My Views About Jesus

[geometer]

And you haven’t read:

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Here he identifies himself as God in the same way that Moses was revealed to God in Exodus 3:14. Jesus uses the very same language.

Mark 14:61-62
**But he was silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him and said to him, *“Are you the Messiah, the son of the Blessed One?” ***
Then Jesus answered, "I am; and ‘you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.’"
(After this the high priest tore his garments because Jesus was saying that HE was God).

Read the other passages I referred you to, then we’ll discuss this rationally.

Exodus 3:14 has nothing to do with that passage.

God is in no way the son of man, it just the opposite man is son of God.

And, you are telling me this is the best you know of God, something that you read in a book?

Jesus said I am a few times, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…

 

[Benjamin8o8]

Sometimes I ask my atheist and non-Christian friends what year it is. Have a nice weekend.

Peace, Graubo

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

The word fulfill is a mistranslation, it should be perform. That whole passage is about Jesus telling everyone that they must strictly observe the commandments. You have not read it carefully.

There is no way for any man to prove that he is God, Jesus knew God as his father, and the gospel is that you to can be born of God, his offsping, and know God as your father. The whole gospel is in Jesus’ name, it means Yah delivers us.

Jesus was born again, the son of God…

The Douay-Rheims Bible has fulfill, and it was everyone’s duty to perform the works of the law at that time, what did Jesus add to that fulfillment? Himself. If Jesus is Who He says He is, then the Church founded by Him has the authority to set practices and doctrine. If one does not know Him, then the Church has no value to you. The philosophy and theology is based on Jesus as God. The proof of this is the faith and obedience one gives to Jesus as God and His Church as the visible Body of Christ in the world. One can reject this “proof”; but if denied, one is rejecting God in the process. Honesty and humility in acquiescence to the truth is necessary in any intellectual pursuit, the pursuit of faith and reason especially as there are forces working against this pursuit as our greatest good. All this is spelled out in the Bible. It tells of faith as a relationship between I and Thou. Seek God, the Eternal Thou.

 

[elvisman]

Exodus 3:14 has nothing to do with that passage.

God is in no way the son of man, it just the opposite man is son of God.

And, you are telling me this is the best you know of God, something that you read in a book?

Jesus said I am a few times, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…

You’re WAAAY of the mark, my confused friend.
**I’m not trying to prove Jesus’ diety. **I was retorting your claim that Jesus didn’t change much because he was an orthodox Jew.

NO orthodox Jew ever claimed to be God OR the Son of God.

Jesus DID come to shake things up by FULFILLING the law.
That’s why the Chief Priests and Scribes wanted him dead.

 

[elvisman]

Exodus 3:14 has nothing to do with that passage.

God is in no way the son of man, it just the opposite man is son of God.

And, you are telling me this is the best you know of God, something that you read in a book?

Jesus said I am a few times, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…

You are WAAAY off the mark, my confused friend.
**I wasn’t trying to prove to you that Jesus was God. ****I was replying to your claim that Jesus, being an orthodox Jew didn’t come to change much. **On the contrary, he came to shake things up by FULFILLING the Law.

My point is that NO Orthodox Jew ever claimed to be God, let alone the Sone of God. Jesus DID and that was considered blasphemous by the Priests and Scribes.
**That’s why they wanted him killed.

 

[geometer]

Seek God, the Eternal Thou.

Well, when you sought God what did you come up with?

 

[NDfan]

What’s the matter my friend? What is it about this date that you do not understand? I’ll explain it to you. CE means common era; opposite to BCE, which means before common era. And with regards to 133, that’s the year for the war of Bar Corba, which sealed the fate of Israel if there was any hope
of survival.

This war was a disaster for the Sect of the Nazarenes, which was almost completely decimated by the Romans, considering that they, as a hole, participated in the war.

Christians survived without any loss of personel because they had refused to participate in the war. Why? Because Rabbi Akiva had proclaimed Bar Korba the Messiah, and the Christians could not be found fighting under a Messiah they couldn’t recognize. Interesting isn’t it? Did you know about this?

Ben:

Sure did. The reason Akiva proclaimed Bar Korba to be the Messiah was because he led a revolt against against Rome. Something the Jews expected the Messiah to do. Unfortunately after Rome stormed Betar, Korba, Akiva and thousands of other Jews were killed. What’s your point here? That Christians should have fought with the Jews under the claim of a false Messiah The Christians already knew who the real Messiah was :yup:

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

Well, when you sought God what did you come up with?

The Grace of God that saved me from my sins and thus a right relationship with Him, through faith, that keeps me from falling back into evil. The proof is in the pudding as they say, and the pudding is the life of your own making. Belief isn’t only intellectual, it directs your actions, actions that lead to God or away from Him, our maker and our greatest Good. We are made by Him and for Him, and our hearts are restless until they rest in Him. This is what I have found.

 

[Earnest_Bunbury]

Sure did. The reason Akiva proclaimed Bar Korba to be the Messiah was because he led a revolt against against Rome. Something the Jews expected the Messiah to do. Unfortunately after Rome stormed Betar, Korba, Akiva and thousands of other Jews were killed. What’s your point here? That Christians should have fought with the Jews under the claim of a false Messiah The Christians already knew who the real Messiah was :yup:

Wasn’t this the reason Jews got out of the Messiah business? Some Rabbi’s indicating the “Messiah” as being a time of influence in the world for the people of Israel.

God lets us sin, leads us into temptation as it were, to show us definitively what is wrong. The Church through history is the proof of Jesus as Messiah and and the Savior from our sins.

 

[Ben_Masada]

I can only imagine the collective anticipation.

Thanks.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Don’t expect any serious answers from this person. He has posted exactly the same threads/posts at other religious forums all over the Internet. Since he doesn’t seem to have absorbed or learned from any of them, I doubt he’ll learn anything here.

If you think this person won’t learn anthing here, what about if this person turns out to teach something here? Many have said they have returned to the Scriptures to review what they have been following. This means an awakening of self-identity.

Ben:

 

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by **theistgal: **
Don’t expect any serious answers from this person. He has posted exactly the same threads/posts at other religious forums all over the Internet. Since he doesn’t seem to have absorbed or learned from any of them, I doubt he’ll learn anything here

If you think this person won’t learn anthing here, what about if this person turns out to teach something here? Many have said they have returned to the Scriptures to review what they have been following. This means an awakening of self-identity.

Ben:

Hi

I think learning and teaching are continuous processes; one can learn while one is teachings, not necessarily at the same time, but at different times of a day.

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

Thanks

 

[Ben_Masada]

OK. So, is the deliverer (messiah, the anointed), to be of worldly, or heavenly origin?

You are a Torah Jew, correct? Your scripture consists of the five books, which we know as the Pentateuch, or the first five books of the Christian bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy)?

To answer you first question first, let me ask you a question. Do you believe that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Messiah? I believe you do, if you have ever read that chapter. Now, if you read Isaiah 41:8,9; 44:1,2,21; 45:4, you will
see that Isaiah identifies that Servant with Israel by name.

Now, to your first question. If you read Habakkuk 3:13, the People of Israel is the anointed one. Therefore, the deliverer or Messiah, or anointed one is of this world. He is Israel, the Jewish People according to the Prophets.

Yes, I am a Torah Jew and my Scriptures is the whole of the Tanach; not only the first five books. The Law and the prophets; the same Scriptures that Jesus came to confirm for himself and for all Jews. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow. Don’t worry!” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow. Don’t worry!” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow. Don’t worry!” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow. Don’t worry!” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow. Don’t worry!” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…

Geometer, never mind the word “love” which is used in the Bible. It does not mean love per se, but respect. Love does not happen like this. Can you tell a person or an animal or a thing, “I am going to love you tomorrow?” Do you understand now what I mean? No one can be commanded to love,
as no one can be commanded to feel. If you still won’t understand
after this, we might as well drop the subject because it will be a waste of our time.

Ben:

 

[Valke2]

Valke2;4840559:

I can only imagine the collective anticipation.

Thanks.

But of course! What a question! To read from the Torah was and is part of becoming Bar Mitzvah.
It’s a very good question actually. Reading from the Torah at shul is part of becoming a Bar Mitzvah. I don’t think this was the practice at the Temple however. In fact the Torah has the age of maturity at 20. I’ve never read anything to suggest that Bar Mitzvot, as we understand them today, were ever practiced in the Temple. The Talmud certainly doesn’t state this. I am surprised you believe otherwise, given that we know priests (not rabbis) performed sacrifices in the Temple as the primary function.