Most Catholic women use birth control banned by church

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wanner47 said:
**All **birth control pills have two mechanisms (just read the packaging inserts for any brand of Pill; most are available on the website of the manufacturer):
  1. Inhibit ovulation
  2. Change the nature of the uterine lining so that a zygote can’t implant
  3. is the primary mechanism, 2. is the secondary mechanism. If ovulation and conception DO occur on the Pill, then they’re betting on 2. “preventing pregnancy” by causing abortion. There’s no way to tell if this does happen or how often it happens, but the fact remains that it is a possibility.
For me, just the possibility of a potential abortion is enough for me. I’m very saddened by my two years on the Pill, and I very much hope that I didn’t inadvertently abort any of my children during that time.
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My girlfriend got pregnant on the pill, so God’s will can be done even on the pill.

Again, I’m not on the pill. I’m just trying to be strictly objective. I am also never planning on going on the pill either.
 
Serap said:
My girlfriend got pregnant on the pill, so God’s will can be done even on the pill.

Again, I’m not on the pill. I’m just trying to be strictly objective. I am also never planning on going on the pill either.
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Well, sure, God’s will can be done regardless of how we choose to sin. That’s not the issue.
 
wanner47 said:
Well, sure, God’s will can be done regardless of how we choose to sin. That’s not the issue.
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I don’t know for sure that the woman using ABC is sinning. I am familiar with all Catholic teaching also.
 
Serap said:
I don’t know for sure that the woman using ABC is sinning. I am familiar with all Catholic teaching also.
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Well, I’d say to being open to causing a potential abortion without dire medical necessity (e.g., principle of double effect) would be a sin. 🤷
 
I’m not surprised. Most catholics don’t know their faith. Most catholics are luke warm.
 
wanner47 said:
Well, I’d say to being open to causing a potential abortion without dire medical necessity (e.g., principle of double effect) would be a sin. 🤷
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ABC isn’t necessarily the pill.

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I’m not lukewarm and neither are many Protestants either. That is an assumption.

Luther was not luke warm.

I am not advocating Protestant views, but to make an assumption that someone is “lukewarm” is not true.
 
Serap said:
I don’t know for sure that the woman using ABC is sinning. I am familiar with all Catholic teaching also.
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Objectively speaking use of ABC is grave matter.
1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131 1858
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Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
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1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
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1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
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Mary_Gail_36 said:
Objectively speaking use of ABC is grave matter.
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It’s a grave matter according to the CC. Her teachings are believed to be infallible.

However, many many people…Catholics included…disagree with this teaching. This is why many use ABC…they do not agree or more importantly “believe” that it is a sin.

It is for this reason, that they are not in mortal sin, whether or not they have received the whole Catholic teaching on this matter.

Despite how grave the church says it is, whenever the current Pope says that, people just don’t believe it. This includes many many devote Christians who attend church.
 
And in other important news it was announced today that all Catholics sin.
 
estesbob said:
And in other important news it was announced today that all Catholics sin.
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LOL

Also, Reuters tells us that

"“In real-life America, contraceptive use and strong religious beliefs are highly compatible,” said the report’s lead author Rachel Jones.'

In addition, “In real-life Sodom and Gomorrah, sodomist rape and strong religious beliefs are highly compatible,” said the men trying to invade Loth’s home, the night before they were all wiped out from the face of the Earth. 🤷

Also, “In real-life Israel, the worship of toads, lizards, Baal, Moloch, and whatnot, are highly compatible with worship of the one true God,” said the religious leaders of Israel before they were invaded by the King of Babylon, their lower bodies stripped of garments, and before they were marched off into captivity like that, with their shame exposed for all passerby’s to see. :eek:
 
Serap said:
It’s a grave matter according to the CC. Her teachings are believed to be infallible.

However, many many people…Catholics included…disagree with this teaching. This is why many use ABC…they do not agree or more importantly “believe” that it is a sin.It is for this reason, that they are not in mortal sin, whether or not they have received the whole Catholic teaching on this matter.

Despite how grave the church says it is, whenever the current Pope says that, people just don’t believe it. This includes many many devote Christians who attend church.
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Sorry, Serap, that does not mitigate culpability.
1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
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Say I don’t “believe” the Church’s teaching on adultery, and then justify it because that commandment is too difficult or burdonsome for some reason. It would not mitigate my culpability.
 
Serap said:
It’s a grave matter according to the CC. Her teachings are believed to be infallible.

However, many many people…Catholics included…disagree with this teaching. This is why many use ABC…they do not agree or more importantly “believe” that it is a sin.

It is for this reason, that they are not in mortal sin, whether or not they have received the whole Catholic teaching on this matter.

Despite how grave the church says it is, whenever the current Pope says that, people just don’t believe it. This includes many many devote Christians who attend church.
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Devout Christians don’t reject Church teaching.

Contraception is grave matter. If a Catholic knows the Church teaching on the matter and freely chooses to use contraception they are in a state of mortal sin.
 
1holycatholic said:
Devout Christians don’t reject Church teaching.

Contraception is grave matter. If a Catholic knows the Church teaching on the matter and freely chooses to use contraception they are in a state of mortal sin.
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If I remember correctly, there was a time that the Church had not made a pronouncement about the use of the “Pill” and there was a papal commission studying the issue. The commission’s report was the one that was rejected by the Pope.

Anyway, while the Church was studying the issue, the “teaching” was that the Church had no position on the" Pill"and a couple should use their conscience. Even after Humana Vitea, people are, either through ignorance or obstinance, clinging to this “conscience clause” even though the question is now settled.
 
Owlpride said:
Is there any sin that is not a “grave matter?”
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Of course. There are many. Stealing five cents would not be grave matter, for example, due to the extremely limited amount of damage anyone can suffer by the loss of a mere five cents.

Neither would a very minor and trivial lie. Example - “honey, does my bum look big in this?” “Of course not, in fact you look beautiful”. To me this may be somewhat sinful - IF it is indisputably true that the garment in question is hideously unflattering, for example.

In such a case it is far better for many reasons to be tactfully truthful. For example, to say “I think this other skirt/pants is more flattering to your behind”.

But it wouldn’t be a grave sin to lie in those circumstancs by any stretch of the imagination.
 
I think some Catholics love to tell others their in mortal sin. They look for reasons and seem gleeful about it. I just don’t get it.
 
Owlpride said:
I think some Catholics love to tell others their in mortal sin. They look for reasons and seem gleeful about it. I just don’t get it.
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You don’t get what a mortal sin is or you don’t get why people believe it is important that everyone knows what the Church teaches about what a mortal sin is?
 
PaulinVA said:
…Of course, I do have one snarky comment - given the results of this poll, why is the line for Holy Communion so long?
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The same reason the Church is always overflowing on Christmas and Easter and you have to get there an hour early if yo want to get a seat?
 
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