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gallo
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If the courts repeal the passage of Prop 8 can those who did not vote for the president elect file a lawsuit and keep him out of office?
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Dale_M
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Could you explain this major difference? From what I have heard, the idea is to boycott business which are owned or managed by persons who donated a sizable amount to pass Prop. 8.
How else do you think the list would be used? What reasons do you have to think so?
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The_Barbarian
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You can file a lawsuit over just about anything. If you can show the election was illegal, you could even win.
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siamesecat
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If Prop 8 were repealed, I assume it would be on the grounds that it violates civil rights, and therefore a public vote does not matter (this is done to protect minorities - i.e., if you left the desegregation debate up to the Alabama voters, they would not have passed it, but the US federal government protected blacks as a minority because the law was interpreted as giving them civil rights they were entitled to regardless of public opinion), or if you argue it is invalid because people misunderstood the question (that would be VERY hard to prove). So I don’t see how this relates to Obama…unless it was proven the election was illegitimate, in which case I’d assume he’d be removed, but there’s no significant evidence for that, so I don’t see how the 2 issues correlate.
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didymus
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Like this:
sacbee.com/101/story/1393290.html
In the 50s we had a blacklist of people in the movie industry suspected of being communists – now are they going to blacklist everyone who supported Prop 8? I don’t like the idea
Also, in the olden days when campaign finance laws were passed anyone who wanted to know who gave how much to whom would have to go to some gov’t office and dig through megatons of paper. Now it is all online. Technology marches on and anybody with a computer can find out who donated to which campaigns. Of course on can also find out who supported the anti-Prop 8 side and start a counter blacklist.
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buffalo
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I sure hope CAF takes extra measure to protect our identities here. Wouldn’t want a surprise visit by some activists.:bigyikes:
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The_Barbarian
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Ironic, isn’t it? Just a few years ago, homosexuals found themselves “blacklisted.”
However, I don’t think there’s any justification for saying a particular artist can’t refuse to work with someone whose ideas he opposes, any more than a doctor has a right to refuse to do abortions for the same kind of moral objection.
However, I don’t think there’s any justification for saying a particular artist can’t refuse to work with someone whose ideas he opposes, any more than a doctor has a right to refuse to do abortions for the same kind of moral objection.
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Dale_M
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Yes, but that is just an example of the threat of a boycott resulting in change.Dale_M:
Like this:
sacbee.com/101/story/1393290.html
Scott Eckern, artistic director for the California Musical Theatre, resigned Wednesday as a growing number of artists threatened to boycott the organization because of his $1,000 donation to the campaign to ban gay marriage in California.
Nor do I. But we don’t have any reason to think that supporters of Prop 8 will be blacklisted. The example you gave was not a blacklist - it was voluntary resignation to avoid a boycott.
Yep. Which makes me wonder about the point of reporting your employer when donations are made - its too easy to track individuals down. But, on the other hand, anyone or any organization with surplus cash could have done it before. The internet has simply democratized the process.
We still haven’t seen any evidence of a blacklist to begin with. All we know is that some websites have put online the list of who donated for Proposition8 and who donated against it.
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Andruschak
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Well, I mentioned in two newsgroups about my voting yes on Proposition 8, and was indeed flamed for this admission.
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I guess support of homosexual marriage is the new “mark of the beast”?
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Dale_M
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666? Does that mean you won the Illinois lottery?I guess support of homosexual marriage is the new “mark of the beast”?
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peregrinus_WA
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Bring it on.
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Neil_Anthony
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Let them bring it on. This just shows the world who these people are. I’m surprised they haven’t started forcibly sodomizing religious leaders and proponents of Prop 8 yet to make their ‘point’. i.e. homosexualist terrorism.
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cival
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the epidemic of perverted lifestyles of lesbians and homosexuals i believe is unstopable because its legitimacy is constitutional.
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buffalo
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It is not a civil rights issue.
The right to privacy is the issue that opened the door. But, what happens behind closed doors is now out in the public.
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didymus
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I’m thinking more of a potential here. It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of religion or (in California) sexual orientation. But it is NOT illegal to discriminate, as far as I know on the basis of politics.
So if you go after people (presumably many of them religious) who were pro-Prop 8) and those who were anti (presumably many of them gay) you have an interesting situation.
Folks may not realise it but once you step into the political arena you are in the fight. In the US public figures are pretty much fair game and I won’t say they can’t sue for libel (however outrageous) it is damn near impossible. By donating to a campaign, protesting, signing a petition or even writing a letter to the editor you make yourself a public figure just as much as any presidential candidate.
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Jennifer123
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huffingtonpost.com/lisa-derrick/boycott-called-musical-th_b_142882.html
“Actress Susan Egan who appeared as Belle in the original Broadway production of Beauty and the Beast has written her support of boycotting Sacramento’s California Music Theatre/Sacramento Music Circus over issues surrounding the passage of PropH8. The theater’s artistic director Scott Eckern, who is Mormon, contributed of $1000 in support of California’s divisive Proposition 8 which eliminated marriage rights for gay couples.”
The theater director in question has resigned over his support of Prop 8.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2008/11/prop-8-blowback.html
“Among those weighing in with dismay over Scott Eckern’s donation are Tony winners Jeff Whitty, who wrote the book for “Avenue Q,” and Marc Shaiman, composer and co-lyricist of “Hairspray.” Shaiman said Tuesday that he phoned Eckern on Friday to protest, then e-mailed more than 1,000 contacts to alert them about the donation.”
“Actress Susan Egan who appeared as Belle in the original Broadway production of Beauty and the Beast has written her support of boycotting Sacramento’s California Music Theatre/Sacramento Music Circus over issues surrounding the passage of PropH8. The theater’s artistic director Scott Eckern, who is Mormon, contributed of $1000 in support of California’s divisive Proposition 8 which eliminated marriage rights for gay couples.”
The theater director in question has resigned over his support of Prop 8.
latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2008/11/prop-8-blowback.html
“Among those weighing in with dismay over Scott Eckern’s donation are Tony winners Jeff Whitty, who wrote the book for “Avenue Q,” and Marc Shaiman, composer and co-lyricist of “Hairspray.” Shaiman said Tuesday that he phoned Eckern on Friday to protest, then e-mailed more than 1,000 contacts to alert them about the donation.”
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Soutane
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At least you get to vote on it.In my country the activist supreme court took that decision away from the people and IMPOSED so-called gay marriage on the rest of us.It is also the reason that Canada has NO abortion law.The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court also engineered the notorious abortionst Dr.Morgentaler’s receipt of the Order of Canada.
Your country is in the midst of a war between the Culture of Death and the Culture of Life.I believe that there WILL be persecution of believers and others who respect Life.The persecution will be incremental if you are not vigilant and don’t push back.
Your country is in the midst of a war between the Culture of Death and the Culture of Life.I believe that there WILL be persecution of believers and others who respect Life.The persecution will be incremental if you are not vigilant and don’t push back.
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gallo
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McCain supporters are in the minority. Therefore, if a minority was being discriminated against by the passage of Prop 8, then so were McCain supports.
I’m feeling discriminated against. And all the Obama supporters hate me and it’s proven by the fact that they didn’t let me get my way. After all, being conservative is genetic and now it is a minority. And to beat it all, I’m in the lower-income ($30k or less) bracket and a millionaire is now in control of me and he’s of a different race to add. I demand my rights! I’m being discriminated against! Anyone that disagrees with me is not being tolerant and is just full of hate!
sarcasm…anyway…
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jfhh
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If Christians can protest against PepsiCo, Disney and Planned Parenthood. Gays and pro-choicers can protest against the Mormon Church, and the Catholic Church and whoever else.
Otherwise it is hypocrisy. No individual is being harassed. Of course there will be individual gays who do bad things, but to paint all gays with a broad brush and put them in a monolithin “The Gay” camp is prejudice.
If churches want to be free to criticize, they should not protest when they are criticized. It goes both ways.
Otherwise it is hypocrisy. No individual is being harassed. Of course there will be individual gays who do bad things, but to paint all gays with a broad brush and put them in a monolithin “The Gay” camp is prejudice.
If churches want to be free to criticize, they should not protest when they are criticized. It goes both ways.
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Neil_Anthony
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Oh, so you think we should get the list of people who gave money to “No on prop 8” and picket their workplaces and businesses? Like gay bars, for example?
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