My Views About Jesus

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For more than several times, I have been asked to post a thread on my views about Jesus. Well, here then is how I view Jesus: A religious Jew born with the mission to bring his People into a spiritual revival. Jesus’ awakening reform is reflected in Matthew 5:17-19.

Jesus’ target was to turn the nation into a State governed by Torah as the constitution of the Jewish People. He was too nationalistic though, which rather being a virtue, would invite misreadings of his personality as we have what happened to Judas.

Although he focused on his private group of 12, he had quite a following. Between the greater multitude and the 12, he had 72 special disciples, whom he would assign certain roles in his Ministry. (Luke 10:1)

I believe his biological parents were indeed Joseph and Mary; and because of a Roman Census in the year 4 BCE, his parents had to go to Bethlehem and Jesus happened to be born. When he was 40 days old, the family returned to Nazareth. He was never in Egypt. The attempt of Matthew to take him there was to plagiarize the call of Israel from Egypt.

When he was 13, his parents brought him up to Jerusalem for his Bar Mitvah, and because he was a very gifted child, really precocious, he would indeed impress priests and Teachers of the Law with his wisdom.

From his age 13 till 30, he must have spent his life between helping his father in his Carpentry and with his cousin John the Baptist in an Essene Monastery in preparation for the Rabbinate.

At that time there were two classifications of Rabbis in Israel. Senior Rabbis who would stay in Yeshivas where students would go to, and Junior Rabbis, who opperated on an ambulant manner: Going from place to place preaching and teaching Torah.

Jesus was never more than a Junior Rabbi, as the title was never granted on widom alone but according to the time spent as such. Jesus didn’t have even four years as a Rabbi.

| also believe he was married, because the Law was strict about married Rabbis. One wouldn’t even start as a single Rabbi. And I believe he married Marry Magdalene because she was the one he loved and was loved by.

I believe he was crucified because among others like him who were ambulant Rabbis, they irritated the Romans, who had a policy to arrest any head of a subversive private group and put him to the cross, so that the followers would disperse. But I don’t believe he died on the cross. He did survive the cross. After
40 days after his crucifixion he left Israel with his wife, Joseph of Arimathea, and probably his mother, and silence was gold for about 30 years.

When Jesus left he made sure his disciples would continue his work of Torah revival. Then, there was never in the History of Israel a group of more missionary Jews than the Nazarenes. They organized the Sect and started making converts everywhere, even from among the Pharisees.

The Sect became know as the Way. And it grew geometrically, until Paul showed up with a strange gospel about Jesus. Not because Jesus was what Paul preached about him but because he needed him to give rise to his Church of Christianity.

Little by little and until 133 CE, the Nazarenes were absorbed, part into the Church of Paul and part into mainstream Judaism.

These then are my views about Jesus. All the Pauline paraphernalia about Jesus were only sausage fillers. Jesus was Jewish, and anything said about him that contradicts his Faith, which was Judaism, is not true.

Ben:confused:
 
These then are my views about Jesus.
Just so.

Sadly history does not work like that. Nobody can rewrite history. History has recorded the life and death of Jesus. Your views on the matter 2000 years later don’t amount to a hill of beans, I’m afraid.
 
For more than several times, I have been asked to post a thread on my views about Jesus. Well, here then is how I view Jesus: A religious Jew born with the mission to bring his People into a spiritual revival. Jesus’ awakening reform is reflected in Matthew 5:17-19.

Jesus’ target was to turn the nation into a State governed by Torah as the constitution of the Jewish People. He was too nationalistic though, which rather being a virtue, would invite misreadings of his personality as we have what happened to Judas.

Although he focused on his private group of 12, he had quite a following. Between the greater multitude and the 12, he had 72 special disciples, whom he would assign certain roles in his Ministry. (Luke 10:1)

I believe his biological parents were indeed Joseph and Mary; and because of a Roman Census in the year 4 BCE, his parents had to go to Bethlehem and Jesus happened to be born. When he was 40 days old, the family returned to Nazareth. He was never in Egypt. The attempt of Matthew to take him there was to plagiarize the call of Israel from Egypt.

When he was 13, his parents brought him up to Jerusalem for his Bar Mitvah, and because he was a very gifted child, really precocious, he would indeed impress priests and Teachers of the Law with his wisdom.

From his age 13 till 30, he must have spent his life between helping his father in his Carpentry and with his cousin John the Baptist in an Essene Monastery in preparation for the Rabbinate.

At that time there were two classifications of Rabbis in Israel. Senior Rabbis who would stay in Yeshivas where students would go to, and Junior Rabbis, who opperated on an ambulant manner: Going from place to place preaching and teaching Torah.

Jesus was never more than a Junior Rabbi, as the title was never granted on widom alone but according to the time spent as such. Jesus didn’t have even four years as a Rabbi.

| also believe he was married, because the Law was strict about married Rabbis. One wouldn’t even start as a single Rabbi. And I believe he married Marry Magdalene because she was the one he loved and was loved by.

I believe he was crucified because among others like him who were ambulant Rabbis, they irritated the Romans, who had a policy to arrest any head of a subversive private group and put him to the cross, so that the followers would disperse. But I don’t believe he died on the cross. He did survive the cross. After
40 days after his crucifixion he left Israel with his wife, Joseph of Arimathea, and probably his mother, and silence was gold for about 30 years.

When Jesus left he made sure his disciples would continue his work of Torah revival. Then, there was never in the History of Israel a group of more missionary Jews than the Nazarenes. They organized the Sect and started making converts everywhere, even from among the Pharisees.

The Sect became know as the Way. And it grew geometrically, until Paul showed up with a strange gospel about Jesus. Not because Jesus was what Paul preached about him but because he needed him to give rise to his Church of Christianity.

Little by little and until 133 CE, the Nazarenes were absorbed, part into the Church of Paul and part into mainstream Judaism.

These then are my views about Jesus. All the Pauline paraphernalia about Jesus were only sausage fillers. Jesus was Jewish, and anything said about him that contradicts his Faith, which was Judaism, is not true.

Ben:confused:
Ummm . . . congratulations?
Is that the response you’re looking for?
If this is what you believe - which I feel is way off track - so be it.
 
Ok, great. You have thoughts on Jesus.

You’re wrong, wrong, wrong!

If I were you, I’d pray for guidance, and I would pray hard (think fasting, retreats and the like)

Or…I’d become an Episcopalian.
 
Ben Masada:
For more than several times, I have been asked to post a thread on my views about Jesus. Well, here then is how I view Jesus … :
Give the guy a break. He was asked to share his views so he did. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. But, he was asked to post it so he did.

I think we need to install a salad bar. People are much more relaxed when there’s a salad bar.
 
Thanks for sharing. I always find your posts interesting even if we have different views. It makes me want to learn my Bible better!🙂
 
Sometimes I ask my atheist and non-Christian friends what year it is. Have a nice weekend.

Peace, Graubo
What’s the matter my friend? What is it about this date that you do not understand? I’ll explain it to you. CE means common era; opposite to BCE, which means before common era. And with regards to 133, that’s the year for the war of Bar Corba, which sealed the fate of Israel if there was any hope
of survival.

This war was a disaster for the Sect of the Nazarenes, which was almost completely decimated by the Romans, considering that they, as a hole, participated in the war.

Christians survived without any loss of personel because they had refused to participate in the war. Why? Because Rabbi Akiva had proclaimed Bar Korba the Messiah, and the Christians could not be found fighting under a Messiah they couldn’t recognize. Interesting isn’t it? Did you know about this?

Ben: :o
 
Ben, I have a question. In Judaism, is the Mosaic covenant the final covenant between G-d and man? Is there another to come?
 
I’m really interested to learn how exactly you know what from the Gospels is true, and what is false.

You only provide one source.

You cannot take pieces of a source to back up your opinions and then dismiss the rest of the source. You could maybe do this to some extent if you had a number of other sources with which to compare your original source.

Please, what are these sources? Ben, did you find the Q document?! Bring that to a museum or something. There are a lot of people who have been dying to get their hands on that.
 
Thanks for sharing. I always find your posts interesting even if we have different views. It makes me want to learn my Bible better!🙂
Believe me Nomie, that’s my purpose: To send people back to the Bible and away from traditions.

Ben: 👍
 
I’m really interested to learn how exactly you know what from the Gospels is true, and what is false.

You only provide one source.

You cannot take pieces of a source to back up your opinions and then dismiss the rest of the source. You could maybe do this to some extent if you had a number of other sources with which to compare your original source.

Please, what are these sources? Ben, did you find the Q document?! Bring that to a museum or something. There are a lot of people who have been dying to get their hands on that.
Quite simply Erigby, Jesus was Jewish and no one contradicts his identity. I am Jewish and quite aware of Jewish laws and traditions, modern and of the First Century Jewish customs.

By using that logic and reasoning, I discard anything about Jesus which could constitute a contradiction to the Faith of Jesus, which was Judaism.

Therefore, what does not pertain to Jesus as a Jew, will stay on the side of Paul as a Christian. This method is even a good idea to minimize or erase the contradictions of the NT.

Ben: 🙂
 
Great opinion. Now, can you back it up with documents or writings? We Christians back up our beliefs with the Gospels. Now we ask for you to back up your beliefs.
 
Ben, I have a question. In Judaism, is the Mosaic covenant the final covenant between G-d and man? Is there another to come?
Shalom Guy. To begin with, the Mosaic or Sinaitic Covenant was not between God and man in general, but only with Israel. It will always exist, at least as long as both partners are in existence. The Covenant between God and man, period, was the Noahite Covenant.

There is no other covenant to come. The last renewal of the Mosaic or Sinaitic Covenant under the new name of New Covenant was effected when the Jews returned from exile in Babylon under the leadership of the most famous Scribe in the History of Israel: Ezra.

Ben: 🙂
 
Give the guy a break. He was asked to share his views so he did. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. But, he was asked to post it so he did.

I think we need to install a salad bar. People are much more relaxed when there’s a salad bar.
Thanks Among Friends, for your understanding.
Yes, that’s how I would call you if all here were like me.

Ben; 🙂
 
These then are my views about Jesus. All the Pauline paraphernalia about Jesus were only sausage fillers. Jesus was Jewish, and anything said about him that contradicts his Faith, which was Judaism, is not true.
I would agree with you. I haven’t found anything in the gospels that would indicate that Jesus was anything but Jewish. He was very strictly orthodox it seems. I don’t think that he added much to the law except in saying to love your enemies.

Do you know of any other additions?
 
Ok, great. You have thoughts on Jesus.

You’re wrong, wrong, wrong!

If I were you, I’d pray for guidance, and I would pray hard (think fasting, retreats and the like)

Or…I’d become an Episcopalian.
You should be grateful to hear of a Jew who believes that Jesus was real. Most Jews don’t even believe that
Jesus ever existed.

Ben: :rolleyes:
 
You should be grateful to hear of a Jew who believes that Jesus was real. Most Jews don’t even believe that
Jesus ever existed.

Ben: :rolleyes:
I’m just relieved to hear you aren’t Catholic. Maybe I should read your profile? I’m sorry.
 
I would agree with you. I haven’t found anything in the gospels that would indicate that Jesus was anything but Jewish. He was very strictly orthodox it seems. I don’t think that he added much to the law except in saying to love your enemies.

Do you know of any other additions?
Apart from your understanding and wise comment, which I appreciate, do you really believe that Jesus ever added to the Law to love one’s enemy? I don’t think so. What kind of destructive behaviour is to love one’s enemy? Respect yes,
I can understand, but to love!

Love is an emotion or feeling. No one can be commanded to love or to feel. And much less one’s enemy. What we owe and can be commanded to, is to respect, even our enemies.

Ben: 😊
 
Apart from your understanding and wise comment, which I appreciate, do you really believe that Jesus ever added to the Law to love one’s enemy? I don’t think so. What kind of destructive behaviour is to love one’s enemy? Respect yes,
I can understand, but to love!

Love is an emotion or feeling. No one can be commanded to love or to feel. And much less one’s enemy. What we owe and can be commanded to, is to respect, even our enemies.
We are commanded to love many times in the Torah. To love your enemy is a very powerful thing to do. It is not that loving your enemy is greater than your love of God. Your love of God must be great.

Your love for your foe can become the basis for intercession to God. It is about miracles…
 
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