My wife will never submit to me...should that matter?

[RPRPsych]

The Church accepts evolution, time to get up with the times

Not atheistic evolution which denies original sin and makes us glorified chimps.

Again, read Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII. It’s a good read. (No rough stuff in it though, Pius wasn’t that sort of guy. Those Popes - such sissy betas, right?)

 

[on_the_hill]

Seems to me, based on the OP’s OP, if his wife had been submitting to his “headship” of the family, they’d be living in cardboard box.

 

[holy_face]

It’s in the table of contents here:

marriedmansexlife.com/books/primer/

You are cherry picking stuff, its the last chapter in a chapter about sexuality for people of all types, not just Christians. You are quite capable of skipping that section if it does not apply.

 

[eeriechallenge]

It’s in the table of contents here:

marriedmansexlife.com/books/primer/

In other words, you’ve never actually read the book. Thank you for admitting that you have been here lecturing on something (else) you know nothing about. lol

 

[holy_face]

Not atheistic evolution which denies original sin and makes us glorified chimps.

Again, read Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII. It’s a good read. (No rough stuff in it though, Pius wasn’t that sort of guy. Those Popes - such sissy betas, right?)

Nobody is saying we should act like “glorified chimps” not me, not the book, where are you getting that from?

 

[eeriechallenge]

Seems to me, based on the OP’s OP, if his wife had been submitting to his “headship” of the family, they’d be living in cardboard box.

I doubt that very much. He seems to have done a rather stellar job keeping the both of them from poverty, despite her apparent best attempts to demoralize him, sabotage him, and destroy the marriage.

Again, what part of the new testament do you not understand. The wife is commanded to respect her husband. She has actively rejected the commandments of Christ and the wisdom of the church fathers. How is it the husband’s fault? I’d love to know the basis for this elliptical logic here.

 

[holy_face]

Seems to me, based on the OP’s OP, if his wife had been submitting to his “headship” of the family, they’d be living in cardboard box.

Yes, if he did not first fix his life and get himself together as is being suggested. That is all part of being a leader, being a worthy leader. Headship is what scripture calls for are you arguing otherwise?

 

[holy_face]

Back to the OP’s original question.

And don’t take marriage advice from guys who seem to hate women.

Best wishes!

It was only a matter of time, if you do not accept the female headship you must hate women.

 

[eeriechallenge]

It was only a matter of time, if you do not accept the female headship you must hate women.

Of course. From the book of Xantippe: “Husbands, submit yourselves unto your own wives, as unto the Lord…”

 

[RPRPsych]

Nobody is saying we should act like “glorified chimps” not me, not the book, where are you getting that from?

I was referring to theistic .vs. atheistic evolution. The “alpha game plan” philosophy is based on the latter.

 

[holy_face]

If eeriechallenge or I are moderated or banned then everyone else here should be as well because there seems to be a lot of advice going around here that is not Catholic or even Christian. Sorry if you don’t like it but the husband is established by scripture as the head of the household, I know it is controversial in these feminist times but it is still the truth.

 

[RPRPsych]

I doubt that very much. He seems to have done a rather stellar job keeping the both of them from poverty, despite her apparent best attempts to demoralize him, sabotage him, and destroy the marriage.

Again, what part of the new testament do you not understand. The wife is commanded to respect her husband. She has actively rejected the commandments of Christ and the wisdom of the church fathers. How is it the husband’s fault? I’d love to know the basis for this elliptical logic here.

Yeah, keep writing that real-person fan-fic of yours.

Also, I think there will soon be massive earthquakes in the Middle East and Greece, as the Early Church Fathers will collectively spin in their graves at hearing themselves misused in this way.

Why not give us some quotes from Joseph Smith or Heber C. Kemball and his heifers instead?

 

[eeriechallenge]

I was referring to theistic .vs. atheistic evolution. The “alpha game plan” philosophy is based on the latter.

I’m sure you’ll quote from MMSL, page and paragraph, an example of this, right after you back up your depraved notion that it promotes spouse abuse, and all the other nonsense you’ve spouted here… Real soon now, to be sure…

 

[Xantippe]

eeriechallenge said:

“The OP should never take advice on being a man from women. Women do not know what it means to be a man or a husband. The OP should take advice from successful men, who have faced similar challenges and overcome them.”

For instance, take Dave Ramsey. As I mentioned earlier, he speculated wildly, and borrowed up to his eyeballs to build a multimillion dollar real estate portfolio with short term loans. He went too far and was repeatedly sued, foreclosed on and bankrupted, dragging his wife and kids along for the ride. After that, he realized that he needed to involve his wife in the financial decision-making process (even if she was “just a SAHM”). He worked hard, listened to his wife when she was worried, and slowly, carefully rebuilt their finances. When DR gets calls from small business people and entrepreneurs, he counsels them to listen to their wives and involve them in the financial planning process.

That’s how a “successful man” does this.

on_the_hill said:

“Seems to me, based on the OP’s OP, if his wife had been submitting to his “headship” of the family, they’d be living in cardboard box.”

Exactly.

 

[eeriechallenge]

Yeah, keep writing that real-person fan-fic of yours.

Also, I think there will soon be massive earthquakes in the Middle East and Greece, as the Early Church Fathers will collectively spin in their graves at hearing themselves misused in this way.

Why not give us some quotes from Joseph Smith or Heber C. Kemball and his heifers instead?

I’m becoming convinced that you may be an anti-Catholic, who posts here in a sly attempt to discredit the Catholic faith. My main question is why?

 

[holy_face]

Submit to that female headship guys, or else.

Many guys have become irresponsible due to this very problem, a society that has become female dominated and the answer is to give in even more? LOL. Men have become lazy, unproductive and unmotivated because their leadership has been taken away, everything that before motivated them to succeed and be productive has been removed.

The answer is to both become more responsible and retake the leadership where they can feel they are providing for and taking care of their families instead of taking marching orders from their snippy domineering wives.

 

[RPRPsych]

I’m becoming convinced that you may be an anti-Catholic, who posts here in a sly attempt to discredit the Catholic faith. My main question is why?

Again, the irony of someone who accuses the Church of a “great apostasy” calling a Catholic “anti-Catholic” is mind-boggling.

But if you must ask why: Find out. That’s my “eerie challenge” to you.

And if I may ask a question in return: when this argument shall come to pass, how dost thou reconcile thy advocacy of the rougheth stuffeth with these garments?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

 

[eeriechallenge]

Again, the irony of someone who accuses the Church of a “great apostasy” calling a Catholic “anti-Catholic” is mind-boggling.

But if you must ask why: Find out. That’s my “eerie challenge” to you.

And if I may ask a question in return: when this argument shall come to pass, how dost thou reconcile thy advocacy of the rougheth stuffeth with these garments?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment

Again, you assume that I have ever worn garments, or believe in that stuff. What do you assume about Jews, I wonder? And, again, what does your own bigotry have to do with the original poster and his problems?

Again, why are you here bringing shame and discredit upon the Catholic faith? That is all you have done in this conversation. What motivates you to do this?

 

[holy_face]

He is saying that because people are advocating reversing scripture, doing the opposite of what it instructs for families, which is uncatholic

 

[eeriechallenge]

The answer is to both become more responsible and retake the leadership where they can feel they are providing for and taking care of their families instead of taking marching orders from their snippy domineering wives.

That’s correct. Men need to quit taking advice from women and unsuccessful men, and start taking advice from men who have made things work. MMSL is one of those proven sources of information. Dalrock (google it) is another.

There is a huge difference between being “a good man” and being good at being a man. Learn from men who are good at it!