Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Khalfan]

The actual question was what the man must do to attain eternal life. Before answering, Jesus first made the comparrison to Himslef and God so that the man, in both accounts, would make that connection- which you seem to miss. Secondly, the answer was to obey the Commandments as you noted in your question to me. Do that, and Life is yours.

What was the actual question? was it,

"Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? "

or, was it

“Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”

What was the actual answer? was it,

“Why do you call me good?..”

or, was it,

“Why do you ask me about what is good?..”

Hope you understand the question.

If the writers were eyewitness, the question and the answer had to be the same. But it is not.

Indeed the concept was to have the eternal life. The answer was to follow the commandmends. What is the first commandmend?

M’r:12:29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR GOD is one Lord:

Again he said,

Joh:20:17: …I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God.

Jesus was saying about his God. Do you follow that? No. you believe Jesus himself is God.

Choose, faith is yours.

The larger point is Jesus called these disciples. The smaller point as to where and when is really irrelevent. Does the river Jordan connect the sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea? Yes, so it is possible that both are correct.

My dear, if both are correct, both says about the same place, John 1:43 wouldn’t say then Jesus (pbuh) went to Galilee.

Don’t make stupid statements just to argue. I can give up the subject, but fact is fact. Choose, faith is yours.

All are correct.

I agree. Since all are correct, the exact wordings on the board was,

‘This is Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews’

But to find it, you have to go to the book

‘Gospels according to Verisimilitude’ -The fifth eyewitness.

Don’t you feel shame to make such claims?

The eyewitnesses were unable to read a board even correctly. And you claim divinity in what all they utter?

It is the only place the “real” Jesus is described. Where does Muhammad get his view of the “real” Jesus?

Yaa… even after all those problems and lies.

 

[Khalfan]

His God? Was He talking about another god?

Yes my dear. He was talking about his God.

He said,

M’r:12:29: …The Lord OUR GOD is one Lord:

Again he said,

Joh:20:17: …I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God.

It means a great deal. Study the Trinity.

Trinity is a lie which Jesus never taught.

 

[BelFarfalla]

WoW… a new story.

Not a new story at all… here it is …

*Sahih Muslim, **Book 004, Number 2127: *
**
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was ‘A’isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi’. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O ‘A’isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. **** He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, **** and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi’ (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

 

[BelFarfalla]

WoW… a new story.

Here is another story where Muhammad allowed a man to beat his wife until she had green bruses on her… thie is what Islam allows.

A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires. Note that Muhammad basically called her a liar… she said that her husband was impotent… Muhammad says the he cannot be because he had children… note that there are children old enough to run around… they have nothing to do about the man’s sexual abilities at the time of this incident.**
*Translation of Sahih Bukhari, **Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715: *
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, 'Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. ** Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” **When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a.”

Allah’s Apostle said, to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that 'AbdurRahman said, “Yes.” The Prophet said, “You claim what you claim (i.e… that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,”

 

[Onesimus]

Lu:17:34: I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Lu:17:35: Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Lu:17:36: Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

What does it say?

Come now. Are your keen analytical skill only good for deconstruction?

I’m not going to just hand it to you when you’re willing to expended so much effort to find problems.

Assume the statement is a riddle expend some of
that effort to unravel it.

 

[Khalfan]

No we aren’t claiming divinity, but Jesus was. That’s why the Jews immediately tried to stone him.

No. He said he lived before Abraham. Jesus (pbuh) was talking about the eternal life for those who keep the word of God.

At this the Jews exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?” -John 8:52-53

Since Jesus (pbuh) was not talking about the phisical death, he was not talking about his phisical life before Abraham (pbuh), but spiritual.

Eventhough, eternity is not the evidence for divinity. Hebrews 7:1-3 talkes about another eternal being but not God.

It’s not my fault you only have a superficial knowledge of the Bible, but your lack of insight is no more relevant than that of a schoolchild who claims “you can’t do math with letters,” because he’s unaware of Algebra.

Yaa. I can see that.

 

[Khalfan]

What is stupid about that statement? God used the rainbow to remind us of the covenant he made that he would never destroy the earth again by a flood.

No stupid things in the Quran? The sun sets in a murky spring? The stars were created as missiles to throw at the jinns?

Not to mention the wisdom of your “prophet” in stating that the devil sleeps up people’s noses at night and has to be washed out every morning. And Muslims do this when they do their ablutions!

How about the devil urinating in the ears of those who fall asleep during prayers? How will these do for a start?

Vickie

Sceintifical facts can be proved. Such as the claim of rainbow and sun set in murky water.

Until and unless we have complete knowledge of Jinn and devil I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

Do you say there was no rain at all before Noah (pbuh)? amazing!! Ask a school child, he will tell you what causes to form a rainbow in the sky.

Quran dosen’t say sun set in the murky water.

 

[Khalfan]

How about just out of fear?

Vickie

out of fear what?

 

[Khalfan]

I’m sorry. I’m remaining by my original statement. No matter which way you turn it, it’s just wrong and not to mention cowardly to beat a women. You trying to justify this disturbs me.

But I have say the truth. Beating a women without reason, beating a women with intention to hurt, is a serious sin in Islam. Islam doesn’t allow that.

Can I ask you a question, why the loving merciful God giving painful diseases to some people? God indeed have some good intention behind that. In the same way, husbands are allowed to beat their wifes only with a good intention, not to hurt her. Wife too can beat the husband with or without good intention even if it is not said in the Quran.

Is this the same court that requires 4 eye witnesses in case of rape?

The claim that rape victims require four witnesses to seek justice for their case is untrue and a false lie propagated by those who either do not have any knowledge in Islamic law or want to “prove” a so-called weakness in the hadd laws. Circumstantial evidence is sufficient and the judge can invoke his judgment based upon takzir (his own discretion).

If a person makes an allegation of adultery against another person (male or female), only then he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation: "And those who accuse chaste women [of adultery] and then do not produce four witnesses…."2; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering, which is a grave offense in Islam.

To insist that the raped victim must provide witnesses is akin to inflicting further pain on her. If anyone refutes her claim of innocence, the onus is on him to provide evidence, and she may simply deny the claim by making a solemn oath, thus clearing herself in public.

Sunan Abu Dawood
Book 38, Number 4366:
Narrated Wa’il ibn Hujr:

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

Pakistan? lovely country to live in as a young girl:

Do you want me name some bad Christians like Hitler?

Quran doesn’t support any of that activities those muslims in pakistan do even if they claim so.

But I cannot say that about Bible. It says Jesus (pbuh) is offspring of incest. Read the story of Lot (who did love with his daughter in law) and his children who is ancestor of Jesus (pbuh).

 

[Verisimilitude]

Clear the doubts with the real people of the books.

Don’t listen to those who claim to be ‘People of the books’.

What is wrong in that?

Islam accepts no one as real people of the book since the claim is the books have been corrupted. Muhammad boxed the answer into a corner, as with many of his false claims.

There was people who believed in Jesus (pbuh) as a messenger.

Yes, like Kadijja’s uncle whose particular brand of Christian faith has long been rejected.

Yes. You are right. Because Quran is not the GOSPELS according to USMAN talking about the life Mohamed (pbuh).

The Qur’an is the gospel according to Muhammad.

You agree that there are inconsistancies. But you want to name it ‘minor’. Why there is inconsistancies if it is written by eyewitnesses? Specially when all the writing was ‘Spiritually’ inspired? As far as I know, there is only one Holy spirit. But that same Spirit inspired to write different things in different gospels.

This is where Islam makes it’s greatest mistake. Explained below.

WHY EDITING?!!!

Are you so naive to think the various parchment, bone and wood fragments that the revelations were first written on over the life of Muhammad’s ministry never took a different form or wording? The very fact that the arrangement of the Koran takes the shape it does is due to editing. It is also why so many hadith are in dispute.

You don’t have two similar Bibles printed in just 100 years. The KJV itself revised 5 times over last 400 years. The NIV says KJV contains many major mistakes. 7 books are still with Question mark regarding ‘Inspiration’.

Yea, I know. Pretty neat isn’t it? When the Word is translated from Greek into Latin, then to German, English, Chinese, Arabic… those minor inconsitancies remain because of the faithfullness of those who believe the Word as True. This proves to me the universality (catholic) of the NT.

We don’t have those problems with Quran. Quran was never printed at the time of Prophet (pbuh). It was to memorise and we do that even today. Making it into a book was a later idea of the companians.

If the Koran was never printed in the time of the prophet how could he have authenticated it? Memorization is not uniqe to Islam, then or now.

Even if any one rules the whole world and destroy entire copies of Quran around the world, you think it will be lost? No. It is very easy to recreate copies of Quran, from all part of the world, at the same time, without even a single spelling mistake.

That is what makes Quran different.

I’ll bet you $1 you are wrong about that.

No. I have seen movies about Life of Jesus. One was according to gospel of John. Other was according to Luke. From that itself, I found differences.

Not on the main points.

There is No movies made on the life of Prophet Muhamed (pbuh). Even if there is any, you wont find a character him.

Which is a convienent way to stiffle debate. Truth can withstand such scrutiny. Islam could not survive. Despite death threats, someone wil do it evetually.

When you think of Jesus, you have certain image in your mind. When you think of mary or Gabriel have certain images in your mind. Because you Christians have lot of pictures and movies on Jesus (pbuh) and Mary (pbuh) and others. You visualise their face even after you know that it is not real face of Jesus and Mary (pbut).

So what?

We don’t make such stupid images and characters of prophet (pbuh) so that we can stop visualising his face. Because we know, what we draw in our imagination is not real.

Yes, that is a shame to be honest. How many artists have been denied their vocation by growing up Islamic?

Wow… the significant is,

The Holy Spirit failed to inspire both the writers in providing the same correct number of days. Since it is uninspired, you have to put the event under ‘apocrepha’.

Wow indeed.

 

[Booklover]

But I cannot say that about Bible. It says Jesus (pbuh) is offspring of incest. Read the story of Lot (who did love with his daughter in law) and his children who is ancestor of Jesus (pbuh).

Lay off with the cheap insults! How dare you say such things about Jesus! May God have mercy on you for the blasphemous things you’ve said!

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

I like the one where it states sperm comes from the backbone

Since it need explanation, I would request you to check the link below. Your question is answered in detail.

understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=100

 

[Khalfan]

Not a new story at all… here it is …

*Sahih Muslim, **Book 004, Number 2127: *
**
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was ‘A’isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi’. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O ‘A’isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. **** He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, **** and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi’ (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

Does that say, the prophet (pbuh) beat Ayesha (ra)? Does that conversation says about an angry husband? A beaten wife? read the rest after the struck and she felt pain. Do you see a beaten, weak, helpless wife?

She was asking advise from the prophet. Would that be her mental situation if she was beaten so hard?!!

Why are you so blind to the facts?

 

[Verisimilitude]

What was the actual question? was it,

"Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? "

or, was it

“Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”

What was the actual answer? was it,

“Why do you call me good?..”

or, was it,

“Why do you ask me about what is good?..”

Hope you understand the question.

I do. Do you really want to go down this tit-for-tat road? Is it really significant to you that such minor descrepencies in the NT void the whole of it? Your position is the Qur’an has no such discrepencies?

The Messenger (Muhammad SAW) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His messengers. They say, “We make no distinction between one another of His messengers” - and they say, “We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #285)

Those messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allah spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rooh-ul-Qudus (Jibrael (Gabriel)). If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allah had come to them, but they differed - some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allah had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allah does what He likes.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)

Contradiction?

If the writers were eyewitness, the question and the answer had to be the same. But it is not.

Not true. Again if we both saw a car accident we might very well describe it differnetly though we saw the same thing.

Indeed the concept was to have the eternal life. The answer was to follow the commandmends. What is the first commandmend?

M’r:12:29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR GOD is one Lord:

Again he said,

Joh:20:17: …I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God.

Jesus was saying about his God. Do you follow that? No. you believe Jesus himself is God.

Choose, faith is yours.

Because He said so, many times, in many ways.

My dear, if both are correct, both says about the same place, John 1:43 wouldn’t say then Jesus (pbuh) went to Galilee.

Don’t make stupid statements just to argue. I can give up the subject, but fact is fact. Choose, faith is yours.

Fact is fact. Why do you not see it?

I agree. Since all are correct, the exact wordings on the board was,

‘This is Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews’

But to find it, you have to go to the book

‘Gospels according to Verisimilitude’ -The fifth eyewitness.

Don’t you feel shame to make such claims?

No, but I often wonder the same about Muslims like yourself who defend Muhammad as you do.

The eyewitnesses were unable to read a board even correctly. And you claim divinity in what all they utter?

Yaa… even after all those problems and lies.

So answer please. Where did Muhammad get his information about Jesus?

 

[Booklover]

Sceintifical facts can be proved. Such as the claim of rainbow and sun set in murky water.

Until and unless we have complete knowledge of Jinn and devil I cannot prove it and you cannot disprove it.

Do you say there was no rain at all before Noah (pbuh)? amazing!! Ask a school child, he will tell you what causes to form a rainbow in the sky.

Quran dosen’t say sun set in the murky water.

*018.086 *
YUSUFALI: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”
PICKTHAL: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu’l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
SHAKIR: Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Vickie

 

[BelFarfalla]

Does that say, the prophet (pbuh) beat Ayesha (ra)? Does that conversation says about an angry husband? A beaten wife? read the rest after the struck and she felt pain. Do you see a beaten, weak, helpless wife?

She was asking advise from the prophet. Would that be her mental situation if she was beaten so hard?!!

Why are you so blind to the facts?

YOU are the one who is blind to the facts. It does not matter is she was weak and helpless. What matters is that he hit her and hurt her. Do you really think this was the only time? A man who hits his wife is a beast and does it over and over. Generally it escalates for time if he gets away with it.

If a husband hits a wife ONCE, she should leave him because it is all down hill from there. Sure there will be good times inbetween, but the hitting will increase with time.

With your attitude I feel very sorry for your wife.

 

[Onesimus]

No. He said he lived before Abraham. Jesus (pbuh) was talking about the eternal life for those who keep the word of God…?

Nope, sorry. That’s not what the text says.

“Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word.” - John 8:43

"The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.” John 10:33

 

[Khalfan]

Here is another story where Muhammad allowed a man to beat his wife until she had green bruses on her… thie is what Islam allows.

A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires. Note that Muhammad basically called her a liar… she said that her husband was impotent… Muhammad says the he cannot be because he had children… note that there are children old enough to run around… they have nothing to do about the man’s sexual abilities at the time of this incident.**
*Translation of Sahih Bukhari, **Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715: *
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa’a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Apostle came, 'Aisha said, “I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. ** Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!” **When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, “By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this,” holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, “By Allah, O Allah’s Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa’a.”

Allah’s Apostle said, to her, “If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you.” Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), “Are these your sons?” On that 'AbdurRahman said, “Yes.” The Prophet said, “You claim what you claim (i.e… that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,”

Wonderful!!! How can you lie so open???

She said to prophet (pbuh) that Abdu-rahman is impotent. When Prophet saw his children, prophet knew he is not. That clearly proved to him that she lied. But before that Abdu-rahman gave the reason why she make wrong claim of beating, that she wanted to remarry Rifaa. On that prophet said,

“IF that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa’a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you”

Because Islam doesn’t teach unjust with husband.

This woman was married earlier to Rifaa. They had a life together. Due to some reason they couldn’t continue and divorced when they had all those steps and the period between three TALAQs to tackle the situation and rejoin. But they didn’t.

Now, this Abdu-rahman married her and it is legal to have sex with her. But she made wrong allegation of impotence on him.

If she want to join Rifaa, Islam allows that but after fulfilling the right of Abdu-rahman as a husband.

Now the question of beating and the GREEN mark, since she was lying about his impotence, how can we believe she was true about the beating?

 

[Khalfan]

Come now. Are your keen analytical skill only good for deconstruction?

I’m not going to just hand it to you when you’re willing to expended so much effort to find problems.

Assume the statement is a riddle expend some of
that effort to unravel it.

No. You win. Tell me what does it say? A spherical earth?

 

[Onesimus]

YOU are the one who is blind to the facts. It does not matter is she was weak and helpless. What matters is that he hit her and hurt her…?

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
16But to what shall I liken this generation? It is like to children sitting in the markets, and calling to their fellows, 17And saying, We have piped to you, and ye have not danced; We have mourned to you, and ye have not lamented. 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a demon. 19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold, a man gluttonous, and a wine-bibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified by her children. - Matthew 11