son.6.2 B. The Holy Spirit.6.3 C. The Divine Relations.6.4 D. Divine Mission.
I. THE DOGMA OF THE TRINITY.
—The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion—the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.” In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches is the revelation regarding God’s nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of “the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom” (“Ad. Autol.”, II, 15, P.G., VI, 1078). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (“De pud.”, c. xxi, P.G., II, 1026). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen (“In Ps. xvii”, 15, P.G., XII, 1229 etc., etc.). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen’s pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his "ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes: “There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there aught that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever” (P.G., X, 986).

It is manifest that a dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation. When the fact of revelation, understood in its full sense as the speech of God to man, is no longer admitted, the rejection of the doctrine follows as a necessary consequence. For this reason it has no place in the Liberal Protestantism of today. The writers of this school contend that the doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but that it was first formulated in the second century and received final approbation in the fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies (cf. e.g., Harnack, “Hist. of Dogma”, tr., IV, i, appendix; Idem, “Constitution and Law of the Church”, tr. 1910, appendix; J. Reville, “Divinity of Christ”, c. vi; Menegoz, “Etude sur le dogme de la Trinity”, Paris, 1898). In view of this assertion it is necessary to consider in some detail the evidence afforded by Holy Scripture. Attempts have been made recently to apply the more extreme theories of comparative religion to the doctrine of the Trinity, and to account for it by an imaginary law of nature compelling men to group the objects of their worship in threes(cf. Soderblom, “Vater, Sohn and Geist”, Tubingen, 1909). It seems needless to give more than a reference to these extravagant views, which serious thinkers of every school reject as destitute of foundation.

II. PROOF OF DOCTRINE FROM SCRIPTURE.
 
Dianaiad, This one’s for You!🙂
[edit] Plural marriage
…and you got this, where, precisely?

Nancy, you are interesting. I have not denied the polygamy. In fact, I have been rather proudly outspoken about the fact that I am the great grandchild of polygamists.

Joseph’s youngest two wives were Helen Mar Kimball, who was not quite fifteen, and ,Nancy Winchester, whose age at her marriage to Joseph isn’t known (since her wedding date isn’t known. All we know is that she was married “sometime before Joseph’s death in 1844” (well, duh…) and that she was fourteen or fifteen. From what I have read, it’s closer to fifteen or sixteen, but that doesn’t matter.

The point, Nancy, is that there were no children involved. None of the girls were prepubescent children. All of them had reached puberty–and the age of consent at that time, in that area (indeed, throughout the US, mostly) was 12 years.

Nancy, you may not like that Joseph was a polygamist. (shrug) Your priviledge, and I certainly don’t deny that he was.

You may NOT use the lens of today to observe the actions of yesterday, though. If it was legal for women to marry at the age of twelve (and it was) and people DID marry at that age (and they did) without you going after them for being pedophiles, then while you might not like that Joseph had more than one wife, you cannot charge him with molesting children.

Here’s the deal, Nancy: you object to what we believe? Fine. First, figure out what that is. You object to our history? Also fine. Present it as it actually was, not as you would like it to be.

When you manage to do that, we can talk.

Or not, as you wish.
 
Dianaiad, you did agree with him right? His list? At the bottom of his list it say’s dark colored skin, you are in a place where most people are dark colored skin,How can you live there?
I not only live in a place where most people have ‘dark colored skin,’ Nancy, I married one and gave birth to five more. I manage to 'live with them" just fine, thank you very much. I think you need to catch up, dear…it’s been over thirty years since the priesthood was extended to everybody. Why, we have black Bishops and Stake presidents and General Authorities, even.

In fact…it took us a LOT less time to have a black priesthood holder in America than it did you guys, and Catholics didn’t have any doctrinal excuses (at least, that’s what everybody keeps telling me, that Catholicism insists that everybody is equal). They were just bigots…
Catholic’s don’t care what color you are and if you wear a suit all the time.
Really? then perhaps you can tell me why it took the Catholics nearly four hundred years to have a black priest in America, and why Catholic religious orders actually owned slaves, and why, even though it was supposed to be an excommunicable offense to own slaves, Southern slave owners were not only NOT excommunicated, they weren’t even denied communion?
I like to wear makeup also, now and then and i never hear anyone say anything about that. I love jewlery also and fancy dresses, not down to my feet, and not above my knees.
Ok, that pretty much settles that one. You don’t know spiddle dink about Mormons, do you? 😉

I read the above and started laughing so hard I 'bout fell out of my computer chair, and ruined my mascara…
I have been in your churches and have gone to the womans class to see what it was like I even went to a baptismal and i was never so insulted one night when some old man said"They just don’t know, those from outside the church, they are all going to hell all those who don’t join our church" I saw my dad who is Cathoilc, I saw my friends who are Methodist, and Baptist, I saw myself, who was confussed and uncertain where i belonged, i went right out and left my book I just walked out and never came back.
Oh, my goodness, Nancy. That’s too bad. I’ll have to remember how hurt you were the next time someone tells me that I’m going to hell because I’m a Mormon, and how I’m not a Christian. Poor thing…
I cried all the way home, the tears never stopped not even when i got home. Then i got on the web last year, I forced myself to learn this machine and i searched with all my heart, and came accross this site, i didn’t know what a forum was, so i entered in, i used my name because i didn’t know differnt, and i have kept it all the while ive been here. I looked at a thread because i didn’t know what to do or how to run the machine, and i ended up on a thread where i never laughed so much in my life. Well i saw a button to reply and i thought it was play acting and i told this person i never laughed so much in my life and boy didn’t i hear it. I thought this person was a man and i began wondering why he would ever take me wrong?? I still have problems with putting my point accross because we do all talk differnt. that person hopped all over me, and so did 6-7 more and i fought back, somehow i stuck it out and i am glad i did. Catholic’s are differnt they defend their beliefs and if you come here to just knock theirs you will find alot of defence. I was not in the church at that time until i finally made friends with the person i thought i would never be friends with ever! I love her now BEN! my best friend! i think the world of her. If you are searching for real friends they are here and they care about you, i do, even if i tell you how i think I am telling you from what i have learned and what effect it had on me going to your church etc. I still have my Mormon friends and i love them and my granddaughter is Mormon also, and i love her but she wont speak to me until i gt baptized Mormon. Not even in another life! So there you have it, I wont lie to you, there is no reason to. Love of Christ Nancy
No, Nancy, I don’t think you are lying. That’s the sad part.
 
If you lived during the time Jesus was on the earth


See what I mean Christian folk?

mormons do not have any sense of history. I don’t blame them. Their fake prophet (and all their phoney fake prophets that followed) created and pushed their bologney 1,820 years after Jesus had founded his Church

They like to avoid that FACT. :confused:

The mormons are just another Cult who Jesus (God) warned us about…“BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS”.

Joe Smith was a Major Putz.

I hate to even waste text typing his name.

Poor guy; poor LDS.

God Bless 'em.
 
I not only live in a place where most people have ‘dark colored skin,’ Nancy, I married one and gave birth to five more. I manage to 'live with them" just fine, thank you very much. I think you need to catch up, dear…it’s been over thirty years since the priesthood was extended to everybody. Why, we have black Bishops and Stake presidents and General Authorities, even.

In fact…it took us a LOT less time to have a black priesthood holder in America than it did you guys, and Catholics didn’t have any doctrinal excuses (at least, that’s what everybody keeps telling me, that Catholicism insists that everybody is equal). They were just bigots…

Really? then perhaps you can tell me why it took the Catholics nearly four hundred years to have a black priest in America, and why Catholic religious orders actually owned slaves, and why, even though it was supposed to be an excommunicable offense to own slaves, Southern slave owners were not only NOT excommunicated, they weren’t even denied communion?

Ok, that pretty much settles that one. You don’t know spiddle dink about Mormons, do you? 😉

I read the above and started laughing so hard I 'bout fell out of my computer chair, and ruined my mascara…

Oh, my goodness, Nancy. That’s too bad. I’ll have to remember how hurt you were the next time someone tells me that I’m going to hell because I’m a Mormon, and how I’m not a Christian. Poor thing…

No, Nancy, I don’t think you are lying. That’s the sad part.
One of the sadest things is when people are sarcastic to people who are telling the truth to them, who turn on a dead ear all i can say is someday we will all meet out meker amd we will know alot that we didn;'t know before. I have to go to bed Good Night all you wonderful people You are Loved! Nancy
 
The belief is that there are Three separate, distinct Persons (all eternally existing) that together make one God. Similar to Mormons, when we say “God”, we can either be referring to the Father, or the Trinity (or in the LDS case, the Godhead) as a whole.
Some say the main arguement leading to the Nicene Creed was between the Greek words “homoousios” (same substance) and “homoiousios” (similar substance). The difference is the Greek letter “i” or “iota”. The arguement was over one iota.

Arius and Athanasius were opponents competing to promote their views. Arius believed the Father, Son and Holy Ghost were of “similar substance” while Athanasius believed they were of the “same substance”. The church was split on this doctrine and many prominent people including Constantius II and Valens were Arians.

How could the very nature of God be in question around 325 AD? This seems like an essential basic doctrine that every Christian should know the answer to. Some try to minimize this, but this was a big debate. Enough so that Emporer Constantine was concerned it would split the church or divide Rome.

If this were to happen during the days of Christ, the apostles would have put an immediate end to it by receiving revelation directly from God. Who was leading the church in 325 AD? Where were the apostles and prophets? All that was left was the role of bishop passed down through the centuries.

Constantine put an end to the debate when he gathered all the bishops to the Council of Nicea and created the Nicene Creed. Arius and his followers were exiled and books were burned. It was settled that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost were of the “same substance”.

Centuries later, bishops were STILL not satisfied with this new doctrine voted on through pressure of the Roman Emporer. The doctrine was then amended to satisfy all by saying God was BOTH three AND one. This completely confuses everything. It is impossible to have faith in a God you cannot understand. This is the Athanasian Creed that most Catholics and Protestants follow today. Yes, the Protestants who wanted to reform the Catholic Church because they felt it was corrupted continued it’s basic doctrines. Was this new revelation? I thought revelation had ended?

I contend that there are three Gods – the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I believe this true doctrine was changed by those in power.

John 14:28 “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”

Matt 3:16-17 “16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Jesus did not see himself descending, nor did he talk to himself.

John 17:11 “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.”

Here Jesus is giving the intercessory prayer the night before his death. He is praying to his Father asking that his disciples may be ONE the same way he and his Father are ONE. The disciples cannot merge together into ONE substance. To be one means to be unified in purpose and in harmony. I don’t know of any scripture that can be more clear.
 
…He gave everything he had, even his life. He is the prophet of Jesus Christ.
Chris, Joe Smith was not a “prophet”. Not even close. He was a known con-man; a sheister, a really bad snakeoil type of weirdo who took money from people with his bogus “seer stone” .

Joe plaugurized the “kook of mormon” to create a bogus book badly lifted in SO MANY parts from the Bible; and Joe and his “Egyptian” translations were a travesty of horridly bad guesses. The kook of mormon book has been changed over 4,000 times. Guess Joe made a few mistakes. :confused:

Joe Smith and Bring’em Young were just after money and other dude’s wives.
They had NO unique knowledge of religion, whatsoever.

You’re wasting your TIME, dude.

**This is the place of TRUTH. Best of luck. **
 
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