Multiculturalism?

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I don’t see a problem with multiculturalism as long as those immigrants understand they must obey the laws of the country they are migrating to…they can bring many benefits to their adopted country…especially food…European countries…Asian countries…African countries…even right here on our southern border…Mexico…etc…such diverse gastronomic cultures…their colorful festivals…even their religions or religious practices…these and many other ways they can enrich our own culture…look how American culture has shaped much of the world in entertainment…music…movies…TV…generations of kids outside of the US have grown up watching and listening to…and even copying American culture…I’m sure most countries require new citizens make an affirmation or oath of allegiance to obey and follow the laws of their new country…that includes any religious or cultural laws that are contrary to the laws they have sworn to obey…if they can’t abide or accept those conditions then they should be rejected.
 
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Aquinas11 said:
In multiple posts you’ve refused to condemn
(1) a man killing his wife with a claw hammer for cheating on him
(2) parents tying their daughter down and killing her for dating an African American

because both killers asserted foreign cultural norms in the killings and thus multiculturalism forbids you condemning the killings.
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I didn’t think I was required to state the obvious. I condemn those things. So did the Asian groups mentioned.

You have a strange idea of “multiculturalism.” Care to define it? Seems others are similarly perplexed.
 
Peaceable said:
I didn’t think I was required to state the obvious. I condemn those things. So did the Asian groups mentioned.
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Ok so now you believe it’s “obvious” to not be sensitive to culture of immigrants to condemn the killings. Can’t condemn the killings and be sensitive to culture of the immigrants.

After the post that “many minorities” aren’t “‘model citizens” or “good Christians”, dont think there is credibility to cite “Asian groups”
 
That is more a problem of relativism, where good or bad is what you or your culture determine instead of a more objective view of what is good or evil.
 
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in their native culture, a daughter dating another race is very shameful and killing her customary and we need to be sensitive to their culture”
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This is not really true. I’m of Middle Eastern heritage (not Palestinian) and I can assure you that this is not a cultural (or customary!) thing- at all- anywhere in the Middle East. I was actually shocked by the story you posted and was more than a bit disgusted by what the mother said. She and her husband should have been punished severely. To be fair, some conservative Middle Eastern groups may hold such bizarre beliefs-the murder of West Bank resident Israa Gharib by her family for dating a guy behind their back comes to mind- but this is by no means a “cultural thing” in Palestine or in the rest of the Middle East. In fact, Israa Gharib’s murder sent shockwaves and there were demonstrations protesting it in many Palestinian cities and towns.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...bank-protest-women-death-190904163542359.html


So really, this has nothing to do with culture. It’s rather the result of a sick patriarchal mindset that views women as possessions to be hidden away for “honor” and that is not unique to any one culture.
 
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I’m sorry, I did not mean to imply that you said that. I was merely responding to content in your post. Should have clarified.
 
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Not possible?

I don’t think it’s “you can’t learn about many cultures” but more a “you don’t want to learn about many cultures.” Human beings are very smart. They’re capable of learning about a lot of things. Trust me.

I realize it’s just an anecdote but I think it illustrates my point. I am American. But my maternal great-grandfather was born in Sweden, oddly enough. We even have his Ellis Island paperwork still. He married a Danish woman. That grandmother married a man (my grandfather) whose parents came from Denmark also. They all spoke Danish around the house. We still say the prayer every holiday dinner “I Jesu navn går vi til bords… Etc etc”. We even have baptismal and marriage records going back to the 1880s. Just found them in my late grandmother’s things.

On my father’s side, my grandfather was native Hawaiian of Japanese ancestry. My grandmother French and Scottish. My grandfather adopted my father though. So my brother and I look like Vikings, but with Japanese names.

We grew up around San Francisco. Near a community that was almost entirely Mexican immigrants. Our school was bilingual in that enclave. My best friend at the time was Filipino. At high school I met new friends - my oldest and dearest has Finnish and German grandparents born in the old country. Additionally my first job when I was 16 was with a restaurant owned and run by Arab Syrians who fled Syria in the very early 80s. And my longest job ever I worked side by side with an elderly Sikh man for about 10 years.

Now to my point of that long rambling story. Just through osmosis I’ve learned quite a bit about 1) American 2) Swedish 3) Danish 4) Japanese 5) Hawaiian 6) Mexican 7) Filipino 8) Finnish 9) German 10) Syrian/Arab 11) Indian/Punjabi cultures by the time I was 25. 11. Without really trying, just living my life.

I don’t say this to toot my own horn or try to win cosmopolitan points. After all, just being exposed to cultures doesn’t mean you understand them completely. I bring this all up just because it’s a personal example I’m sure of that shows a human can learn quite a bit about other cultures if they approach it with an open mind.
 
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Salibi said:
This is not really true. I’m of Middle Eastern heritage (not Palestinian) and I can assure you that this is not a cultural (or customary!)
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I was wondering if a culturr with lots of religion can accept such a thing.
I am not too familiar with Islamic groups but Christian groups ussually do not accept such things.
And Middle East seem to be diverse.
There is not just one single culture there.
 
jesusmademe said:
but Christian groups ussually do not accept such thing
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Not usually. We NEVER accept such things.

Most Muslims also don’t accept it. Some very conservative groups may advocate for it, but any actual murder is punishable by law where I live.
 
Really? “Honor killings” have nothing to do with culture? We can read you know! There’s obviously a huge overlap of “Honor killings” within the Islamic regions of the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia (and places where immigrants from those regions reside).

 
As explained above, honor killings are the result of patriarchal mentalities, not culture. The very fact that they are present in locations are far off from each other as the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia is in fact proof of this. And no, it’s not just the Muslims.
 
I see – patriarchal mentality has nothing to do with culture. Okay. And Islam has nothing to do with honor killings. Okay.
 
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