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why_me
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To be fair I would have to say that the lds church did go over the top celebrating his birthday. But for the lds, JS is important.
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why_me
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When I was a boy it was a sin to attend another church. I think that this has now changed.Hal, are you Catholic?
Correct me if I’m wrong, please, because I don’t know so much, but I thought it was
prohibited for Catholics to attend religious services not of the Catholic faith.
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teancum79
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Yes and no.So, the apostasy began with the death of Peter?
John was around, but as to his continuing to ordain new leaders etc. I have no information. I would guess that by about 150 AD the church that Christ set up was effectively none functioning as far as having ordained leadership etc.
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MelanieAnne
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Of course there is absolutely no evidence for that assertion or “guess”. It’s simply a Mormon thing. The evidence CONTRARY to that assertion is abundant.Yes and no.
John was around, but as to his continuing to ordain new leaders etc. I have no information. I would guess that by about 150 AD the church that Christ set up was effectively none functioning as far as having ordained leadership etc.
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c659smith
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It is not a sin to go to another church and never was.When I was a boy it was a sin to attend another church. I think that this has now changed.
It is a sin to paticipate in a service such as to receive communion, to accept their teachings as valid.
Go to a funeral, a wedding, a ceremony but understand they do not have the power to confirm these as sacramentals without the acceptance and approval of Christ’s Church. The Catholic Church
While there remember to evangelize as you would of course save a drowning child would you not?
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teancum79
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Its a me thing. I’ve not seen any official church statement on what year the appositely took place.Of course there is absolutely no evidence for that assertion or “guess”. It’s simply a Mormon thing. The evidence CONTRARY to that assertion is abundant.
When most of the “evidance” has been controlled by those who benefit most from it it is suspect.
I find that fact that many Christians don’t accpet the CC as being constant with the Bible is significant evidance that they are not the same church Christ setup.
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MelanieAnne
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That “many Christians don’t accpet the CC as being constant with the Bible” is a function of certain men substituting their personal beliefs for that of Jesus and proceeding to remove from the Bible those books that did not support their new theology.Its a me thing. I’ve not seen any official church statement on what year the appositely took place.
When most of the “evidance” has been controlled by those who benefit most from it it is suspect.
I find that fact that many Christians don’t accpet the CC as being constant with the Bible is significant evidance that they are not the same church Christ setup.
As for “When most of the “evidance” has been controlled by those who benefit most from it it is suspect” ~ that’s a pretty ironic statement for a Mormon to make since Joseph Smith made the whole religion up.
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teancum79
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Back to the attacks I see.
I was simply pointing out, as I’m sure you would have if our positions where reversed, that when a group is in control of information and they benifit the most from that information its objectify is in question.
And as you mentioned there is significant concern that men altered what God gave and removed what they did not like.
I was simply pointing out, as I’m sure you would have if our positions where reversed, that when a group is in control of information and they benifit the most from that information its objectify is in question.
And as you mentioned there is significant concern that men altered what God gave and removed what they did not like.
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c659smith
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With all due respect give me that evidence.Its a me thing. I’ve not seen any official church statement on what year the appositely took place.
When most of the “evidance” has been controlled by those who benefit most from it it is suspect.
I find that fact that many Christians don’t accpet the CC as being constant with the Bible is significant evidance that they are not the same church Christ setup.
What was the day, the month, the year?
Do Aglicans have that evidence?
Do Lutherans have that evidence?
Do Mormons have that evidence?
For I have evidence the others you proclaim as evidence have left Christ’s Church for selfishness and denial of what was written in the Sacred Scripture, Sacred Teachings, and Sacred Traditions.
Tell me what is the reason you are not Catholic?
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teancum79
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Because I follow Christ.
I don’t care much for the traditions of men even if they label them as sacred.
The church falling apart was a process not an event.
I don’t care much for the traditions of men even if they label them as sacred.
The church falling apart was a process not an event.
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MelanieAnne
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No attacks, just facts. I guess some people have trouble accepting facts. That problem belongs to them, not to the source of the facts.Back to the attacks I see.
I was simply pointing out, as I’m sure you would have if our positions where reversed, that when a group is in control of information and they benifit the most from that information its objectify is in question.
And as you mentioned there is significant concern that men altered what God gave and removed what they did not like.
The fact of the matter is that there is not a shred of evidence to support the “apostasy” myth, whereas there is abundant evidence, including evidence from contemporaneous non-religious sources, of the continuity of the Catholic Church from the earliest times.
That the historical evidence does not comport with what Mormons desperately wish to be true is unfortunate for Mormons but it cannot change the facts.
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dosdog
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Because there has not been an ApostasyWith all due respect give me that evidence.
What was the day, the month, the year?
1844, Strang became the founder and prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
LDS Utah has been in Apostasy ever since.
123exp-biographies.com/t/00034239876/
Tell me what is the reason you are Catholic?
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c659smith
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I am Catholic becauseBecause there has not been an Apostasy
I believe in God the Father Aalmighty, Creator of heaven and earth.
(Now that is One God)
I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, He Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried, He descended to the dead. On the third day He rose again. He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic, and Apostolic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
This is why I am Catholic and any non beliefs of these facts is an apostacy. For what is written here is from Jesus Christ (God and Man one in the same) who walked this earth and is the Church that He started and continues to be with.
Do you really put your faith in a man from 1844 and not God.
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teancum79
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I love how your opinion gets fact status and all others don’t.No attacks, just facts. I guess some people have trouble accepting facts. That problem belongs to them, not to the source of the facts.
The fact of the matter is that there is not a shred of evidence to support the “apostasy” myth, whereas there is abundant evidence, including evidence from contemporaneous non-religious sources, of the continuity of the Catholic Church from the earliest times.
That the historical evidence does not comport with what Mormons desperately wish to be true is unfortunate for Mormons but it cannot change the facts.
There are many “facts” relating to the CC that the CC will not accept and label as anti-catholic.
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c659smith
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That is a cop out and you have no evidence.Because I follow Christ.
I don’t care much for the traditions of men even if they label them as sacred.
The church falling apart was a process not an event.
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dosdog
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You Don’t? Gregory XVI (1831-46)I am Catholic because
I believe in God the Father Aalmighty, Creator of heaven and earth.
(Now that is One God)
I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, He Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried, He descended to the dead. On the third day He rose again. He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic, and Apostolic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting.
This is why I am Catholic and any non beliefs of these facts is an apostacy. For what is written here is from Jesus Christ (God and Man one in the same) who walked this earth and is the Church that He started and continues to be with.
Do you really put your faith in a man from 1844 and not God.
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teancum79
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No its how it is.
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dosdog
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Even if Rome was destroyed like Jerusalem tomorrowNo its how it is.
Catholicism would continue
Four parent rites can be identified as the
Antiochene, Alexandrine, Roman and Gallican.
They gave rise to nine major rites in the Catholic Church today: in the Latin Church the Roman Rite is predominant, and then among the Eastern Churches we find the Byzantine, Armenian, Chaldean, Coptic, Ethiopian, Malabar, Maronite and Syrian Rites.
GATEWAY LITURGICAL CONFERENCE
ADDRESS OF HIS EMINENCE CARDINAL FRANCIS ARINZE
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20061111_gateway-conference_en.html
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majick275
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yet you follow the traditions of joseph smith and brigham young who labeled them sacred. which church? the LDS church? yes they have changed dramatically over the years and splintered into many strange groups.Because I follow Christ.
I don’t care much for the traditions of men even if they label them as sacred.
The church falling apart was a process not an event.
The Christian church has had men go off lone wolf and start their version at many times. lot’s of men seem to like starting churches that let them do what they want but the core church that jesus established never failed and has never been abandoned by God.
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teancum79
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I’m only aware of 2 splinter groups that are of any real size. RLDS (now the community of Christ) and the FLDS. the RLDS history I’m not all that up to date on, but the FLDS more or less decided to not listen to Wilford Woodruff.yet you follow the traditions of joseph smith and brigham young who labeled them sacred. which church? the LDS church? yes they have changed dramatically over the years and splintered into many strange groups.
The Christian church has had men go off lone wolf and start their version at many times. lot’s of men seem to like starting churches that let them do what they want but the core church that jesus established never failed and has never been abandoned by God.
Many church practices have changed over the years. Aside from the starting years when things where reveled a piece at a time I’ve never seen a doctrine change.
I follow what God’s prophets taught beacuse it is Gods word. I’m really not too big on many LDS traditions.
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