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guanophore
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This is an excellent question, kujo. Sacred Tradition is that which is handed down to us from the Apostles. It never contradicts the previous revelation of God as expressed in the Holy Writings.
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Goth_Catholic
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Reach out touch faith
your own personal jesus…someone to hear your prayers…someone who cares
lift up the reciever i’ll make you a beliver
I will deliver, you know i’m a forgiver
your own personal jesus…someone to hear your prayers…someone who cares
lift up the reciever i’ll make you a beliver
I will deliver, you know i’m a forgiver
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cpayne
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It was a smart-alecky response to the previous post. My apologies; no use jumping into an argument that’s not mine anyway.What the…???
You make no sense (to me anyway)…
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lak611
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Depeche Mode, covered by Johnny Cash.
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cheddarsox
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also covered my Marilyn Manson
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kujo313
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That what IS true, then is what’s been written and proven to be inspired by the Holy Spirit and that is inside the Bible. That’s the Word of God. It’s concrete.
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guanophore
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That is true, kujo, but what comes through the living Magesterium of the Church is also true, and also the Word of God.
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Goth_Catholic
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ditto
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Goth_Catholic
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So is the church
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RevDrNorth
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Several reasons. Actually, at one point I converted and then left. I did not have much faith in Marian doctrine but the person teaching RCIA told me don’t worry that is not essential and so I went through with conversion. Left a few years later.
Here are some reasons for not being Catholic:
i) I am called to ordained ministry and service. Problem since I am married.
ii) I have problems with some doctrines and superstitious excesses (watching statues of Mary paraded around in the Third World while people attached money to it is sad. (I know we Protestants have our tele evangelists selling miracle oil and so on but I would not join their church either). Not to mention the venerated pieces of the true cross, drops of the real blood and so on.
iii) Lack of enthusiasm for the faith by many Catholics. Whereas Protestants in Churches I have attended go to Bible Study, children’s activities, all sing enthusiastically during service and so on…Catholics in my experience rarely do much beyond the one hour of church, have little fellowship or sense of community, come to mass late and leave early, mediocre sermons with little substance (compared to exegetical Baptist sermons), people are not enthusiastically singing. Two exceptions to the above are military communities and a church I attended where the Catholics were very enthusiastic and invovled in activites such as Bible study.
iv) Mishandling of the pedophile, pederast priest scandal and ignoring of priests actively engaged in homosexual lifestyles.
Reasons I would revert:
i) Wonderful sense of tradition and history.
ii) Beautiful and meaningful worship and depth of spirituality.
iii) Central teaching authority grounded in the bible and tradition.
iv) Great sense of intellectual tradition and history.
v) Church connected to the church founded by the apostles.
vi) The Pope, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Mother Teresa, Cardinal Newman, Fr. Pacwa, A number of heroic military Chaplains who were Catholic Priests, and Fr. Corapi, Fr. Groeschel, Sister Prokes, Fr. Callam,…and so on.
vii) Catholic witness to the world in terms of education, hospitals, ministry to the poor and so on.
viii) Preservation of Christianity by monks and so on during the dark ages.
ix) Cadfael
So, there you have it. I watch EWTN with enthusiasm and love Catholic spirituality, abhor anti Catholic nonesense (such as the tired and stupid “Whore of Babylon” assertions, you can’t call a Priest “Fr” stupidity, and mindless, unscriptural and anti intellectual Chick Publications).
Finally, ETWN has done a wonderful job of bringing programs like Protestants (Southern Baptists) have for family issues (ie Catholic Psychologists), youth programs and so on to Catholics. Go EWTN.
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Here are some reasons for not being Catholic:
i) I am called to ordained ministry and service. Problem since I am married.
ii) I have problems with some doctrines and superstitious excesses (watching statues of Mary paraded around in the Third World while people attached money to it is sad. (I know we Protestants have our tele evangelists selling miracle oil and so on but I would not join their church either). Not to mention the venerated pieces of the true cross, drops of the real blood and so on.
iii) Lack of enthusiasm for the faith by many Catholics. Whereas Protestants in Churches I have attended go to Bible Study, children’s activities, all sing enthusiastically during service and so on…Catholics in my experience rarely do much beyond the one hour of church, have little fellowship or sense of community, come to mass late and leave early, mediocre sermons with little substance (compared to exegetical Baptist sermons), people are not enthusiastically singing. Two exceptions to the above are military communities and a church I attended where the Catholics were very enthusiastic and invovled in activites such as Bible study.
iv) Mishandling of the pedophile, pederast priest scandal and ignoring of priests actively engaged in homosexual lifestyles.
Reasons I would revert:
i) Wonderful sense of tradition and history.
ii) Beautiful and meaningful worship and depth of spirituality.
iii) Central teaching authority grounded in the bible and tradition.
iv) Great sense of intellectual tradition and history.
v) Church connected to the church founded by the apostles.
vi) The Pope, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, Mother Teresa, Cardinal Newman, Fr. Pacwa, A number of heroic military Chaplains who were Catholic Priests, and Fr. Corapi, Fr. Groeschel, Sister Prokes, Fr. Callam,…and so on.
vii) Catholic witness to the world in terms of education, hospitals, ministry to the poor and so on.
viii) Preservation of Christianity by monks and so on during the dark ages.
ix) Cadfael
So, there you have it. I watch EWTN with enthusiasm and love Catholic spirituality, abhor anti Catholic nonesense (such as the tired and stupid “Whore of Babylon” assertions, you can’t call a Priest “Fr” stupidity, and mindless, unscriptural and anti intellectual Chick Publications).
Finally, ETWN has done a wonderful job of bringing programs like Protestants (Southern Baptists) have for family issues (ie Catholic Psychologists), youth programs and so on to Catholics. Go EWTN.
Rev North
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Mommyof02green
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Why not a Deacon?
Q: Who is a Deacon?
A: A deacon is an ordained minister of the Catholic Church
Q: May married men be ordained deacons?
**A: **Yes
Source: usccb.org/deacon/faqs.shtml
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RevDrNorth
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Thank you for posting that.
I feel called to full sacramental ministry and due to some ministry positions I have that means fully functioning ordained clergy (ie Priest).
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Mommyof02green
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I’m not sure what that means…Thank you for posting that.
I feel called to full sacramental ministry and due to some ministry positions I have that means fully functioning ordained clergy (ie Priest).
Rev North
In my parish we have 3 deacons and they give homilies (sermons) at Mass on Sundays, they marry people, baptize people, they run the RCIA program, nursing home outreach, they help out at funerals etc
Really the only things that they DO NOT do are hear confessions, concrete the host, and administer last rites.…
However, if you were an Eastern Catholic then being married and being a priest would not be a problem. (Eastern Catholic Priests, who are in union with Rome, can be married)
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kujo313
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So, if the “church” accepts the word of the “our lady of fatima” as “law”, then all the members of the “church” MUST accept it? Even if it contradicts the Bible and Jesus, Himself?
Sounds like the “any other Gospel” that Paul mentioned to the Galatians.
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Goth_Catholic
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I’m too tired for this. Our lady of Fatima could never contradict her son nor God for God sent her. But God can explain it to you when your face to face with Mary and regretting having ever said that.
“Through the scapular and the rosary, I shall save the world”
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kujo313
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Your last quote there explains it all. There are many “I am” quotes that Jesus said about Himself. He described Himself as THEE ONLY WAY. Yet, your “lady” says that she’s the “way”.
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.”
“There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary.” (1917)
“Pray the Rosary every day, in order to obtain peace for the world.”
Why do you have to say the “Hail Mary” over 50 times? Does she not hear you the first time?
You are now saying that I’m blaspheming your “lady”. I tell you that Jesus says if anybody speaks a word against Him, it will be forgiven; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven. (Luke 12:9-10)
Contradictions? The Word of God is bluntly in your face and you are denying it.
Face to face? No, rather, side by side… looking towards our Savior. There is no other. Jesus IS the Lamb of God who, He alone, takes away our sin.
It’s not Mary that you are looking at. It’s a demon in disguise, fooling even the very elect. If you follow that demon, you’ll be in Hell forever.
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LilyM
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Sounds like ‘who hears you hears me’ and ‘what you bind on Earth will be bound in heaven’ to me …
not to mention ‘all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to me … as the Father sent me [ie with all authority] so am I sending you’
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Good_Fella
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Kujo, do you honestly believe that Our Lady of Fatima, for instance, is a demon in disguise? 
Would a fallen angel actually say these words?
“Are you willing to offer yourselves to God and bear all the sufferings He wills to send you,
as an act of reparation for the sins by which he is already offended, and of supplication for
the conversion of sinners? Then you are going to have to suffer, but the grace of God will be your
comfort.” [13 May 1917]
A fallen angel would sooner vomit than say these words. Since when would he wish
for the conversion of sinners and own that God’s grace is our comfort?
“Pray the Rosary everyday (the Rosary contains the Apostles Creed, the Lord’s Prayer,
the scriptural Hail Mary, and the Glory Be in praise of the Holy Trinity.) in order to obtain
peace for the world.” (Satan wants World Wars and atheistic Revolutions.) [13 May 1917]
“I want you to pray in this way: O, my Jesus, forgive us our sins and save us from the fires of Hell.Take all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of your mercy.”
[13 June 1917]
Our Blessed Mother agrees with you, Kujo, that only Jesus can save us from our sins.
And in his divinity he has the prerogative to forgive us our sins. Would a fallen angel
want to remind us of this Christian truth? A demon could not contradict his own
desire that all souls be eternally damned in Hell by exhorting us to pray for each other,
as St. Paul did, so we get to Heaven. He is much too proud and jealous a beast to compromise
himself. The Bible teaches that Satan stands before God accusing us.
“Jesus wishes that you make me known and loved on earth. He wishes also for you to establish
devotion in the world to my Immaculate Heart…I will be with you always, and my Immaculate Heart will be your comfort and the way which will lead you to God.” 13 June 1917]
From the Gospel of John 19:25, "Woman, behold your son (all humanity); son behold your mother."No one gets to the Father except by Jesus, and no one gets to Jesus except by his Mother, the spouse of the Holy Spirit. Jesus promised to send us his Spirit, our Helper, before he ascended into Heaven. No fallen angel or demon would assure us of this truth, that Mary in her humble “Fiat” serves God by helping us get to Him through the Son. From the Gospel of Luke 1:26-38: “Hail full of grace,the Lord is with you.”
“Pray, pray very much. Make sacrifices for sinners.” [13 August 1917]
The last thing Satan wants us to do is pray. Jesus encouraged us to pray constantly so that we
do not fall into temptation while being put to the test. He stressed the need for prayer during his
own Agony in the Garden. Satan visits us in order to tempt us to rebel against God, not to exhort us to pray to Him. When he tried to tempt Jesus, he wanted our Lord to bow down and worship him.The messages of Our Lady of Fatima direct us to adoration of God, not to adoration of her or the beast. Penance, prayer, and self-sacrifice are prevalent themes in the messages of Mary at Fatima.Her messages exhort us to be sorry for our sins and to love God above all things. Her words not only contradict but oppose what Satan wants of us.
“People must amend their lives and ask pardon for their sins. They must not offend our Lord
anymore, for He is alraedy too much offended!” [13 October 1917]
Notice the exclamation mark. It clearly indicates how urgently our Blessed Mother wants us to love her Son and God. She does not come to earth on her own accord to exalt herself. A fallen angel would visit us in the guise of Mary with just her own glorification in mind. The real Blessed Virgin has no need to assume airs and seek our praises, for God has already exalted her. From the Gospel of Luke 1:46-55: “For the Almighty has done great things for me and holy is His name!”
Kujo, you have a tendency to cite or quote Holy Scriptures to suit your own prejudices. Your private interpretations do not necessarily constitute the Word of God. For you often ignore the scriptures when they obviously contradict your own personal notions. Please observe the following biblical passage:
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation. A house divided against itself falls.” [Luke 11:17]
I doubt that a fallen angel spoke to the three shepherd children at the Cova da Iria in Fatima.
Would a fallen angel actually say these words?
“Are you willing to offer yourselves to God and bear all the sufferings He wills to send you,
as an act of reparation for the sins by which he is already offended, and of supplication for
the conversion of sinners? Then you are going to have to suffer, but the grace of God will be your
comfort.” [13 May 1917]
A fallen angel would sooner vomit than say these words. Since when would he wish
for the conversion of sinners and own that God’s grace is our comfort?
“Pray the Rosary everyday (the Rosary contains the Apostles Creed, the Lord’s Prayer,
the scriptural Hail Mary, and the Glory Be in praise of the Holy Trinity.) in order to obtain
peace for the world.” (Satan wants World Wars and atheistic Revolutions.) [13 May 1917]
“I want you to pray in this way: O, my Jesus, forgive us our sins and save us from the fires of Hell.Take all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of your mercy.”
[13 June 1917]
Our Blessed Mother agrees with you, Kujo, that only Jesus can save us from our sins.
And in his divinity he has the prerogative to forgive us our sins. Would a fallen angel
want to remind us of this Christian truth? A demon could not contradict his own
desire that all souls be eternally damned in Hell by exhorting us to pray for each other,
as St. Paul did, so we get to Heaven. He is much too proud and jealous a beast to compromise
himself. The Bible teaches that Satan stands before God accusing us.
“Jesus wishes that you make me known and loved on earth. He wishes also for you to establish
devotion in the world to my Immaculate Heart…I will be with you always, and my Immaculate Heart will be your comfort and the way which will lead you to God.” 13 June 1917]
From the Gospel of John 19:25, "Woman, behold your son (all humanity); son behold your mother."No one gets to the Father except by Jesus, and no one gets to Jesus except by his Mother, the spouse of the Holy Spirit. Jesus promised to send us his Spirit, our Helper, before he ascended into Heaven. No fallen angel or demon would assure us of this truth, that Mary in her humble “Fiat” serves God by helping us get to Him through the Son. From the Gospel of Luke 1:26-38: “Hail full of grace,the Lord is with you.”
“Pray, pray very much. Make sacrifices for sinners.” [13 August 1917]
The last thing Satan wants us to do is pray. Jesus encouraged us to pray constantly so that we
do not fall into temptation while being put to the test. He stressed the need for prayer during his
own Agony in the Garden. Satan visits us in order to tempt us to rebel against God, not to exhort us to pray to Him. When he tried to tempt Jesus, he wanted our Lord to bow down and worship him.The messages of Our Lady of Fatima direct us to adoration of God, not to adoration of her or the beast. Penance, prayer, and self-sacrifice are prevalent themes in the messages of Mary at Fatima.Her messages exhort us to be sorry for our sins and to love God above all things. Her words not only contradict but oppose what Satan wants of us.
“People must amend their lives and ask pardon for their sins. They must not offend our Lord
anymore, for He is alraedy too much offended!” [13 October 1917]
Notice the exclamation mark. It clearly indicates how urgently our Blessed Mother wants us to love her Son and God. She does not come to earth on her own accord to exalt herself. A fallen angel would visit us in the guise of Mary with just her own glorification in mind. The real Blessed Virgin has no need to assume airs and seek our praises, for God has already exalted her. From the Gospel of Luke 1:46-55: “For the Almighty has done great things for me and holy is His name!”
Kujo, you have a tendency to cite or quote Holy Scriptures to suit your own prejudices. Your private interpretations do not necessarily constitute the Word of God. For you often ignore the scriptures when they obviously contradict your own personal notions. Please observe the following biblical passage:
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation. A house divided against itself falls.” [Luke 11:17]
I doubt that a fallen angel spoke to the three shepherd children at the Cova da Iria in Fatima.
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kujo313
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So, even if it sounds right and it’s not, you’ll accept it anyway? If Jesus taught that He, Himself, is the only Way, and He quoted a bunch of “I ams”, WHY would Mary come by and say “I will” and direct acction towards herself?Sounds like ‘who hears you hears me’ and ‘what you bind on Earth will be bound in heaven’ to me …
not to mention ‘all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to me … as the Father sent me [ie with all authority] so am I sending you’
Isaiah 14:13-14
For you have said in your heart:
‘ I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
The RCC has Mary listening and interceding prayers from more than one person at a time. Sounds like a god-like being to me.
The world can only hear Christ through you if you speak His Words according to His Will.
It is NOT the Will of a jealous God for you to have any other “god” nor to make or worship or bow to images from Heaven.
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Mannyfit75
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The Catholic Church, my Protestant friend, does not acknowledge nor believe that Mary is a god. She is a creature, a created being.
Second, you seem to lack the understanding of the Communion of Saints?
In Creed we say, “I believe in … Communion of Saints.” This communion is the unity of the entire Church, the Church militant (saints on earth), Church suffering (souls in purgatory), and Church victorious (saints in heaven).
Consider this passage from the Bible
That in the **name of Jesus **every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth. -Epistles to the Philippians Chapter 2 verse 10.
So who is worshipping Jesus? Those saints in heaven, saints on earth, and where the Paul said, “under the earth” that is purgatory. There is no praising Jesus in hell.
Mary falls under Church victorious because she is with God like all the other saints. In heaven, the saints are aware of us. For one, we are surrounded by a Cloud of Witnesses, and in Revelation, we have angels offering prayers of the saints to God. In the transfiguration of the Lord, Jesus prayed and then Moses and Elijah appeared. Well, apparently, they heard the Lord speak to them through prayer.
Saints have been given the beautific vision. They are outside time and space. Some for example, can predict the future. The prophet Samuel who is dead told the of events to come. How did you suppose he know this? Perhaps, the saints know something.
Um, who died and say you have the right to who goes to hell or even. The last time I check, it was God’s who judge that matter.
Catholics hope to be in heaven because St. Paul tells us that we must persevere to the end.
Second, Paul also told us to pray for one another.
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