My Sister is Mormon....

[RebeccaJ]

I’d settle for any evidence that there even is a masonic annointing. There is none. Please prove me wrong. I challenge you.

You shouldn’t speak of things you don’t know about. It makes you look foolish.

How do you think Joseph found out about the Coptic Orthodox annointing and clothing ritual?

Are you speaking as a Mormon, or a Mason? From your views, I’d say a bit of both.

Masons arose in the 16th/17th century, with a claim of going back to the time of Solomon. It is as empty of truth and fact as Mormonism. And when people pointed out the similarities to Christianity, the Masons of course explained that it was the attempt by Christians to Christianize their ancient order.

The Masonic anointing is all over the internet, from Masons themselves, and they explain the reason for it the exact same as Catholics.

But as a Mormon/Mason(?) I’m sure you’re all for the spin that the Catholics took this from the Masons. But as usual, Mormons look through the wrong end of the telescope.

The Knights Templar were a Catholic military order. Masons claimed, for a time, that they arose from this military order. Now, when the facts are given that they arose much later, they claim it is myth, when it was they themselves who started the “myth”.

Sounds like Joseph Smith, lie about the truth. Then lie about the lie. Then claim you never lied about the truth, which is yet another lie.

You want to delve into the lies of Masons and Mormons at the same time and how Joseph Smith intertwined them together?

 

[RebeccaJ]

Not true

Please, you know very well this was taught and now you (the collective Mormon “you”) deny it, and claim it was speculation.

Go to a mormon forum and ask how many people believe this doctrine, that was taught by all of your “prophets” until recently. You will find those who believe it, absolutely.

That is why you can’t get a straight answer tjlarsen, it is because Mormons can believe whatever they like, or not, as long as they keep it in a Mormon framework of “Joseph Smith”.

You will never get a straight answer.

 

[mfbukowski]

@DianaIad

So which God do you worship? The God of this world (Universe) or the God he worshipped when he was a man?

There is only one God. PM me if you want an explanation. You have received many answers and I don’t want to take a lot of time to explain something that maybe has already been explained

 

[mfbukowski]

Warning ! Mormon Stupid Scripture Alert ! Warning !

 

[mfbukowski]

We believe in one God, the Father, Who created all things by His Son Jesus Christ. We believe that God created all things out of preexistent matter. We do not believe creation out of nothing.

That is not correct. There have been speculations to that effect, which are not supported by LDS scripture. LDS scripture teaches that there is only one God who is the creator of all things, and that is the Father. It has not been revealed how God the Father came to be.

You are wrong. That is speculation. It is not taught in LDS scripture, and it is not true LDS doctrine.

There is no such thing as “God of our world”. God the Father created all that exists, visible and invisible, in heaven and on earth. He is the God of all worlds, not just of this world.

Our God is the supreme deity of the universe. He was not created by another God, and He does not worship any other God, and there is no other God above Him.

God created the universe. He was not created by it.

The universe was created (out of preexistent matter) by God.

By God, who created and upholds all things that exist.

God created us and is our creator.

It does; see above.

He is the creator, and therefore we worship Him.

No.

God is within His creation as well as independent of it, and is the creator of all of it.

The LDS Church answers that question more completely than any other church.

I only know of one God, and one universe He created; and that is the only God I worship.

zerinus

Just for the record, and because everyone says Mormons believe different things, I will say I totally agree and endorse this as Mormon doctrine. It’s what I believe too.

 

[mfbukowski]

Enlighten me, because I can’t find it on LDS.org.

What are the difference in a nut shell?

Go to the scriptures on LDS.org. Search the D&C for these terms
(doctrine and covenants)

 

[mfbukowski]

The King Follett discourse is not canonized LDS scripture and is not official LDS doctrine.

zerinus

Correct

 

[mfbukowski]

Are you speaking as a Mormon, or a Mason? From your views, I’d say a bit of both.

Masons arose in the 16th/17th century, with a claim of going back to the time of Solomon. It is as empty of truth and fact as Mormonism. And when people pointed out the similarities to Christianity, the Masons of course explained that it was the attempt by Christians to Christianize their ancient order.

The Masonic anointing is all over the internet, from Masons themselves, and they explain the reason for it the exact same as Catholics.

But as a Mormon/Mason(?) I’m sure you’re all for the spin that the Catholics took this from the Masons. But as usual, Mormons look through the wrong end of the telescope.

The Knights Templar were a Catholic military order. Masons claimed, for a time, that they arose from this military order. Now, when the facts are given that they arose much later, they claim it is myth, when it was they themselves who started the “myth”.

Sounds like Joseph Smith, lie about the truth. Then lie about the lie. Then claim you never lied about the truth, which is yet another lie.

You want to delve into the lies of Masons and Mormons at the same time and how Joseph Smith intertwined them together?

Please give me ONE link to mason annointing ritual that parallels the coptic

 

[zerinus]

Just for the record, and because everyone says Mormons believe different things, I will say I totally agree and endorse this as Mormon doctrine. It’s what I believe too.

Correct

Thank you!

zerinus

 

[dianaiad]

No one is asking you to accept “judgment”, what we’re saying is, we don’t have to call the Mormon religion Christian. You can call yourself whatever you like, but don’t expect that we’re going to agree. And don’t expect we’re going to stand by thinking how wonderful it is that Mormons want to wipe Christianity off the face of the earth and replace it with something else entirely, while calling it what it is not.

Ludicrous!

Yes you are, Diana.

I just got back from a very interesting search on this forum; I went back a full year. There are two threads entitled “Are Mormons Christian?” both begun by non-Mormons, one a simple question, answered by a great many resounding "NO’S! and a few shy “well, they think they are’s.” The other one was a typical anti-trap, complete with a laundry list of “beliefs” that the anti’s claim we have—and that none of us would recognize.

In all of the other threads (the search terms were “mormon” and “christian”) there wasn’t a single one begun by a Mormon insisting that y’all call us Christians—or else. In all the ones I looked at (and I looked at a random three threads on every page) if a Mormon wrote at all, it was only to object to being told that he had no right to say this, or that, or be this, or that, because he wasn’t a Christian.

Another favorite is the insistence that the Mormon admit that he wasn’t A Christian before the conversation could even begin.

In fact, in all cases, the only thing a Mormon insisted on was the right to think of himself as Christian–and to say so. Heaven help him if he said “I’m a Christian!”

Don’t we have the right to claim this if we believe it? Why in the world do you think we would, or SHOULD, deny our own convictions in this matter? By doing so, you are asking us to lie.

And I, for one, am tired of it. If you can show me one post from me…and I’ve written enough of them by now for you to get a fair look…where I have ridiculed your beliefs, or mocked them, or attacked them, or insisted that you were not Christian and therefore not worth behaving civilly to–

Or never mind me. Find a post from any other Mormon who BEGINS the rancour regarding this issue.

If you can, I will apologize very deeply and humbly.

But…I don’t think you will—or if you do, before you find it you will have to sift through hundreds upon literally hundreds of posts from Catholics and Protestants who attack us, and insist that we cease from claiming to be Christian.

So you are right; y’all are not asking us to accept your judgment in this matter.

You are demanding that we do.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Please give me ONE link to mason annointing ritual that parallels the coptic

I only hesitate because you hopelessly Mormonize everything. And you seem mighty eager to Mormonize this one.

I never said there were exact parallels to Coptic, I said CATHOLIC. Coptics are catholic (little ‘c’). We’re catholic. There are lots of catholics. All who anoint at confirmation. All who either require, or optionally, anoint the senses.

Have you read William Morgan’s “The Mysteries of Freemasonry”. It is here.

The person being initiated knelt in front of the Mason altar and was anointed with oil on the head, eyes, mouth, heart, right tip of ear, hand and foot. Which parallels the catholic practice of anointing the senses. (Except foot, however, catholics can, and do, anoint the foot as well as the senses.)

This was immediately followed by giving him bread and wine.

There are other catholic parallels, more than a few. If you put your Catholic school boy memories on, I’m sure you’ll see them. You will also recognize the things that Mormonism took from Freemasonry.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Yes you are, Diana.

Diana didn’t write that, I did.

Go to the MADB forum, you’ll find plenty of Christian bashing there against Catholic and non-Catholic.

Don’t we have the right to claim this if we believe it? Why in the world do you think we would, or SHOULD, deny our own convictions in this matter? By doing so, you are asking us to lie.

You can claim it all you like, but for us to accept this and not deny it is going against our convictions. You want us to be relative in our beliefs, while you stay convicted to yours.

And I, for one, am tired of it. If you can show me one post from me…and I’ve written enough of them by now for you to get a fair look…where I have ridiculed your beliefs, or mocked them, or attacked them, or insisted that you were not Christian and therefore not worth behaving civilly to–

Civility is a matter of perspective. Your own apostles say quite uncivil things about all of Christianity.

Or never mind me. Find a post from any other Mormon who BEGINS the rancour regarding this issue.

Visit MADB.

If you can, I will apologize very deeply and humbly.

But…I don’t think you will—or if you do, before you find it you will have to sift through hundreds upon literally hundreds of posts from Catholics and Protestants who attack us, and insist that we cease from claiming to be Christian.

So you are right; y’all are not asking us to accept your judgment in this matter.

You are demanding that we do.

The demanding is coming from Mormonism, and here you try to appeal to emotions to make the world as you think it should be. Does this work for you? It is Mormonism that is demanding that we give up our convictions, become relativists, and accept any old belief as Christian. Even, according to you, atheist secular humanism.

As I said, it is just ludicrous.

 

[dianaiad]

Diana didn’t write that, I did.

I’m sorry…Brain fade. My deepest apologies to both you and Diana.

Go to the MADB forum, you’ll find plenty of Christian bashing there against Catholic and non-Catholic…

I bet I won’t. I’ve never BEEN to the MADB forum; have never posted there. However, I"ve been on the internet, usenet and other forums for over fifteen years, and I have only run into a Mormon bashing (that is, attacking another religion the way Mormonism is attacked BY other religions) once. You wouldn’t believe how completely clobbered THAT guy was, by every Mormon on the group.

But I will go there and look, and if I find it, I’ll come back, admit it, and apologize.

You can claim it all you like, but for us to accept this and not deny it is going against our convictions. You want us to be relative in our beliefs, while you stay convicted to yours.

No, Rebecca. I simply want you to accept that I believe that I am a Christian, and get on with things. This isn’t asking you to accept it. It isn’t asking you to do anything except stop insisting that I deny my Christianity because you want me to do so.

Civility is a matter of perspective. Your own apostles say quite uncivil things about all of Christianity.

Or never mind me. Find a post from any other Mormon who BEGINS the rancour regarding this issue.

Visit MADB.

The demanding is coming from Mormonism, and here you try to appeal to emotions to make the world as you think it should be. Does this work for you? It is Mormonism that is demanding that we give up our convictions, become relativists, and accept any old belief as Christian. Even, according to you, atheist secular humanism.

As I said, it is just ludicrous.

If my explaining why I believe that a Christian is someone who a; bases his beliefs around the teachings of Jesus Christ and B: claims to be one is asking YOU to accept that, well…

sorry about that.

Excuse me, I’m off to MADB. If I can find a link.

I will perform the same search there that I did here and get back to you.

 

[RebeccaJ]

If my explaining why I believe that a Christian is someone who a; bases his beliefs around the teachings of Jesus Christ and B: claims to be one is asking YOU to accept that, well…

Well, I don’t care what you call yourself. Call yourself anything you like.

MY personal belief is that many individual Mormons follow Christ, in many ways, and in that sense are Christians. However, Christianity has been defined from the BEGINNING, including the NT, with certain very defined beliefs. Which, Mormonism does not teach and Mormons do not believe. In that sense, no, Mormonism is not a Christian religion. And its members have been led astray.

You, as in the collective Mormon YOU, insist that these very core and defining beliefs are apostate. You can’t erase this fact. It is what makes the Mormon religion non-Christian. And I read EVERYWHERE mormon, including LDS.org, that I am not a “true Christian”.

So you mince words. There are “true Christians”, yourselves, which makes me what? A false Christian?

You can’t complain about what you do yourself. THAT is called hypocrisy. Which isn’t honest.

 

[dianaiad]

Well, I don’t care what you call yourself. Call yourself anything you like.

MY personal belief is that many individual Mormons follow Christ, in many ways, and in that sense are Christians. However, Christianity has been defined from the BEGINNING, including the NT, with certain very defined beliefs. Which, Mormonism does not teach and Mormons do not believe. In that sense, no, Mormonism is not a Christian religion. And its members have been led astray.

You, as in the collective Mormon YOU, insist that these very core and defining beliefs are apostate. You can’t erase this fact. It is what makes the Mormon religion non-Christian. And I read EVERYWHERE mormon, including LDS.org, that I am not a “true Christian”.

Oh, Call for references on that one, Rebecca. BIG time. I want the quote, the cite, the page and the author.

So you mince words. There are “true Christians”, yourselves, which makes me what? A false Christian?

You can’t complain about what you do yourself. THAT is called hypocrisy. Which isn’t honest.

Except, Rebecca, I have never EVER referred to myself as the ‘true Christian’ while everybody else is a 'false Christian."

Nor have I ever read anything even remotely like that in any LDS publication, and certainly not on lds.org.

But I DID find this on MADB (and thank you for sending me there, as annoying as I found it to have to register.)

There was this thread; a very interesting one discussing Catholicism, Protestantism and Christianity. The dividing line was as I have always found it everywhere else; the Catholics and Protestants were telling us that we are not either Christian, and the Mormons were saying wait…you are coming in HERE, to an LDS discussion board, scolding us because we dare to claim to be Christians?

The interesting thing I saw was the level of scholarship involved, on the part of all sides. Everybody was pulling up references, and the banter was friendly even between those who were on polar opposite positions. The references pulled up by the Mormons were sometimes embarrassing to the Mormons. The references pulled up by the Catholics were sometimes embarrassing to them. It was wild, it was woolly…and it was full of some great information.

Then this appeared, from a Mormon.

“I also take a broader view of the Church of the Devil— but my experiences in the “Holy” Catholic Church would be enough to convince me, independent of anything else, that the RCC is truly an institute of Satan. Don’t pull what you’re trying to pull on me here.”

I thought, Oh, great googly moogly, I have only seen this one time, ever before…I’m going to have to apologize to Rebecca and Diana and everybody else in the whole world over THIS one…

And I expected all hellfire and brimstone to break loose.

Instead, I saw this from the moderator of MADB:

“Posts like this create barriers in dialogue, I suggest a better approach and refraining from using such extreme hyperbole again. Thread closed.”

Well, that was that. It seems that the folks on the Mormon Apologetics and Discussion Board don’t take kindly to such stuff, if a Mormon posts it.

I kept looking to see if there were any other examples of this sort of thing…and there were. I found a couple of just such hyperbolic posts, by non-Mormons. The moderators let those threads continue and let the Mormons handle it, which they did with a minimum of fuss.

I don’t know what this man’s experience was with the RCC church, and I apologize for his rhetoric.

I wasn’t able to find anything else even remotely like an attack on a non-Mormon faith, however.

You sound like you are more familiar with the board than I am. Perhaps you can find more?

Diana

 

[RebeccaJ]

Oh, Call for references on that one, Rebecca. BIG time. I want the quote, the cite, the page and the author.

You mormons are demanding. I want, make it so. Google lds.org. Or ask bukowski, I believe he has used it before.

Except, Rebecca, I have never EVER referred to myself as the ‘true Christian’ while everybody else is a 'false Christian."

Nor have I ever read anything even remotely like that in any LDS publication, and certainly not on lds.org.

Apostate Christian. True Christian. True Church. False teachings of men…Holland preached that on in one of your conferences, in direct refutation of what we believe. Dance around the words as you will. Think that it is clever and you’re nice. And maybe even believe it yourself.

But I DID find this on MADB (and thank you for sending me there, as annoying as I found it to have to register.)

There was this thread; a very interesting one discussing Catholicism, Protestantism and Christianity. The dividing line was as I have always found it everywhere else; the Catholics and Protestants were telling us that we are not either Christian, and the Mormons were saying wait…you are coming in HERE, to an LDS discussion board, scolding us because we dare to claim to be Christians?

The interesting thing I saw was the level of scholarship involved, on the part of all sides. Everybody was pulling up references, and the banter was friendly even between those who were on polar opposite positions. The references pulled up by the Mormons were sometimes embarrassing to the Mormons. The references pulled up by the Catholics were sometimes embarrassing to them. It was wild, it was woolly…and it was full of some great information.

Then this appeared, from a Mormon.

“I also take a broader view of the Church of the Devil— but my experiences in the “Holy” Catholic Church would be enough to convince me, independent of anything else, that the RCC is truly an institute of Satan. Don’t pull what you’re trying to pull on me here.”

I thought, Oh, great googly moogly, I have only seen this one time, ever before…I’m going to have to apologize to Rebecca and Diana and everybody else in the whole world over THIS one…

And I expected all hellfire and brimstone to break loose.

Instead, I saw this from the moderator of MADB:

“Posts like this create barriers in dialogue, I suggest a better approach and refraining from using such extreme hyperbole again. Thread closed.”

Well, that was that. It seems that the folks on the Mormon Apologetics and Discussion Board don’t take kindly to such stuff, if a Mormon posts it.

I kept looking to see if there were any other examples of this sort of thing…and there were. I found a couple of just such hyperbolic posts, by non-Mormons. The moderators let those threads continue and let the Mormons handle it, which they did with a minimum of fuss.

I don’t know what this man’s experience was with the RCC church, and I apologize for his rhetoric.

I wasn’t able to find anything else even remotely like an attack on a non-Mormon faith, however.

You sound like you are more familiar with the board than I am. Perhaps you can find more?

Diana

I have no interest in digging through past posts at that site. I read enough anti-Christian nonsense when I happen to read there.

Yes, people play nice there because the moderators make them play nice. Their board, their rules.

I saw the post you are referring to. That particular person, and a few others, are very anti-Catholic and say as much as they think they can get away with.

 

[dianaiad]

You mormons are demanding. I want, make it so. Google lds.org. Or ask bukowski, I believe he has used it before…

Sorry, Rebecca, that simply will not fly with me. YOU used the quote. YOU claimed that it exists. YOU get to prove it exists, since it happens to be impossible to prove a negative. So I’m ‘demanding,’ am I?

Ok, I’m demanding. Fair’s fair, when this is demanded of me, I get to demand it of you.

Apostate Christian. True Christian. True Church. False teachings of men…Holland preached that on in one of your conferences, in direct refutation of what we believe. Dance around the words as you will. Think that it is clever and you’re nice. And maybe even believe it yourself…

CFR. I would call the above rather vague at best. "One of [our] conferences? Which one out of the THOUSANDS of conferences that have been held in the church over the last century and a half, Rebecca?

I have no interest in digging through past posts at that site. I read enough anti-Christian nonsense when I happen to read there.

I’m sure you don’t. That’s fine…but if you don’t want to do that, don’t quote anything that someone might actually want you to back up.

Yes, people play nice there because the moderators make them play nice. Their board, their rules.

Y’know, that is NOT the impression I got from the way you guys described that forum. The first I heard of it was from here, when someone laughed and dismissed me as a “MADB” apologist, as if that destroyed any credibility I might have as a poster.

From you guys, I got the impression that MADB was an attack group out to ‘get’ all the other religions and drag them through the mud, with the sort of rhetoric I see from evangelicals on alt.religion.christian.roman.catholic and alt.religion.mormon–aimed at Catholics and Mormons.

…and what did I see? I saw that the moderators let the NON-Mormons get away with discourtesy, but that if a Mormon went off the reservation, the world caved in on him; scold, thread closed, no ifs, ands, buts or second chances.

…and you dismiss it with “people play nice there because the moderators make them play nice.” Well, yeah. Mormon moderators making people play nice. Is THAT why you dislike the place so much?

Shoot, I wish I WERE an MADB apologist. The level of discussion in there is far more elevated than I am used to; I have been spending too much time on ARM and ARMF…where the Mormons are under constant, unrelenting attack, and ‘courtesy’ means that you were only called a stupid brainwashed sky fairy worshiper instead of a REAL insult.

I saw the post you are referring to. That particular person, and a few others, are very anti-Catholic and say as much as they think they can get away with.

Evidently they don’t get away with anything.

…this is a problem, why?

 

[why_me]

Diana didn’t write that, I did.

Go to the MADB forum, you’ll find plenty of Christian bashing there against Catholic and non-Catholic.

As I said, it is just ludicrous.

The www.mormonapologetics.org site is actually somewhat pro-catholic. I have seen many posts where the mormons on that forum praise the catholic church over their moral issue stance. Also, there are catholics on that board and no one to my knowledge has been bashed. Now there has been disagreements to be sure but no bashing and certainly not ridicule as found on this site toward mormons.

I have said it before, both faiths have many strong points in their favor and both faiths create a lot of good in the world. Outside this forum, mormons and catholics are engaged in good work together. And that is the way it should be.

And so, yes go to MADb and see the respect that catholics receive.

Here is one such thread. Now I haven’t read through all the threads but it seems that all is well in the beginning. Hopefully, all will be well throughout the threads

mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=40414&st=0

 

[RebeccaJ]

Sorry, Rebecca, that simply will not fly with me. YOU used the quote. YOU claimed that it exists. YOU get to prove it exists, since it happens to be impossible to prove a negative. So I’m ‘demanding,’ am I?

Ok, I’m demanding. Fair’s fair, when this is demanded of me, I get to demand it of you.

diana i a d

You seem like nice enough person, but guess what, I’m not one of your students that’s hoping for a gradeA.

I shall seek, and post, and you’ll tell me how wonderful it is. You are like Mrs. Beaver, everything is so swell all the time. You’d be fun to hang around with.

CFR. I would call the above rather vague at best. "One of [our] conferences? Which one out of the THOUSANDS of conferences that have been held in the church over the last century and a half, Rebecca?

Elder Holland, sometime in the last, I dunno, 3 years. He was going on about how Constantine made up our doctrines for us. A favorite mormon assertion.

I’m too tired and too bored to look it up for the 5000 time. We’ve talked about it here before. Mormons think it was the greatest.

I’m sure you don’t. That’s fine…but if you don’t want to do that, don’t quote anything that someone might actually want you to back up.

I tend to hold a lot of trivia in my head. Just, I don’t keep track of where it came from. Maybe tomorrow I’ll feel different about looking through all the Christians-are-apostate postings at lds.org and finding it for you. Right now, it seems too depressing.

Y’know, that is NOT the impression I got from the way you guys described that forum. The first I heard of it was from here, when someone laughed and dismissed me as a “MADB” apologist, as if that destroyed any credibility I might have as a poster.

They tend to have a myopic view of, well, everything. It’s like talking to my brother in law. Cloned, 100 or so times.

From you guys, I got the impression that MADB was an attack group out to ‘get’ all the other religions and drag them through the mud, with the sort of rhetoric I see from evangelicals on alt.religion.christian.roman.catholic and alt.religion.mormon–aimed at Catholics and Mormons.

Mormons attack other religions in different ways. Passive-agressive is the norm. “Catholics are really great and we love them. Their creeds are an abomination and their professors corrupt. That doesn’t mean we don’t think Catholics are really great.”

…and what did I see? I saw that the moderators let the NON-Mormons get away with discourtesy, but that if a Mormon went off the reservation, the world caved in on him; scold, thread closed, no ifs, ands, buts or second chances.

…and you dismiss it with “people play nice there because the moderators make them play nice.” Well, yeah. Mormon moderators making people play nice. Is THAT why you dislike the place so much?

No, I dislike the place because it’s swarmin’ with marmans. I can barely stand to read it. Jesus has blue eyes because God the Father (his biological, DNA relative) gave him a gene that makes his eyes blue. If aliens were real and arrived, they’d be ok if they were human-like because that would mean they were in the image of God. We don’t believe everything Paul had to say. etc. etc. etc. It’s a weird place. And don’t even get me going on their twisting of the writings of the Early Church Fathers. Nightmarish out of context with a Mormon twist. Talk about corrupted.

I read more of the Christian/Catholic titled threads and steer clear of most everything else. It’s just too weird and sometimes so heretical I find myelf reflexively crossing myself.

Shoot, I wish I WERE an MADB apologist. The level of discussion in there is far more elevated than I am used to; I have been spending too much time on ARM and ARMF…where the Mormons are under constant, unrelenting attack, and ‘courtesy’ means that you were only called a stupid brainwashed sky fairy worshiper instead of a REAL insult.

Yes, you’d probably make some good contributions to the place. You’re of the same mindset.

Evidently they don’t get away with anything.

…this is a problem, why?

I don’t believe the one particular poster you quoted here is a mormon, but I might be wrong.

I think moderation is good, it keeps me in check, because I am an unrefined cussing fool. MADB, in my view, is overly strict and censored. But, as I said, their board, their rules. I have no problem with that.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Oh, Call for references on that one, Rebecca. BIG time. I want the quote, the cite, the page and the author.

Except, Rebecca, I have never EVER referred to myself as the ‘true Christian’ while everybody else is a 'false Christian."

Nor have I ever read anything even remotely like that in any LDS publication, and certainly not on lds.org.

But I DID find this on MADB (and thank you for sending me there, as annoying as I found it to have to register.)

There was this thread; a very interesting one discussing Catholicism, Protestantism and Christianity. The dividing line was as I have always found it everywhere else; the Catholics and Protestants were telling us that we are not either Christian, and the Mormons were saying wait…you are coming in HERE, to an LDS discussion board, scolding us because we dare to claim to be Christians?

The interesting thing I saw was the level of scholarship involved, on the part of all sides. Everybody was pulling up references, and the banter was friendly even between those who were on polar opposite positions. The references pulled up by the Mormons were sometimes embarrassing to the Mormons. The references pulled up by the Catholics were sometimes embarrassing to them. It was wild, it was woolly…and it was full of some great information.

Then this appeared, from a Mormon.

“I also take a broader view of the Church of the Devil— but my experiences in the “Holy” Catholic Church would be enough to convince me, independent of anything else, that the RCC is truly an institute of Satan. Don’t pull what you’re trying to pull on me here.”

I thought, Oh, great googly moogly, I have only seen this one time, ever before…I’m going to have to apologize to Rebecca and Diana and everybody else in the whole world over THIS one…

And I expected all hellfire and brimstone to break loose.

Instead, I saw this from the moderator of MADB:

“Posts like this create barriers in dialogue, I suggest a better approach and refraining from using such extreme hyperbole again. Thread closed.”

Well, that was that. It seems that the folks on the Mormon Apologetics and Discussion Board don’t take kindly to such stuff, if a Mormon posts it.

I kept looking to see if there were any other examples of this sort of thing…and there were. I found a couple of just such hyperbolic posts, by non-Mormons. The moderators let those threads continue and let the Mormons handle it, which they did with a minimum of fuss.

I don’t know what this man’s experience was with the RCC church, and I apologize for his rhetoric.

I wasn’t able to find anything else even remotely like an attack on a non-Mormon faith, however.

You sound like you are more familiar with the board than I am. Perhaps you can find more?

Diana

I’ve lurked on the MADB for months, I went there because LDS posters on this board said much the same as you. No one over there ever makes derogatory remarks yada yada yada. I have to say this is not what I’ve seen over there in the 7 or 8 months that I’ve read the board. You claim you went back on this forum a year, that’s a lot of posts to read. It seem you spent just an hour over there, your tata I’m off to MADB was at 10 o’clock pm, and low and behold you’re back extolling the niceness of the conversation an hour later.
I’ve seen 2 LDS posters on this thread misrepresent Catholicism and belittle Catholics and their religion in the past. Over all though the ugliest comments are reserved for Evangelicals, apparently over there they really dislike them.

It’s the same at other sites like beliefnet you can pretend that LDS never engage in tearing down other religions but that’s not “the what is”.