Muhammad timeline.

[ahmadhassan]

let us see
QUOTE FROM BUKHARI VOLUME 5, #369
"Narrated Jabir Abdullah: “Allah’s messenger said “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?” Thereupon Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s messenger! Would you like that I kill him?” The prophet said, “Yes”. Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Ka’b). The prophet said, “You may say it.”
Maslama went to Ka’b and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad)
demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) [taxes] from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Ka’b said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.” Ka’b said, “Yes, but you should mortgage something to me.” Maslama and his companion said, What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so and so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you.”
Maslama and his companion promised Ka’b that Maslama would return to him. He came to Ka’b at night along with Ka’b’s foster brother, Abu Naila. Ka’b invited them to come into his fort and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Ka’b replied, None but Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Naila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if blood is dropping from him.” Ka’b said, "They are none by my brother Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.
Maslama went with two men. So Maslama went in together with two men, and said to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strike him. I will let you smell his head.”
Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Maslama said, “I have never smelt a better scent than this.” Ka’b replied, “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said “yes.” Maslama smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said “Yes”. When Maslama got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions) “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the prophet and informed him."END OF BUKHARI QUOTE
Note here that:

1. prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) wanted this man killed because he had “Hurt Allah and His apostle!”. Now then, how does a man hurt Allah?
2. prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) got someone else to do his dirty work. prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) did not partake in killing the man who was hurting Allah, and himself.
   3)prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) allowed Maslama to lie to draw Ka’b out of his home to murder him.

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[ahmadhassan]

its too long here is completion
Now we will examine other source references to this event.
From Ibn Hisham’s Sirat Rasul Allah (“The Life of the Prophet of God” - the oldest extant biography of prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him)), page 365. The background to his murder is that after the battle of Badr, Ka’b b. al-Ashraf was horrified by Muhammad’s victory, and the death of certain Arab leaders. I’ll start with Kab’s quote expressing his surprise at the Muslim victory.
QUOTE FROM THE SIRAT RASULALLAH
““Is this true? Did prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) actually kill these whom these two men mention? These are the nobles of the Arabs and kingly men; by God, if Muhammad has slain these people it were better to be dead than alive.” When the enemy of god became certain that the news was true he left the town and went to Mecca to stay with al-Muttalib who was married to Atika. She took him in and entertained him hospitably. He began to inveigh against the apostle and to recite verses in which he bewailed the Quraysh who were thrown into the pit after having been slain at Badr.”
The Sirat now lists some of the poems made up by Ka’b and others, which I will not list. Ibn Hisham’s narrative continues:
“Then he composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women. The apostle said - according to what Abdullah Burda told me, - “Who will rid me of Ibnu’l-Ashraf?” Maslama said, “I will deal with him for you, O apostle of God, I will kill him.” He said, “Do so if you can.” So Maslama returned and waited for three days without food or drink, apart from what was absolutely necessary. When the apostle was told of this he summoned him and asked him why he had given up eating and drinking. He replied that he had given him an undertaking and he did not know whether he could fulfill it. The apostle said, “All that is incumbent upon you is that you should try.” He said, “O apostle of god, we shall have to tell lies.” He answered, “Say what you like, for you are free in the matter.”
Thereupon he and Silkan [Abu Naila], and Abbad, and Harith, and Abu Abs Jabr conspired together and sent Silkan to the enemy of God, Ka’b b. Ashraf, before they came to him. He talked to him some time and they recited poetry one to the other, for Silkan was fond of poetry. Then he said, O Ibn Ashraf, I have come to you about a matter which I want to tell you of and wish you to keep secret.” “Very well”, he replied. He went on , “The coming of this man is a great trial to us. It has provoked the hostility of the Arabs, and they are all in league against us. The roads have become impassable so that our families are in want and privation, and we and our families are in great distress. Ka’b answered, “By god, I kept telling you O Ibn Salama, that the things I warned you of would happen.” Silkan said to him, 'I want you to sell us food and we will give you a pledge of security and you deal generously in the matter.” He replied, “Will you give me your sons as a pledge?” He said, “You want to insult us. I have friends who share my opinion and I want to bring them to you so that you many sell to them and act generously, and we will give you enough weapons for a good pledge.” Silkan’s object was that he should not take alarm at the sight of weapons when they brought them. Ka’b answered, “Weapons are a good pledge.”

 

[ahmadhassan]

Thereupon Silkan returned to his companions, told them what has happened, and ordered them to take their arms. Then they went away and assembled with him and met the apostle."
Thaur told me the apostle walked with them as far as Gharqad. Then he sent them off, saying, “Go in God’s name; O God help them.” So saying, he returned to his house. Now it was a moonlight night and they journeyed on until they came to his castle, and Abu Naila called out to him. He had only recently married and he jumped up in the bedsheet, and his wife took hold of the end of it and said, “You are at war, and those who are at war do not go out at this hour.” He replied, “It is Abu Naila. Had he found me sleeping he would not have woken me.” She answered, “by god, I can feel evil in his voice.” Ka’b answered, “Even if the call were for a stab a brave man must answer it.”
So he went down and talked to them for some time, while they conversed with him. then Abu Naila said, “Would you like to walk with us to Shib al-ajmuz, so that we can talk for the rest of the night?” “If you like”, he answered, so they went off walking together; and after a time Abu Naila ran his hand through his hair. Then he smelt his hand, and said, “I have never smelt a scent finer than this.” They walked on farther and he did the same so that Ka’b suspected no evil. Then after a space did it for the third time and cried, “Smite the enemy of God!” So they smote him, and their swords clashed over him with no effect. Maslama said, "I remembered my dagger when I saw that our swords were useless, and I seized it. Meanwhile the enemy of god had made such a noise that every fort around us was showing a light. I thrust it into the lower part of his body, then I bore down upon it until I reached his genitals, and the enemy of God fell to the ground.
Harith had been hurt, being wounded either in his head or in his foot, one of our swords having stuck him. We went away, passing by the Umayya and then the Qurayza and then both until we went up the Harra of Urayd. Our friend Harith had lagged behind, weakened by loss of blood, so we waited for him for some time until he came up, following our tracks. We carried him and brought him to the apostle at the end of the night. We saluted him as he stood praying, and he came out to us and we told him that we had killed god’s enemy. He spat upon our comrade’s wounds, and both he and we returned to our families. Our attack upon god’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Median who did not fear for his life.END OF QUOTE OF THE SIRAT RASUL ALLAH

 

[PapaSquash]

I don’t understand. Is this text supposed to be in defense of Mohammed?

 

[Verisimilitude]

I don’t understand. Is this text supposed to be in defense of Mohammed?

Yes. Amazing isn’t it?

 

[Verisimilitude]

For those voting “not important”, I am curious why you think it isn’t important to know about Muhammad in the context of Islam or the world today?

 

[ahmadhassan]

For those voting “not important”, I am curious why you think it isn’t important to know about Muhammad in the context of Islam or the world today?

but what is posted here is lies and i proved so

 

[paarsurrey]

Hardly! I just meant Catholics on this forum in particular and Christians in general. I did attend a Catholic school, though I have never had a religion, and know its teachings well. I had no intention of separating them. I have a hard time separating faiths at all, really, though I have certainly heard how religions and flavors of religion separate themselves (and occasionally, try to forgo those differences of doctrine).

Hi
Please remember that JWs maintain that they are the only Christians; we may or may not accept their claim, similarly for Protestants and others, as a rule.
Thanks
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing and All-Wise; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

 

[BelFarfalla]

but what is posted here is lies and i proved so

NO you proved that Muhammad was a murderer.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Since Muhammad was, at least at first, a pagan, and at best at last, a heretic, none of this matters ABOUT HIM.

It matters profoundly about the billions of people that, in the interim & those alive today, have been seduced/coerced/born into the totalitarian and, at times, profoundly violent religion he founded which, besides being a form of Judeo-Christian heresy, is totally at odds with the ways of God. God is not about force, but Islam, as I have seen it practiced, at least today, is all about coercion.

I myself pray for them all.

 

[paarsurrey]

AD 625, (AH 3), age 55

Hi
So , up to the age of 55, according to your research Muhammad was a peaceful person, by then most of the Quran had already been revealed; upto the age of 55 he made no aggression no killings,he used no coercive methods, even then there were many people of different ranks and positions who got attracted to the charisma of Muhammad ProphetMessenger and his teachings, they flocked around him in love. The Meccans could not tolerate this spreading of Islam by rational arguments and peaceful means, it was Meccans who started persecuting the converts to Islam, to the extent that many had to migrate to Habsha, a noble Christian Monarchy.
Is that correct? Please , feel free to respond. No compulsion whatsoever.
Thanks
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing and All-Wise; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

Thanks

 

[BelFarfalla]

paarsurrey:
Hi
So , up to the age of 55, according to your research Muhammad was a peaceful person, by then most of the Quran had already been revealed; upto the age of 55 he made no aggression no killings,he used no coercive methods, even then there were many people of different ranks and positions who got attracted to the charisma of Muhammad ProphetMessenger and his teachings, they flocked around him in love. The Meccans could not tolerate this spreading of Islam by rational arguments and peaceful means, it was Meccans who started persecuting the converts to Islam, to the extent that many had to migrate to Habsha, a noble Christian Monarchy.
Is that correct? Please , feel free to respond. No compulsion whatsoever.

Muhammad had almost no followers when he ran from Mecca to save his life… as I recall it was about 15 people who went with him to Medina… mostly family members. The majority of Meccans thought he was a lunatic. You say that people of different ranks and positions were attracted to Muhammad… yep; he was loved by a few and disliked tremendously by many.

He did not kill or force anyone in Mecca in the early years because he did not have the military power to do it. In Medina he was able to get enough people to join him. Then he had the ‘revelation’ that anyone who would help him fight the non-Muslims got to keep the wealth of those they fought. Well gee, that is a thief’s dream… the legitimacy to attack people to steal their wealth and sell them as slaves. Of course he also had a revelation that it was OK to rape the female captive before ransoming them or selling them. At this point he had no trouble finding thugs to join his ranks with such revelations.

A man judged by his entire life, not by only the first years of it. A person is only as good as the worst things they do.

 

[paarsurrey]

Muhammad had almost no followers when he ran from Mecca to save his life… as I recall it was about 15 people who went with him to Medina… mostly family members. The majority of Meccans thought he was a lunatic. You say that people of different ranks and positions were attracted to Muhammad… yep; he was loved by a few and disliked tremendously by many.

He did not kill or force anyone in Mecca in the early years because he did not have the military power to do it. In Medina he was able to get enough people to join him. Then he had the ‘revelation’ that anyone who would help him fight the non-Muslims got to keep the wealth of those they fought. Well gee, that is a thief’s dream… the legitimacy to attack people to steal their wealth and sell them as slaves. Of course he also had a revelation that it was OK to rape the female captive before ransoming them or selling them. At this point he had no trouble finding thugs to join his ranks with such revelations.

A man judged by his entire life, not by only the first years of it. A person is only as good as the worst things they do.

Hi
I gather from your posts that you, Verisimilitude and my other Christian friends on this forum are somewhat unanimous; if I have correctly understood their view point; that Muhammad was a very peaceful, truthful and humble person before the period GodAllahYHWH appointed him his ProphetMessenger at the age of forty. Even the InfidelsofMecca had no complaint against him in this regard. During the period of thirteen years of ProphethoodMessengership he was the same kind person who would not harm any person, even if the InfidelsofMecca persecuted him and his followers for this new faith called Islam. The persecution was one sided i.e. from the InfidelsofMecca. For fifty three years he was not an aggressor. Even for two years of Medina up to AD 625, (AH 3), age 55, he was a law abiding person; in all for **fifty five **years he was a kind person on present standards. Please get me corrected if I am wrong.
Thanks

 

[ahmadhassan]

Since Muhammad was, at least at first, a pagan, and at best at last, a heretic, none of this matters ABOUT HIM.

It matters profoundly about the billions of people that, in the interim & those alive today, have been seduced/coerced/born into the totalitarian and, at times, profoundly violent religion he founded which, besides being a form of Judeo-Christian heresy, is totally at odds with the ways of God. God is not about force, but Islam, as I have seen it practiced, at least today, is all about coercion.

I myself pray for them all.

if you proved that i will leave that site ,but if you didnt i will understand how brainwashed you are

 

[Booklover]

battles happened but its justified can you prove its not in a new thread

Everything Muhammad did is justified by Muslims, even his lusting and having sex with a child! I’m sure that if Muhammad had committed incest, Muslims would also find it acceptable!

Vickie

 

[ahmadhassan]

Everything Muhammad did is justified by Muslims, even his lusting and having sex with a child! I’m sure that if Muhammad had committed incest, Muslims would also find it acceptable!

Vickie

you are really brainwashed ,i asked you to give proof if you have but you dont

 

[Mickey]

We have to look at everything Muhammad did, not just what he did until he was 53. After 53 he turned into a war lord to brought death and distruction to thousands of innocent people.

I would like to see a muslim response to this.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Hi
So , up to the age of 55, according to your research Muhammad was a peaceful person, by then most of the Quran had already been revealed

Since the Qur’an is not in any chronological order how do you know this? Many of the verses speak of the many battles and events (such as hijab) that are after AH 1.

upto the age of 55 he made no aggression no killings,he used no coercive methods, even then there were many people of different ranks and positions who got attracted to the charisma of Muhammad ProphetMessenger and his teachings, they flocked around him in love.

The first convert was Kadijja, and the next few were children and slaves in his household. Abu Bekr may well be considered the first real convert, but few others are recorded to have accepted Islam or Muhammad as a prophet. His uncle never did.

If so many flocked around him in love, why was there a boycott?

The Meccans could not tolerate this spreading of Islam by rational arguments and peaceful means, it was Meccans who started persecuting the converts to Islam, to the extent that many had to migrate to Habsha, a noble Christian Monarchy.

Was that before or after the revelation not to take Christians as friends and protectors?

Is that correct? Please , feel free to respond. No compulsion whatsoever.
Thanks

No, I do not think you are correct. You’re welcome.

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

There is a reason your view of Islam is a very small minority. I wish you could understand why.

GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing and All-Wise; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

Thanks

If only Muhammad understood that.

 

[Mickey]

Since the Qur’an is not in any chronological order how do you know this? Many of the verses speak of the many battles and events (such as hijab) that are after AH 1.

Excellent point!

 

[ahmadhassan]

I would like to see a muslim response to this.

is there a proof?