My first encounter with an Abortionist

[Celia]

infabilly:

So what if a woman got impregnated from being raped, and she wanted an abortion… would you be for it or against it then?

I don’t really see how that compares with someone that has had FOUR abortions for no good reason, first of all…it’s a completely different situation.

Second, they still should have the child…albeit that would be a very, very hard and unbelievable thing to have to do - you would pray that someone in that situation would have God’s grace to lead them through it and offer the child up for adoption if they feel they won’t be able to raise the child themselves.

 

[CatholicSam]

infabilly:

So what if a woman got impregnated from being raped, and she wanted an abortion… would you be for it or against it then?

What do you think, infabilly? I’m getting the impression that you think that rape is an acceptable occasion for killing a baby. Sort of like, Eeww, a rape… oh what the heck, let’s throw in a murder while we’re at it. Sorry for being sarcastic, but how people can say that abortions should be allowed in the case of rape completely escapes me.

 

[LSK]

twiztedseraph:

I feel thy pain brother. She killed four of her own Children. I’m tearing up now, I just can’t comprehend it. I’m a teen guy that loves kids, I play with them before and after mass (usually the choir needs to set up and theres a baby or two and I get to roll around with em, they’re so friggin innocent and cute, you just wanna like, squish 'em). How can anyone look at the face of a 2 year old Child and not be pro life?

And the way abortion occurs, they use the forceps to tear the kids head off…Aww God.

First of all, you have no idea what is in this woman’s heart. If you are both Catholic, I am going to suggest that you do an examination of conscience right now to determine if you have just pronounced a judgement upon someone as cruel and disgusting without knowing their heart and if, therefore, you have committed a sin against charity.

This woman may be very depressed and not be able, because of feelings of being judged, hated and misunderstood, to come forward for healing. This is how many of us who were outside of the loving, understanding and forgiving arms of the Holy Mother Church felt for many many years. We did not come forward and ask for help because we were afraid we would be told we were disgusting. Then, when we made decisions that were mortal sins we were afraid to ask for help because we were afraid we would be told we were cruel and disgusting.

You have been given some wonderful advice about prayer. I would also suggest you look into the Rachel Project near your parish and see how you, as a good Catholic man, can help. You may find some way to soften your approach so that you can help women who have strayed through fear and feelings of abandonment back to the loving, forgiving arms of the Holy Mother Church. This may also be a wonderful way to atone for any sins against charity you may have inadvertently committed in your wonderful zeal to protect the lives of the innocent.

May God continue to work with you and through you, My wonderful brothers in Christ!

 

[shannin]

newf:

It isn’t petty grammar. It is keeping clear what you are speaking about that’s all. When I first read your title, I thought you were speaking about someone who commits the act. After reading your post, I saw that you were speaking about something different.
If your ego is such that you cannot handle a correction, that’s a pity.

One of two things: Newf is either having a bad day or is just plain rude

 

[koda]

CatholicSam:

What do you think, infabilly? I’m getting the impression that you think that rape is an acceptable occasion for killing a baby. Sort of like, Eeww, a rape… oh what the heck, let’s throw in a murder while we’re at it. Sorry for being sarcastic, but how people can say that abortions should be allowed in the case of rape completely escapes me.

Maybe it’s because you’ve never been raped. I’m not saying an abortion in this case is right but I find it much easier to understand and you might try feeling a little more compassion and being a little less judgemental about someone who has lived through this horror. Rape is brutal and leaves deep psychological scars, not to mention the physical brutality. The baby is a connection to the rapist, the person who brutalized you and that’s just more than some women can bear. If I was raped and impregnated I’m not sure what I would do.

 

[LSK]

However, we have hijacked the thread. The OP was overwhelmed by a seemingly callous sharing of information by a woman who told him she had had ‘about four’ abortions. He could not fathom someone having had four abortions, and another poster referred to someone who had had four abortions as ‘cruel and disgusting’.

I know it is difficult to believe that a woman could have had that many abortions and seemingly share that information as though it does not bother her. What I will tell you is that many times someone who is deeply hurt, depressed, guilt ridden and scarred by an experience - any experience - will act as though it did not affect them in order to appear ok in the face of what they perceive as negative personal judgement from another person. Now this perception may be incorrect. However, if one is going to be an effective pro-life advocate it is important to understand how a woman may feel if she has had an abortion and she ‘hears’ anger, cruelty, judgement and derision - especially from a man. She is less likely to say, “You are right. I had four abortions. It was the worst thing I ever did. I felt abandonned, abused, raped, discarded by society and less than a person. I felt that God had left me and I had no where to turn, and the only people who were nice to me were in a building marked “Planned Parenthood”. They told me this was a choice…and that I would be better off if I did this…I wish I had never done it. What do I do now?”

If, however, she sees a face that is shocked, angry and looks at her with disgust what she is likely to say in response to that face is “Yeah. I had four abortions. No one else was around to help me…so what’s it to you, buster?”.

Now, we all know, as Catholics, what our DUTY is…it is to spread the GOSPEL…the question is…do you want to spread it in such a way that it is heard or in such a way that it is out right rejected?

 

[CatholicSam]

koda:

Maybe it’s because you’ve never been raped. I’m not saying an abortion in this case is right but I find it much easier to understand and you might try feeling a little more compassion and being a little less judgemental about someone who has lived through this horror. Rape is brutal and leaves deep psychological scars, not to mention the physical brutality. The baby is a connection to the rapist, the person who brutalized you and that’s just more than some women can bear. If I was raped and impregnated I’m not sure what I would do.

If you kept close to Jesus and the sacraments and consulted a priest about such an important matter, you wouldn’t murder your child, that’s what. I’m not talking about you personally, but anyone.

 

[infabilly]

@CatholicSam & Celia:
Well if they’re not emotionally/financially ready to have a child… or if they have some internal problems and aren’t able to give birth. shrug

Meh, I just think too much about abortion and pregnancy complications, but that’s what I get for watching/read stories about them.
I’m all for abortion, but if a woman is sexually active and not thinking about the consequences then she should keep the baby.

But it’s the lady’s choice to get “about four” abortions. Maybe later she’ll break down and get help to deal with it. If you all think “she’s going to hell” for it, then yay. HAHA. Some people are sick enough to the point where an abortion wouldn’t bother them at all. People have different views, opinions, and emotions.
An acquaintence of mine knows a woman who’s had quite a few abortions because she wanted her baby to be born on Halloween.

 

[twiztedseraph]

LSK:

First of all, you have no idea what is in this woman’s heart. If you are both Catholic, I am going to suggest that you do an examination of conscience right now to determine if you have just pronounced a judgement upon someone as cruel and disgusting without knowing their heart and if, therefore, you have committed a sin against charity.

This woman may be very depressed and not be able, because of feelings of being judged, hated and misunderstood, to come forward for healing. This is how many of us who were outside of the loving, understanding and forgiving arms of the Holy Mother Church felt for many many years. We did not come forward and ask for help because we were afraid we would be told we were disgusting. Then, when we made decisions that were mortal sins we were afraid to ask for help because we were afraid we would be told we were cruel and disgusting.

You have been given some wonderful advice about prayer. I would also suggest you look into the Rachel Project near your parish and see how you, as a good Catholic man, can help. You may find some way to soften your approach so that you can help women who have strayed through fear and feelings of abandonment back to the loving, forgiving arms of the Holy Mother Church. This may also be a wonderful way to atone for any sins against charity you may have inadvertently committed in your wonderful zeal to protect the lives of the innocent.

May God continue to work with you and through you, My wonderful brothers in Christ!

I never specified judgement on anyone, whats it with people on this particular forum to jumping to conclusions? Another guy accuses me of having a big ego 'cause i got annoyed that they come here to correct a misused word instead of contributing. Now you quote my exasperation on not being able to understand how someone can kill their own child and say i may have pronounced judgement. I never said anything bad about anyone, merely pity at their actions and the victims of those actions.

Is it just this forum, or is it cause you’re all american

 

[infabilly]

twiztedseraph:

I never specified judgement on anyone, whats it with people on this particular forum to jumping to conclusions? Another guy accuses me of having a big ego 'cause i got annoyed that they come here to correct a misused word instead of contributing. Now you quote my exasperation on not being able to understand how someone can kill their own child and say i may have pronounced judgement. I never said anything bad about anyone, merely pity at their actions and the victims of those actions.

Is it just this forum, or is it cause you’re all american

We’re fatties! :crying:

 

[twiztedseraph]

infabilly:

We’re fatties! :crying:

I was kidding around…though alot of you guys are really loud overseas.

 

[infabilly]

twiztedseraph:

I was kidding around…though alot of you guys are really loud overseas.

As was I.
How loud? XD

 

[twiztedseraph]

infabilly:

As was I.
How loud? XD

Preetty darn loud Walking around Pompei or Paris, no doubt whatsoever where the yanks are But hey, even if just one of them was saying even one word about the Church, its all worth it. I think Mother Angelica impacted you guys too much:thumbsup:

 

[Celia]

@CatholicSam & Celia:
Well if they’re not emotionally/financially ready to have a child… or if they have some internal problems and aren’t able to give birth. shrug

Meh, I just think too much about abortion and pregnancy complications, but that’s what I get for watching/read stories about them.
I’m all for abortion, but if a woman is sexually active and not thinking about the consequences then she should keep the baby.

But it’s the lady’s choice to get “about four” abortions. Maybe later she’ll break down and get help to deal with it. If you all think “she’s going to hell” for it, then yay. HAHA. Some people are sick enough to the point where an abortion wouldn’t bother them at all. People have different views, opinions, and emotions.
An acquaintence of mine knows a woman who’s had quite a few abortions because she wanted her baby to be born on Halloween.

Hey, I have no idea who’s going to hell and who isn’t. That isn’t for me to know - frankly it’s none of my business. It’s their’s and God’s. But I do know what is a morally reprehensible action and what isn’t. And manipulating the God given gift of life to fit your own selfish purposes (Halloween??) doesn’t cut it with me.

If they are not “emotionally or financially ready” then they shouldn’t be having sex in the first place. gasp Horrors, I know, that we could expect people to have control over themselves, but it can be done, if you respect life. What was that that Janet Smith said in that Contraception talk? “If you don’t want to go to Cleveland (or somewhere) why are you on the train?” (obviously, rape is a different situation…not that abortion is warranted…but it’s still different than someone who made the choice to have sex but doesn’t want to deal with the consequences. Just wanted to get that straight.)

I certainly hope that the people that have these multiple abortions realize the severity of their actions someday. As for their eternity, like I said, that’s God’s business.

 

[paramedicgirl]

infabilly:

So what if a woman got impregnated from being raped, and she wanted an abortion… would you be for it or against it then?

Against it. Taking a life conceived from rape is still taking a life. Only God has that privilege.

 

[paramedicgirl]

@CatholicSam & Celia:
An acquaintence of mine knows a woman who’s had quite a few abortions because she wanted her baby to be born on Halloween.

What a twisted reason to end a life. She is a mass murderer.

 

[paramedicgirl]

twiztedseraph:

I never specified judgement on anyone, whats it with people on this particular forum to jumping to conclusions? Another guy accuses me of having a big ego 'cause i got annoyed that they come here to correct a misused word instead of contributing. Now you quote my exasperation on not being able to understand how someone can kill their own child and say i may have pronounced judgement. I never said anything bad about anyone, merely pity at their actions and the victims of those actions.

**Is it just this forum, or is it cause you’re all american **

Maybe it’s the American thing. I’m Canadian and haven’t taken ofense at anything you said

 

[twiztedseraph]

paramedicgirl:

Maybe it’s the American thing. I’m Canadian and haven’t taken ofense at anything you said

Yay, another part of the commonwealth, now if only we could get the Royal Family Catholic, we’d all be set. Can I ask a really annoying question, is that thing where you go “Whats that all aboot.” True? Like down here we do say “G’day mate” and such.

 

[paramedicgirl]

twiztedseraph:

Yay, another part of the commonwealth, now if only we could get the Royal Family Catholic, we’d all be set. Can I ask a really annoying question, is that thing where you go “Whats that all aboot.” True? Like down here we do say “G’day mate” and such.

Nah, we just say eh a lot

 

[infabilly]

twiztedseraph:

Preetty darn loud Walking around Pompei or Paris, no doubt whatsoever where the yanks are But hey, even if just one of them was saying even one word about the Church, its all worth it. I think Mother Angelica impacted you guys too much:thumbsup:

Meh, I just stay in the States since I can’t afford to travel. bwahaha.
Iuno, I’m quiet.

@anti-abortion people even if it was from rape:
Well rape or not, maybe women get abortions because they’re not mature enough to handle the pregnacy/raising a child. Babies are born everyday, people die everyday (either by natural causes or something else).