Tis_Bearself
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Why? You and I don’t. Neither do many other Catholic speakers from Fr Martin to Fr Mitch to Fr Z to Fr Ripperger.
Mother Miriam on EWTN states that women should not be in the Sanctuary
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Diaconia
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You are mistaken in your question:
I do not know better, Holy Mother Church knows better. When the Church says women can be in the sanctuary (because of ministerial duties they are doing), a lone bishop who says “no, not here,” is the exception that needs updating.
The current bishop of Lincoln has updated this practice of one of the former bishops, and now Lincoln is in line with the rest of the Church.
Deacon Christopher
I do not know better, Holy Mother Church knows better. When the Church says women can be in the sanctuary (because of ministerial duties they are doing), a lone bishop who says “no, not here,” is the exception that needs updating.
The current bishop of Lincoln has updated this practice of one of the former bishops, and now Lincoln is in line with the rest of the Church.
Deacon Christopher
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whatistrue
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I wouldn’t classify this a critical matter. And I kind of wonder why you seem to. But I don’t actually want to know, so no need to enlighten me.
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Lenny
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Needs updating? Why?
Interesting choice of words, but I digress.
As an aside, my third interview for the deaconate was my last, and without explanation. Strangely the only difference than the first two, was that I brought my family, as I’m sure you know that the third interview is with the wife of the candidate. Now I’m sure that his decision had something to do with my role as a father, yet I’m not so sure that an individual who takes the rules of the Catholic faith in regards to the largely unspoken concept of contraception, is the best reason to deny said candidacy.
Nevertheless i remain in line with the rest of the Church on the matter. I’m sure there are many women willing to take on more of the roles proper to deacons, as I remain among the laity unable to be a part to the change that I seek.
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Dovekin
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Mother Miriam is speaking out of a tradition that says women should not teach. Yes, there are lots of qualifications to be made to that, but the core principle is that women should have no say in what happens at the altar.Shakuhachi:
Why? You and I don’t. Neither do many other Catholic speakers from Fr Martin to Fr Mitch to Fr Z to Fr Ripperger.
She promotes that opinion by keeping hers to herself. When she offers her opinion on what happens at the altar, she is saying women should offer their opinions.
Personally I am grateful for Mother Miriam’s, and Mother Angelica’s before her, outspoken opinions. But I disagree with them. If I agreed with them, I think I would have to be against them speaking out.
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Lenny
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Sure.
The problem I have with the Church in not with the women, but the men of the Church. Leadership from the top down has been nothing but a let down for many years now. This includes the Magesterium to the laity. Fathers are not taking their proper positions as leaders of the Church, or the family.
After all do we not take the words of our Lord seriously anymore?
1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
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1 Corinthians 14:34
Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
These are uncomfortable truths that are largely ignored.
The problem I have with the Church in not with the women, but the men of the Church. Leadership from the top down has been nothing but a let down for many years now. This includes the Magesterium to the laity. Fathers are not taking their proper positions as leaders of the Church, or the family.
After all do we not take the words of our Lord seriously anymore?
1 Corinthians 11:7
A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
Or
1 Corinthians 14:34
Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
These are uncomfortable truths that are largely ignored.
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TheLittleLady
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Yet she, a woman, is teaching.
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Diaconia
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I do not understand what this has to do with Mother Miriam.
Also diaconal interviews vary from diocese to diocese. Mine involved two interviews, one to conduct the Deacon Perceiver and another with my wife and the director.
If you want to visit more about diaconal application you can PM me.
The current bishop of Lincoln is going through a very difficult time addressing abuse that occurred during his predecessor’s time. His predecessor gained notoriety by being the only bishop who refused to sign the Charter for the Protection of Young People. Yet under his watch many cases of abuse occurred. Now the current bishop has to deal with all of that - please pray for him.
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Jen95
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I wonder if the Church would have considered it a critical matter in 1940, or 1840. Or 1740. Or 840. Etc.Lenny:
I wouldn’t classify this a critical matter. And I kind of wonder why you seem to. But I don’t actually want to know, so no need to enlighten me.
But now? No big whoop.
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whatistrue
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Yes. It seems that we have realized that women are not inferior, even if they cannot be ordained.
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goout
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Ok, this takes the honor for understated humor.Lenny:
Right and in the sanctuary is the altar which is the table where the consecration of the Eucharist takes place.
She must mean the sanctuary because nobody stands on top of the altar.
Tis_Bearself
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I actually read what she says as being much narrower: simply that women shouldn’t be doing the “priestly” tasks in the sanctuary. Obviously she’s fine with them teaching everywhere else, she does it herself and the founder of EWTN also did it.
I don’t necessarily agree with her views, but I don’t see her contradicting her position by stating her opinion, as long as she’s not standing in a sanctuary when she states it.
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TheLittleLady
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That is also what I understand her to say. @Dovekin, do you agree?
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Lenny
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Put the victim card away please. It’s not about that.
Would it be right for our Lady to take authority of the Holy Family? Was she inferior? Quite the contrary.
Would it be right for our Lady to take authority of the Holy Family? Was she inferior? Quite the contrary.
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whatistrue
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You say it is not about that, but that “leadership” needs to be shown. Yet when the magisterium gives an analysis of the passage you quoted above that differs from your pet ideas, suddenly them putting it out and saying “this is what that means” is not leadership. Your actions and your words, as far as I can tell, do not match. I am done. Muting thread.
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Lenny
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whatistrue
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Did you actually buy that interpretation?
But they are not actually truths…
ETA: Changed my mind on muting - I was letting my emotions run amok to an extent, which is never a good thing for me. I got over it.
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goout
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This is patently false.
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TheLittleLady
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I’d ask for this claim to be backed up, but, I’m still waiting on a couple of previous claims.
@goout and @whatistrue, sigh along with me.
@goout and @whatistrue, sigh along with me.
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Jen95
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So, you think that the Church thought women were inferior, up until…when? When women were allowed to be EMHCs, lectors, etc?Jen95:
Yes. It seems that we have realized that women are not inferior, even if they cannot be ordained.
Or am I misreading what you intended?
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