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ega
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At home, unfortunately, I am not there.
Go do research in a university library.
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Go do research in a university library.
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ega
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Just an avoidance of the obvious fact that the visible world contradicts evocations of ‘in the beginning’.
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buffalo
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dodge
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ega
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Naaah, i dont lie mate. My books are in the UK and I am overseas. Nowt I can do.dodge
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contemplative
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If you can’t support what you are touting then it is time to get off the dance floor.
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ega
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Naah mate. It isnt rare knowledge, you can find out for youselves if you can be bothered, I’m just here to let you know its out there.
Oh, and I havent seen anything opposing my view except apriori reasoning. Nothing but quoting the beliefs in question to prove the beliefs…highly circular.
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contemplative
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Once upon a time! You have got to be kidding. I haven’t heard any new orders from God lately.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
1604 God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.90 Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator’s eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’"91
ah…yes, be fruitful and multiply!
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contemplative
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I am not your mate. Yours is strictly opinion reasoning. You have nothing but opinions to back your feelings.
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YinYangMom
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References please…this is news to me. Feel free to send them via personal message if you’d prefer.
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contemplative
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Ega? I have been wondering why so many homosexuals have been coveting the fruit of heterosexual unions these days…it seems so more now than ever before in history. Homosexuals want children…what do you make of that?
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contemplative
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I know one homosexual couple that wants children so much that they have a household of canine ‘babies’.
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YinYangMom
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The visible world is limited by what humans can perceive.
We know there is more than what our senses can detect because of what space exploration has shown.
No one was here “in the beginning” -
except God.
And He has revealed to us how we came to exist.
You can refute it all you want, but it doesn’t change the Truth.
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Island_Oak
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You’re kidding, right? Maybe God didn’t, but the Church sure has. Identify for me even one acceptable sexual outlet a faithful adult homosexual is EVER permitted? While the heterosexual community is confined to sexual expression within the marital union, subject to occasions of abstinence you identified, there is a recognized, celebrated, sacramental opportunity for sexual, social, and intimacy expression that is simply absent and denied anyone with SSA. While you may be in full agreement with the teaching, don’t minimize the impact on those subject to it.
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YinYangMom
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I am truly sorry for your pain.All the heart does is pump blood. And besides, I once was molested years ago between the late 60’s and the early 70’s, by a male, no less–a DREADFUL moment to say the least; it took me years after that to recover.
Obviously the actions of those people caused anguish for you.
Why do you wish to continue the cycle?
They lacked charity and kindness and so do you.
I would think you would want to rise above such a position…
You certainly are capable of it, with the grace of God.
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Island Oak:
Any burden homosexual activitist have is self-inflicted…NOT Church inflicted.
You know…this sounds like downright jealousy. Not only are active homosexuals these days coveting the fruit of hetersexual marriages but they are wanting the SACRAMENT of MARRIAGE. The Church will never be able to fashion this for them. End of story.
Any burden homosexual activitist have is self-inflicted…NOT Church inflicted.
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Island_Oak
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I seem to recall that the way the Church prefers to handle this is to invite and encourage its members to regularly partake in the sacrament of reconciliation–not post interrogators or “boat rockers” at the Church doors.
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YinYangMom
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Island Oak:
Some are called to a celibate life, some are called to create life. There are but two paths and both are united with God.
Engaging in sexual relations with the proper intentions each and every time within a marriage is not easy. Because of the Fall we constantly struggle against the desire of the flesh in and of itself, and our society has brainwashed us so well for so long it is challenging to successfully deprogram ourselves.
A single heterosexual has to develop patience - not an easy thing to do in this society - which waiting to discern whether or not they are called to bring new life into this world for God. Everywhere a person turns they are being told to give in to their longings, their desires. They, too, want companionship and love from another person for a lifetime. But they, too, must hold out for the real deal, should it come.
And then there’s the couple who find their mate, open themselves to God within marriage but aren’t able to conceive the children they so long to bring into this world for Him. Talk about a burden!! These couples are called to adopt, as there are many of God’s children in need of nurturing love.
The SSA’s burden is no different than the others. What makes this calling ‘hard’ is our ability to trust and bond with God. The more we resist our calling the heavier the burden feels. Hand over the burden to Christ and the sorrow subsides.
You’re still operating on the premise that sex is something that every person is entitled to engage in just because they live and breathe.
Some are called to a celibate life, some are called to create life. There are but two paths and both are united with God.
Engaging in sexual relations with the proper intentions each and every time within a marriage is not easy. Because of the Fall we constantly struggle against the desire of the flesh in and of itself, and our society has brainwashed us so well for so long it is challenging to successfully deprogram ourselves.
A single heterosexual has to develop patience - not an easy thing to do in this society - which waiting to discern whether or not they are called to bring new life into this world for God. Everywhere a person turns they are being told to give in to their longings, their desires. They, too, want companionship and love from another person for a lifetime. But they, too, must hold out for the real deal, should it come.
And then there’s the couple who find their mate, open themselves to God within marriage but aren’t able to conceive the children they so long to bring into this world for Him. Talk about a burden!! These couples are called to adopt, as there are many of God’s children in need of nurturing love.
The SSA’s burden is no different than the others. What makes this calling ‘hard’ is our ability to trust and bond with God. The more we resist our calling the heavier the burden feels. Hand over the burden to Christ and the sorrow subsides.
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Island_Oak
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Huh!!! Did you read my post as advocating in favor of homosexual marriage–because that position simply isn’t represented in what I wrote.
Who said anything about activists?! I’m talking about individual members of the Catholic family who experience or struggle with SSA. Are you really that crass and devoid of any insight or empathy for their struggle or do you just enjoy flaunting your ignorance of it?
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Island_Oak
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No, not “entitled” but naturally inclined to engage in as a fundamental, natural part of our design, hormones, instincts and drives.
…and some are attracted to others with whom they are never allowed to express intimacy. It is one thing to chose a celibate life over family life. It is another thing entirely to have celibacy as the only choice and manner in which to faithfully live one’s entire life.
You are absolutely right. But, with the caveat of following Church teaching on contraception, there is tremendous freedom and outlet within marrriage for sexual expression with one’s spouse. This same expression is NEVER afforded to the individual with SSA.
There is an expectation of complete celibacy before, and sometimes during marriage. But marriage and sexual intimacy are options. Once again…it never is an option for those with SSA.
In all this, I’m not saying the Church is wrong or needs to change. But let’s not try and lump everyone’s circumstance together. Yes, there are heterosexuals, whether single, currently married or divorced, who experience periods/years of celibacy. But to say it’s no different than what a homosexual Catholic faces simply denies the reality of the situation. I think if the Church is to support its homosexual members in fulfilling their moral obligation, it has to do a better job of educating and supporting these people throughout their lives.
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Island Oak:
The Church has always vocalized what is right and wrong. The education part is not always readily available. There needs to be more education for all members of the Church …not just homosexuals. I cringe when I think of how many priests and parents are remiss by not delivery the correct information.
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