Muslim fury grows at Pope's speech

[estesbob]

Uh, no one attacked estesbob, but in fact he just accused me of being a pretend Catholic Christian.

I am sincerely sorry if I came across as accusing you as being a pretend Chsitian.

Specifically I was trying to point out that:

1, The Pope is not chosen via the “free will” of the the Cardinals-he is Chosen by God

1. You have a very flawed understanding of what Apostolic Suucession means.

 

[Damascus]

I ask this question sincerely…of you all here…is it right to condemn another faith, or should we just witness our loving ways and emulate Christ, in order to bring people to Christ? I have a difficult time pointing the finger at someone who is not Christian and saying…‘you’re wrong, and you’re going to Hell.’ Know what I mean? Can someone help me better understand that??

This was actually meant to be a separate thought…has nothing to do with the pope’s speech…i reread my words, and this is a question, that I pose to all on here when preaching the Gospel to non-Christians? I know some who point fingers and believe that non-Christians are doomed to Hell…that is why I ask this. It had no relevance on the pope whatsoever…I didn’t mean to imply that the pope was condeming anyone’s faith. My statement is a question, that has trickled down from the pope’s speech, from those who are non Christians, and have asked me questions about our pope…so, I was asking how to witness to those? How others witness?

Your tone lacks charity and patience, Damascus.

Thanks for admitting you went way off topic and hyjacked this thread which is all about the Pope’s speech-
Not evangelization or alleged finger pointing Catholics that do not understand the teaching on Hell in the CCC.
In fact- what did you address that was relevant to the original post?

 

[whatevergirl]

Thanks for admitting you went way off topic and hyjacked this thread which is all about the Pope’s speech-
Not evangelization or alleged finger pointing Catholics that do not understand the teaching on Hell in the CCC.
In fact- what did you address that was relevant to the original post?

you should consider anger management. I’ve apologized…not that i even had that much to apologize for, but for the sake of peace…i’m willing to admit that i went off topic. I didn’t know you were policing the boards. LOL

Your need to berate me at this point, after I’ve apologized…is telling of how you practice your faith, Damascus.

 

[jonfan]

Thanks for admitting you went way off topic and hyjacked this thread which is all about the Pope’s speech-
Not evangelization or alleged finger pointing Catholics that do not understand the teaching on Hell in the CCC.
In fact- what did you address that was relevant to the original post?

I think Whatevergirl’s post was relevant as people seem to be getting as angry on this thread as the Muslim extremist who want us dead. I don’t think you should treat another Catholic that way. We are all one in Christ.

God bless,
Jon

 

[whatevergirl]

Thank you, dear jonfan. You are right.

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

I think Whatevergirl’s post was relevant as people seem to be getting as angry on this thread as the Muslim extremist who want us dead. I don’t think you should treat another Catholic that way. We are all one in Christ.

God bless,
Jon

I agree. While I am more in agreement with what Damascus has said in regards to the issue of the Pope, Muslim response, etc, I do feel he has been a little too hostile with whatever girl.

 

[Taliesin52]

something about this whole situation smells fishy. not once in the speech did he directly accuse islam of violence. the worst that he said was his quoute of the byzantium emperor, but right after that he stressed those were not his own words. so then why are so many muslims thinking those were his words? how is this news being reported in muslim areas vs ours? what is the text of what they are hearing and reading regrading what the holy father said? is it possible those who seek war in Iran perhaps might have twisted the popes words to make muslims angy, hence justifying a “war of civilizations” which includes a nuclear attack on Iran? I believe that is a very justified question considering that during the mohammad cartoon episode that the owner of the danish newspaper was himself connected to several prominent neo-conservative groups in the US and pressured his editors to print those cartoons as a way of forcing a division between muslims and the rest of the world

So we Neoconservatives like the current US President have great control over the press? Is it the piles and piles of pro-Bush stories in every newspaper and newsoutlet out there that make you belive this?

 

[gilliam]

THE ANCHORESS:
Any intelligent human being understands that one does not - in the 21st century - publicly touch on the subject of Islamic jihad and religious compulsion, no matter how delicately or distinctively, unless one wants to deal with a reaction that is both primitive and intimidating, by a group demonstrably closed to dialogue.
And yet Benedict, clearly an intelligent man, has done so. He has, in essence, dared to say to Islam, “Is this really what you want to be doing, in this century? The rest of the world’s religions have put away the swords…how about we talk?”
Up to now, no one has come out and said that to Islam. The Pope is the first.

 

[Leeta]

The lecture is fantastic and it was directed to Germans in particular and the West in general, and not particularly to Muslims.
He challanged the Germans to think about their and our attempt to live as if their is no God and to reject and even have contempt for what is holy. As I watched him say this live on Bavarian TV, I thought that this lecture would interest a German Muslim friend and would be a dialog starter to show the Muslims and Hindus that the problem in the West is our lack of faith in God and that it has grave consequences for the rest of the world when we stop believing in God and that it is good for them when we believe in God and rewpect all that is holy.
My Muslim friend says that America sends rock music, bad movies and sleaze throughout the Muslim world and this is what Muslim sees as America and they, like Pope Benedict said in the lecture, feel threatened by it and especially by our contempt for the holy, even for our own holy things.(like Madonna in the upcoming TV special is going to do again with the cross.)

Rock music, she said, is especially culture-destroying. So for all those who think that rock music is benign, let them think about that.

I am amazed that some Muslims take offense. They obviously have not read the speech.

There are many Muslims like my friend who would be great allies in our fight against sleaze and blasphemy, but Christians are too afraid to talk with them or else they don’t care if our Lord is blasphemed.
When the ‘Last Temptation of Christ’ was being performed in Heilbronn, Germany a few years ago, guess who came out in big numbers, a 100 +? My friend’s mosque came out. Their were about 20 protestants and a a couple of Catholics.
When there were 3 meter high placards put up all across town with a topless woman, who called up to complain to the advertiser besides myself? This Muslim friend and her ladies.
She was very impressed with the writings of John Paul II.

Last time I talked with her she asked me about what Mormons believe since some were showing up in her German neighborhood. I told her they had a lot in common with Islam.

The Pope did not apologise. I say let the lecture be read and widely discussed throughout the Western world especially.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Yes, he should repeat it every day so we can either get the more thoughtful Muslims to talk or get the radicals to fully expose themselves.

CDL

 

[Damascus]

or get the radicals to fully expose themselves.

CDL

Under those masks they wear? That sounds like full exposure to me…

 

[April-Lisa_N]

April,

“Islam” was NOT promised by God to Ishmael, son of Hagar by Abraham. Check the Scripture on that, please. God did promise that Ishmael would be a great nation, but Islam itself was NOT mentioned in that text. And, by the way, Ishmael was NOT viewed as the the “son of the promise” - that was reserved for Isaac, the son of Abraham through his wife, Sarah.

yes, you’re correct in all, Isaac is “SON OF THE PROMISE”, i never said Ishmael was, although it may have sounded like that, am not really good wit’ words. i grow up around muslims, and what i’ve been taught is that Islam means “submitting to God” so anyone who does so is considered a muslim. Islam never started with Ishmael as i stated earlier (don’t judge me for this, i read in a history book), a muslim friend of mine just told me that it started from Adam. i guess the reason why i thought Islam began with Ishmael, was because of a promise made to Hagar in the desert, the only bit i can remember was that his sons descendant would have “many enemies.” and well Muslims, tend to have quite many enemies right now.