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Its very obvious where I stand. Just went to Israel Embassy the other day to show my support.
 
Well if your asking where I reside, I live in Mindanao, Philippines. The government gave tight security on their building in Manila, they removed the flags so people may less notice the location of the embassy. Fanatic muslim youth in my country just demonstrated the other week calling for Israels destruction.
 
hamba2han said:
In a nutshell, this indeed is the problem with the Christian view of morality.

Many Christians just do not care much about what is right or wrong in the eyes of the Lord.

The Muslim view is that the right to determine what is morally right or wrong is the sole domain of God.
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I am saying that because I am too lazy arguing about this subject with you Muslims. Besides your mind is already closed to reasoning that anything I said which don’t support Hamas will be always wrong to you. You are a confessed Muslim extremist whose objective is the extermination of Israel. For you there is no place for Israel in the Middle East and I cannot see that as anything but evil.

Anyway, you may think that you are right in the eyes of the Lord but ultimately only God can decide whether indeed you are right or not. You are already proven wrong on Christianity and I thought Islam is false, so there is no guarantee that Muslims are right in all this. It would be better for you if you start humbly then at least you have room to manoeuvre to rectify your position on the matter when you are being pointed to be wrong. But I guess admission of ever making a mistake might be not in your vocabulary so I am wasting my time with you. :yawn:
 
hamba2han said:
This is a moral question… and so Christians really should refer to the teachings of the Bible for divine guidance in order for them to arrive at the correct decision in the eyes of the Lord.
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Thank you for the link which frankly I have not visited yet. I just happen to know about Christian morality - that killing is wrong and revenge is wrong and love is right. Now please apply that to the present war and what I have said regarding it and what you think about it.
 
And what make you think Christians will listen to you who is a Muslim extremist teaching us about the Bible? :eek:

And may I add - a book that you think is corrupted.
 
hamba2han said:
In a nutshell, this indeed is the problem with the Christian view of morality.

Many Christians just do not care much about what is right or wrong in the eyes of the Lord.

The Muslim view is that the right to determine what is morally right or wrong is the sole domain of God.
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Where does God tell the Muslims that every jew must leave Israel or that Israel must be taken by Muslims.

If this is what muslims believe then I have to conclude that they believe they are morally obligated to destroy my people no matter what. And so then Israel has no choice but to destroy its muslims neighbors. Or am I missing something in your logic?
 
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Salaam/ Peace
Reuben_J said:
my support would be Israel perhaps because I see it as the David as opposed to the Goliath .
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Muslims believe David (p) was a Prophet of God Almighty & he never killied any innocent person , specially children. In last 3 weeks only , Israel killed minimum 400 Childeren.

Avi Shlaim

… The Biblical injunction of an eye for an eye is savage enough. But Israel’s insane offensive against Gaza seems to follow the logic of an eye for an eyelash

informationclearinghouse…ticle21681.htm
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/ Peace

Muslims believe David (p) was a Prophet of God Almighty & he never killied any innocent person , specially children. In last 3 weeks only , Israel killed minimum 400 Childeren.

Avi Shlaim

… The Biblical injunction of an eye for an eye is savage enough. But Israel’s insane offensive against Gaza seems to follow the logic of an eye for an eyelash

informationclearinghouse…ticle21681.htm
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And how many more Muslims will keep killing innocent Cristians AND Jews? How can you ignore these facts? The fact is that you ignore my posts because I have stated many times what Islam does and why if a religion at all, a very violent one. Why do you ignore this?
I know people who say they wished every Muslim would fall off the face of the earth. Then we’d have peace.
 
Valke2 said:
Where does God tell the Muslims that every jew must leave Israel or that Israel must be taken by Muslims.

If this is what muslims believe then I have to conclude that they believe they are morally obligated to destroy my people no matter what. And so then Israel has no choice but to destroy its muslims neighbors. Or am I missing something in your logic?
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This ONLY way to have lasting peace in the region is to return to the past i.e. the time when the Holy Land was ruled and administered by Muslims who strictly adhered to the true teachings of Islam and peaceful Jews can take comfort in the actions of one of the greatest Muslims in history:

After being banished by the Romans for hundreds of years, the Jews were invited to return to Jerusalem during the time of Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him), the 2nd Caliph of Islam.

From Wikipedia:

Upon taking Jerusalem, Umar demonstrated the utmost respect for members of the other faiths living in the city. For the first time in 500 years since their expulsion from the Holy Land, Jews were allowed to practice their religion freely and live in the vicinity of Jerusalem. According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica, seventy Jewish families took up residence in the city. Umar also agreed to several pacts, called the Covenant of Omar, with the local Christian population, determining their rights and obligations under Muslim rule.

Therefore, this clearly shows that Muslim administrators who wish to faithfully adhere to the true teachings of Islam are obligated to take great care of peaceful and practicing Jews in the Holy Land.
 
hamba2han said:
This ONLY way to have lasting peace in the region is to return to the past i.e. the time when the Holy Land was ruled and administered by Muslims who strictly adhered to the true teachings of Islam
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God forbid. But at least you answered my question. IN your opinion, muslims should not stop fighting jews agree to be ruled by muslims. So if you are right, war will never end because this will never happen.

You keep refering to a historical time when muslims were not killing jews as if that could possibly justify your position that Jews must be ruled by muslims.

If that is the only choice, then you should know that Israel will chose fight every time. And if it hasn’t become clear to you yet, the palestinians will get the short end of that stick every time.
 
Valke2 said:
Where does God tell the Muslims that every jew must leave Israel or that Israel must be taken by Muslims.

If this is what muslims believe then I have to conclude that they believe they are morally obligated to destroy my people no matter what. And so then Israel has no choice but to destroy its muslims neighbors. Or am I missing something in your logic?
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"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. **Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."**

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, chapter 17:100-104]
templemount.org/quranland.html
 
Valke2 said:
… You keep refering to a historical time when muslims were not killing jews as if that could possibly justify your position that Jews must be ruled by muslims…
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I keep referring to a time when Muslims faithfully adhered to the true teachings of Islam.

Peaceful and religiously-minded Jews and Christians have nothing to fear or worry about when Muslim administrators of the land faithfully adhere to the true teachings of Islam.
 
I guess they use history books written by radical muslims, so for them it is not a lie, but the absolute truth.😃
 
hamba2han said:
I keep referring to a time when Muslims faithfully adhered to the true teachings of Islam.

Peaceful and religiously-minded Jews and Christians have nothing to fear or worry about when Muslim administrators of the land faithfully adhere to the true teachings of Islam.
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We can look forward to being ruled as those in Afghanistan? Or Syria? Or Saudia Arabia? You are right, these places are just like Club Med for Jews. I can only imagine how wonderful our lives will be under Muslim rule.
 
From Wikipedia:

Upon taking Jerusalem, Umar demonstrated the utmost respect for members of the other faiths living in the city. For the first time in 500 years since their expulsion from the Holy Land, Jews were allowed to practice their religion freely and live in the vicinity of Jerusalem. **According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica**, seventy Jewish families took up residence in the city. Umar also agreed to several pacts, called the Covenant of Omar, with the local Christian population, determining their rights and obligations under Muslim rule.

Does the ‘Encyclopaedia Judaica’ acknowledge the truth of history which was written by “radical Muslims”?
 
The pact of Omar codified the Jizyah tax to be paid by the Jews and the Christians alike. No sale.
Having received partial truth, Jews and Christians were to be tolerated and allowed to exist under Islamic rule and indeed to be protected by the rulers. As Ahl al dhimmis (protected people) they were allowed full autonomy in their internal affairs and could engage in most occupations - both of which did not exist for Jews in Christian Europe. Their synagogues, churches and personal property were protected and they could travel freely through Moslem lands except for Arabia itself.
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**However, so that they would be encouraged to convert to Islam, they were to be made “uncomfortable” in a variety of ways, known as the Covenant of Omar (“till they pay the tribute readily, offered on the back of their hands, in a state of humiliation” sura 9:29)). These included special additional taxes (jiziya poll tax and haradj produce tax), the wearing of distinctive yellow clothes and prohibition of riding horses or wearing swords, etc. They were to always hold a position inferior to the Moslem, could never be in a position of commanding a Moslem and were to be generally scorned. **
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(From this page, emphasis added)
 
Valke2 said:
We can look forward to being ruled as those in Afghanistan? Or Syria? Or Saudia Arabia? You are right, these places are just like Club Med for Jews. I can only imagine how wonderful our lives will be under Muslim rule.
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Religious Jews would not have a problem at all living under Muslim rule.

Only secular Jews would find it unbearable.

The Covenant that the Almighty made with the Children of Israel was with the religious among them who gratefully accepted His conditions, NOT with the secular ones who reject the very notion of turning Israel into a “kingdom of priests and an holy nation” as in Exodus 19:6.
 
Why do you spend so much time here, Hamba2han, telling people of other religions what their scriptures mean?
 
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