Moving on after porn

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While I appreciate ALL of the people who took the time to reply to this thread, I especially feel a bond to these women who are suffering the same battle. I don’t mean to offend, but there is NO WAY a man can understand what this does to a good wife’s self worth, esteem, passion, love… The absolute dispair it causes… This is not something a woman can flip a switch and forget, especially if it continues! I don’t expect men to understand that, i know we are wired differently, but please have the decency to allow us to work through our pain and emotions through bonding and sharing experiences on an anonymous forum, as we can’t exactly go talk to our friends/family about this and still preserve our husbands’ dignity. I am working through this hell with hopes of moving on to a happier marriage again but right now I hurt and I need someone to talk to, as do other women here. Tell me, if you found your wife cheating, would you be able to just move on? Woukd you be offended if people suggested just that? No, this is not an actual affair but it might as well be for the hell we go through over it.
 
OP, I’ve said what I have to say. I hope it all works out for you and your family.
 
OP,

I am very sorry you are having to deal with all this. Though pornography hasn’t been an issue in my marriage (I don’t think so, anyway), my husband is a recovering alcoholic. I can relate to many of the feelings you are having. The best thing that every happened to me and our marriage was Al-Anon. There, I was able to speak and listen to others who had faced my same issues. But, more importantly, I was given so much more. There I learned a way of life that helped me to focus more on me and how to begin to repair the damage that had been done. The First step is similar to AA “Admitted I was powerless over the alcoholic”. This was huge for me. I had devoted so much of my thoughts and energy to fixing my DH. The second step was even better…“Came to believe a Higher Power (God) could restore me to sanity”. I really struggled with admitting I had any problems. Wonderful people gently guided me to a better understanding. Step 3 was Made a decision to turn my life over to the care of God. This was my major turning point. By making God the center of my life things started to settle down. My spiritual journey began. I’ll spare you the remaining 9 steps though they are vital to a complete recovery.

I am praying for you and your DH.

God Bless you.
 
I very much sympathize with your struggle, and at the beginning of your post I was feeling sympathetic toward your husband’s struggle, but as I read on, I was dismayed; it seems that porn has really corrupted the way he thinks. He sounds very conflicted to me. You say that he is angry with himself but it is also clear that he is having trouble facing what he did and taking responsibility for it, and worst of all, repenting and turning away from it again.

First of all, I would say that if you are expecting him to quit again cold turkey, as in this instant, then you are going to be disappointed. Pornography is a very powerful addiction. When you start using it, it is extremely difficult to stop. If he is really serious about quitting, then it is going to take time, and patience on your part.

First of all, my recommendation to you would be to step back and take deep breaths, and think about yourself and your husband. You say that you really love him. If this is true, then you will be willing to do the next step.

You need to confront him and have a heart to heart talk. Now it is important that you don’t explode, and try to keep your emotions checked as much as you can. I have a feeling that your emotional reaction might be scaring him and making him defensive. Let him know that you love him and tell him how important it is that he quits using porn. Let him know that you are willing to be patient with him and work with him, but he has to be willing to work and work hard to quit. Quitting porn is not for wimps. He has to be serious about it. If you can get him to agree to this then you are on the right track.

If he doesn’t respond, if he still gets irritated by your attempts, then there isn’t a lot you can do. Talk to a spiritual director about what to do, if it may be necessary for you to find a separate living situation, etc.

I can speak from my own experience here. I struggled with pornography for several years before I met my wife. I had uphill and downhill battles. But I always fought, and was always 100 percent resolved to quit, even if my life depended on it. I sought help where I could, learned a lot along the way. I always looked to the sacrament of reconciliation. Today I am vigilant as ever: I do not have a smart phone because I don’t want constant access to the Internet as this would be a temptation. I avoid using the computer when nobody is home. On my own personal computer, I use a powerful content filter (one that I wrote myself, actually) that puts my mind at ease and helps me avoid temptation. I use the fortify program from an organization called “Fight the New Drug” that has helped me learn ways to overcome urges very effectively. When I am tempted, which is usually late at night, I simply unplug the router and go to sleep. Basically I cut off temptation as soon as (and sometimes before) it arises. I don’t take any chances, because once the temptation is there, I know how strong it can be, and I know how hard it will be to quit if I give in “just one more time.” I know what a devastating effect porn would have on my marriage, and so I don’t take any chances. If your husband is serious about quitting, then he need to be willing to take any measure necessary to quit and to avoid future temptation.
 
I also live in the sticks, no nearby big city for specialized support groups. Are there any online options?
I’ve used two. The first is the candeo program (reclaimsexualhealth.com). That one was very helpful but expensive. The second one was the fortify program (from Fight the New Drug) and that one was much more affordable, just a one time fee. They are non-profit and are dedicated to helping people overcome porn addiction.
 
There are certainly men on this forum who screech. But I’m sorry, I stand behind what I wrote - if anything, your willingness to take offense at my olive branch, to me, totally validates what I wrote. Far from you “not caring less,” you’re still ready to take offense!
I think you are misunderstanding what I couldn’t care less about. I couldn’t care less about men “screeching” to each other on personal subjects. As far as your olive branch goes, from my perspective, that was offered to the OP, not me. When you say that she needs to “move on”, what is your definition of moving on, exactly? Just forget her husband is continuing to sin and breaking his marital vow of chastity & fidelity? Pretend like it still isn’t happening?

Having a relatively safe place to talk about it without anyone knowing who you are is important. One thing my own husband has done is tell his mother and sisters intimate details of our sex life, without my knowledge. How do you think that made me feel? It makes me not want to ever visit his side of the family because they now know stuff I would NEVER in a million years share with people I know!! So for you to tell her (and by inference, the rest of us who are living this nightmare) to ‘just get over it’ is, IMHO, callous.
 
Oh Shugabee, I’m so sorry!!!

My husband does the same thing, tells me it’s his fault and he’s " sick" than the next day its my fault because we don’t do it often enough… Know how much I want to be available for that when I know he’s thinking of the girls I saw on his phone??? Yeah, right! Then when it doesn’t happen for a few days he alludes to me needing to do it or be might be tempted. Feels like blackmail! The sad part, I don’t trust him at all, its crushing because a month ago this time in my ignorant bliss, I thought he hung the moon… In my eyes now, he is a liar, sneaking around, cheating, being a deceitful pervert. And in society’s eyes I shouldn’t worry because he’s coming home to me. Pfffffft! Gee great, he’s getting all hot n bothered elsewhere and masturbating to save me the trouble of what used to be an intimate and holy relation. The marital act for me has been gutted. I feel like nothing more than a tool for his pleasure.

I’m especially owly about him today because he got blackout, throw up on yourself, drunk over the weekend at my company Christmas party and made a fool out of both of us in front of all of my coworkers. He binges like that several times a year, its caused many huge fights, once in a while its even physical. That little stunt served him with his second ultimatum in a months time. I love him without question but damn, sometimes he’s hard to like! I went to confession about my part all this and all the orher things its caused me to do and found myself bawling in the confessional, pouring my heart out, and that’s never happened before. I feel a little bit better, now. I just feel, like you, that the end might be coming for us. I would give my life to save our marriage but it takes 2. I can’t do it if he doesn’t want to try. That and for the first time in our marriage I feel like I could’ve done better. 😦 :confused:
I am so sorry.

I want to second another poster’s suggestion to get to an Al-Anon meeting. Even in the middle of nowhere, there’s usually one going on; Google will help, or, barring that, contact the national office. (I once really needed a meeting when visiting my parents in their small town, population 1000 people, and found one in a neighboring small town twenty minutes away.)

You can’t control him, but you can learn to handle your feelings in a way that will be constructive both for you and your relationship, whatever might happen with that. Mind you, it’s perfectly okay to feel betrayed and hurt and angry–I’m not saying it isn’t! I’m saying that staying “stuck” in those feelings won’t do anyone any good, especially you.

Seriously. Look up the nearest meeting, and go. Then go again in a few days, or the next week. It’ll help you cope with both the drinking and the pornography. They’re both addictions, and both connected to dysfunctional behavior.

As to the idea that women wouldn’t tolerate a group of men supporting each other–well, I can’t speak for everyone else here, but I can say this. When I run into an issue with my husband that isn’t being resolved between us, I take it to a very close friend who is a) Catholic, b) has a Catholic understanding of marriage (read: in the best marriages, there are at least little ups and downs, and that’s no reason to divorce), and c) will neither bring the subject up again nor hold it against my husband when she sees him. She’s been married for rather longer than I have, so between her faith and understanding and the fact that she has a really good marriage, she has solid perspective on Catholic marriage. In several situations, she’s given me solid advice on how to approach something that has built our marriage up. She’s not afraid to pull punches, and I appreciate that: if I’m acting badly, she’ll tell me so, or if what I’m saying is coming across as critical or harsh when I don’t mean to, ditto.

I find this particularly helpful because I don’t have any family role models for marriage; my parents stuck together, but they hated each other, and they used us kids as weapons. This marriage and parenthood thing is the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life; it’s like re-inventing the wheel daily because I really don’t know what’s good and normal, only what I don’t want to do. Totally worth it, but really hard, and having someone give me pointers along the way when I need them (she never offers advice unless it’s specifically asked for) has been very helpful indeed.

DH doesn’t seem to need this tool, probably in part because he grew up in a very solid, functional family. However, if he did, I’d rather he go to, say, another married Catholic guy with a good perspective on marriage and say “Hey, this is going on, how can we work on it constructively?” than either get resentful at me or let the issue simmer until it explodes and really does damage our marriage. Wouldn’t hold it against him at all, providing that he, like I do, picked someone who’s discreet and sensible. Sometimes you need another perspective on things, and that’s okay! None of us should be expected to figure out everything by ourselves.
 
I hope I haven’t missed something but there’s something about this thread I don’t understand. The impression I get from skimming the posts is that the op’s husband has for a few weeks been looking at sexually explicit still photos of redheads.

And yet right at the beginning people are discussing how he’s “addicted” to porn. Umm…If what I wrote above is an accurate description of what he’s done, he can’t be said to be addicted to porn and it’s not fair to him to say he is.
 
Boccherini, I believe you are correct. OP’s page 1 said husband did this 10 years ago then was caught doing it 2 weeks before the thread started.
 
I hope I haven’t missed something but there’s something about this thread I don’t understand. The impression I get from skimming the posts is that the op’s husband has for a few weeks been looking at sexually explicit still photos of redheads.

And yet right at the beginning people are discussing how he’s “addicted” to porn. Umm…If what I wrote above is an accurate description of what he’s done, he can’t be said to be addicted to porn and it’s not fair to him to say he is.
When I went back to the first page I noted that it was a couple of men who had struggled themselves with porn who brought up addiction. Are you saying that he only used porn that one occasion that he got caught?

One telling comment by the husband was this…“He read an article I sent about why porn tears apart a marriage, then had the nerve to say he found another article saying how much it helps couples connect.” With all that is known about not only porns effect on marriages but its neurological damage… a man wouldn’t justify porn use unless there was some level of addiction there.
 
I hope I haven’t missed something but there’s something about this thread I don’t understand. The impression I get from skimming the posts is that the op’s husband has for a few weeks been looking at sexually explicit still photos of redheads.

And yet right at the beginning people are discussing how he’s “addicted” to porn. Umm…If what I wrote above is an accurate description of what he’s done, he can’t be said to be addicted to porn and it’s not fair to him to say he is.
It’s not clear if he was looking at porn much less if he is addicted to it.
 
A clear sign of an addict is the need to justify use, minimise the damaging effects and criticise their victims.
 
This thread got way more involved than I had ever meant for it to. My husband’s story changed several times but it appears it wasn’t a long term thing, at least according to him. This also isn’t the first time, so this makes me question whether he ever completely gave it up before. That said, why do I believe him now that he has destroyed my trust? I don’t completely believe that it is only been going on for the few weeks because of little things I have noticed and remembered and I don’t 100% believe that it is finished now, but I have not had any hard evidence so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Plus, I’m a bit paranoid and hypersensitive right now so I’m trying not to let that cloud my good judgment. I don’t know what constitutes calling him an addict versus an occasional user but either way the end result is the same. If I had only seen him looking at it one time it would be one time too many. It is hurtful and wrong no matter how many times it happened, he actively sought it out and that hurts me.

Now al-anon Is the same as AA, correct? Forgive me for being naive, but do spouses of addicted people generally go to these meetings? Also I don’t think he would be considered and alcoholic, because he goes on these occasional binges but does not drink daily. Do these groups deal with other addictions or just alcohol, because frankly the pornography issue bothers me much much much more.

Lastly, I do have every intention of getting past this it is just much harder than I anticipated. I am keeping most of it to myself around him now, not bringing it up, just kind of watching and seeing where it goes. Being able to come to this forum you talk about it helps give me an outlet because I don’t want to bring it up with him everyday. I’d like to thank everyone here for that and for the prayers and for the advice and the support.
 
Regarding addiction… if you have ever met someone who is a recovered alcoholic, you will find that they usually have given up drinking altogether. Same with those who smoke. People who have recovered from addictions to narcotics and other drugs will sometimes refuse pain meds because they are triggers. The thing is, when you’ve experienced addiction before, the neural pathways are there for pretty much the rest of your life. It doesn’t take much to plunge you back into your old habits. You shouldn’t have this idea that just because the husband has only been using for two weeks now that it isn’t an addiction, or that it’s not a big deal. Two weeks is plenty of time to fall back into the old habits. The fact that someone wants to stop doing something (like porn) but can’t is a sign of an addiction. And the fact that this man is conflicted between struggling against the temptation and justifying it is even further proof that he may very well be addicted.
 
… a man wouldn’t justify porn use unless there was some level of addiction there.
If Mr so-and-so belongs to a community where drinking is considered really bad and someone finds out that he’s been having a few beers a week the last 4 weeks, and everyone tells him that he’s a drunkard now and will die of delirium tremens, then Mr So-and-so might say “C’mon having a few beers isn’t that bad, lots of nice healthy people drink beer” even if he actually feels horrible about what he’s done.
(I’m not trying to equate or compare drinking to pornography, that’s not my point here. I’m not a relativist.)
On the other hand some addicts love to go on about what horrible people they are and how sorry they are, and what do you know, the next weekend they’re selling the kid’s bicycle to buy whatever it is they’re addicted to.
 
There are a LOT of undocumented assumptions about husband’s alleged porn “addiction.” The fact is OP can and has only described a very few instances of use and people are assuming the use is more frequent than has been described.

I also get that “any use is a bad use.” But the fact remains that objectively his use has apparently been at worst infrequent - I suspect OP would have caught him had it been worse.

Also, I’d like to ask OP a respectful question, particularly given that you’ve cried, given husband ultimatums, etc.: what do you want him to do? My question is a serious one, because, when all the “venting,” “commiserating,” looking backward, etc., is done, what do you want to happen?

I’d add this: I really think professional help - rather than venting to and with wholly unqualified strangers on the internet, many of whom clearly have their own hurts and problems - is what is really needed.
 
A clear sign of an addict is the need to justify use, minimise the damaging effects and criticise their victims.
What makes a person an addict is a recurrent failure to control the behavior and continuation of the behavior despite increasingly harmful consequences. You can’t really diagnose someone with a behavioral addiction without ever even meeting them. It appears the op’s husband used pornography infrequently in the past and then very recently looked at an immodest picture. That is all we know about him.
 
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