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Let us go along with one of your passages…
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4 KJV)
OR
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4 NAS95)
Let us go over here…John 15
"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. (John 15:2 NAS95)
There is an outward association that you have not grasped yet…an association that is not at all in line with – being a sheep, being in Christ, being accepted in the beloved…BORN AGAIN…a child of God…one of the adotped…dead to the law…
I always like to show you that you fail in your interpretation when you use these passages…
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 NAS95)
We see them in line with…
"Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. "The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity. "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. (Luke 8:11-15 NAS95)
And with John 15:2…those who bear no fruit…CAN THAT FAITH SAVE THEM??
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?** Can that faith save him?** (James 2:14 NAS95)
Do you wish to call the faith that James evaluates JUSTIFIYING FAITH?
He says it is dead…demonic, useless, fruitless…CAN THAT FAITH SAVE HIM? You say it is enough to justify him but then they are plucked out of Christ…if he is not justified how can he be IN CHRIST. It is mere outward association.
But if we continue in Hebrews 6…
For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; **but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. **(Hebrews 6:7-8 NAS95)
Sound like James 2? Dead faith…counterfeit faith…
But – he continues…
But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. (Hebrews 6:9 NAS95)
Read the context! Before and after.
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:26-29 NAS95)
I have already told you!
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6 NAS95)
Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; ***the one who does evil has not seen God. ***(3 John 1:11 NAS95)
Who is John speaking of here??? Non-elect never-saved people who were tares and bad fish that got caught in the dragnet…
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:47-50 NAS95)
cont’d
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4 KJV)
OR
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4 NAS95)
Let us go over here…John 15
"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. (John 15:2 NAS95)
There is an outward association that you have not grasped yet…an association that is not at all in line with – being a sheep, being in Christ, being accepted in the beloved…BORN AGAIN…a child of God…one of the adotped…dead to the law…
I always like to show you that you fail in your interpretation when you use these passages…
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 NAS95)
We see them in line with…
"Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. "The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity. "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. (Luke 8:11-15 NAS95)
And with John 15:2…those who bear no fruit…CAN THAT FAITH SAVE THEM??
What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?** Can that faith save him?** (James 2:14 NAS95)
Do you wish to call the faith that James evaluates JUSTIFIYING FAITH?
He says it is dead…demonic, useless, fruitless…CAN THAT FAITH SAVE HIM? You say it is enough to justify him but then they are plucked out of Christ…if he is not justified how can he be IN CHRIST. It is mere outward association.
But if we continue in Hebrews 6…
For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; **but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned. **(Hebrews 6:7-8 NAS95)
Sound like James 2? Dead faith…counterfeit faith…
But – he continues…
But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. (Hebrews 6:9 NAS95)
Read the context! Before and after.
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:26-29 NAS95)
I have already told you!
No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. (1 John 3:6 NAS95)
Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; ***the one who does evil has not seen God. ***(3 John 1:11 NAS95)
Who is John speaking of here??? Non-elect never-saved people who were tares and bad fish that got caught in the dragnet…
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:47-50 NAS95)
cont’d