Name 3 reasons you are not Catholic (yet).

[Grace_Seeker]

Respectfully Grace, I was trying to show you that you are blaming the wrong person for the position of the Catholic Church. Protestants choose to remove themselves from fellowship of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church honors this and upholds this.

Maria,

I appreciate your desire to be in fellowship. I desire it too. I don’t feel a need to become Catholic for us to be in fellowship. We simply need to accept one another individually as brothers and sisters in Christ.

I did not choose to remove myself from fellowship. I was never a Catholic so how could I remove myself from its fellowship. However, I am a Christian, so will the Catholic Church recognize me as a part of the Body of Christ or reject me? Even if the Catholic church says that I am not part of the Church, what will you say. Will you be in fellowship with me?

 

[Grace_Seeker]

Manny,

Are you willing to recognize Christians who are not members of the Catholic church as genuinely Christian and as much a part of the Body of Christ as Catholic Christians?

Are you willing to judge the vitality and efficacy of a person’s faith based on their fruit alone, without regard to their church membership?

Are you willing to join hands in fellowship with Christians who are non-Catholics and say to the non-Christian world we are one in Christ?

Are you willing to recognize that though some of their beliefs may be different than yours with regard to many things, even concepts connected with God and the church, that if one confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior, that we are still brothers and sisters in Christ with all such persons even as we disagree on other aspects of our common faith?

Are you willing to recognize that those who hold to the Apostles’, Nicene, Athanasian, and Chalcedonian creeds are just as apostolic and catholic in their faith as those who attend churches that are specifically called Catholic?

If you are not willing to say YES to each of these statements, then it is no longer past schisms dividing Christendom in the present as much as attitudes of exclusivisty.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Manny,

Are you willing to recognize Christians who are not members of the Catholic church as genuinely Christian and as much a part of the Body of Christ as Catholic Christians?

They are Christians since they believed that Jesus is the Promised Messiah, and believed in the Trinity. I believe only Christians who believe in the Trinity are Christians. Those Christians who do not believe in a Triune God are not.

As long as you are baptize in this formula: I baptized you In the Name of the Father, And Of the Son, and Of the Holy Spirit. You are a Christian.

Are you willing to judge the vitality and efficacy of a person’s faith based on their fruit alone, without regard to their church membership?

I acknowledge Non-Catholic Christians who persevere by living a good Christian life by obeying all of God’s commandments, can be saved by the grace of God.

Are you willing to join hands in fellowship with Christians who are non-Catholics and say to the non-Christian world we are one in Christ?

Fr. Corapi said to a baptist once. “I’m happy that you are a member of My Church.” In which he replied, “I’m no darn Catholic.” The priest then said, "You are. Are you not baptized In the Name of the Father, And of the Son, and Of the Holy Spirit? Since you are. You are a member of Jesus’ mystical Body.

Are you willing to recognize that though some of their beliefs may be different than yours with regard to many things, even concepts connected with God and the church, that if one confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior, that we are still brothers and sisters in Christ with all such persons even as we disagree on other aspects of our common faith?

They differ in doctrine. I don’t expect them to believe in Catholic doctrines concerning Eucharist, Marian Dogmas, Confession, but I do expect them to try to understand it and not say, “Your wrong. You are reading the Bible all wrong.”

Are you willing to recognize that those who hold to the Apostles’, Nicene, Athanasian, and Chalcedonian creeds are just as apostolic and catholic in their faith as those who attend churches that are specifically called Catholic?

My answer is stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

If you are not willing to say YES to each of these statements, then it is no longer past schisms dividing Christendom in the present as much as attitudes of exclusivisty.

I weep for this sad division within Christianity. I would like to see the Church like it was before the Protestantism, and before the 1054 East-West Schism.

The fact that Protestants is not in union with Rome brings sadness within the Body of Christ. It wounds the Lord.

 

[guanophore]

I just go by the words of Jesus.

If this is true, kujo, then you are just not understanding what the words of Jesus mean. Jesus taught that He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him. He also taught that He is the vine, and we are the branches. The body of Christ is a living organism, and those who are “in Christ” are rooted and grounded in Him. Apart from Him we do nothing. He taught that “greater things than I do, will you do, because I go to the father”. He wants all of us to share in His ministry of mediation. Mary is the most perfect example of this.

In those two sites, Mary supposedly says “I am” and “I will”. She can’t. Puts your Salvation on her shoulders even though the Bible clearly states that there is no other but Jesus.

kujo, Mary does not do anything of herself, but she carries on the ministry of Christ, reconciling the world to Himself. Your thinking error is in separating the branch from the true vine. Mary is not separated from Jesus. It is no different than Paul sending Timothy:

1 Cor 4:17
17 Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church."

Timothy imitates Paul, as Paul imitates Christ. Paul can say "
17 Brethren, join in imitating me, and mark those who so live as you have an example in us." Phil 3:17-18

Would you say that Paul, but telling the Philippians “follow me” that he was substituting himself for Christ? Surely not.

When Paul says “To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.” 1 Cor 9:22-23

do you think he means that salvation comes from himself? No, he wants to save others for the sake of the gospel.

Do you think the writer of Jude thinks he can save people apart from the grace of God? "1 keep yourselves in the love of God; wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And convince some, who doubt; 23 save some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. " Jude 21-23

The enemy used Mary's image in order to win you over.

On the contrary, kujo, the enemy has blinded your eyes to the full share that Christ intends for all of us to carry the ministry of reconciliation. "18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. " 2 Cor 5:18-6:1

You are under no mandate to receive God’s ambassadors, whether it is the Apostle Paul, Jude, or the Blessed Mother. But why do you revile those of us that do receive them, as messengers of God? Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, or in this case, she who comes. Mary always comes in the name of the Lord. Her message to us is to “do whatever He tells you”. She is the eternal “yes” to the Father…“be it done to me according to Your will.”

It's like in a hostage situation where the police get the gunman's mommy to talk to the gunman through a loudspeaker.

Satan uses the image of Mary in order to get you to believe that you must repeat the “Hail Mary” over and over or that if you deny Mary you will be dammed.

I am sorry you felt that your soul was held hostage all the years that you were Catholic, kujo. I am glad that you now experience a living faith with God. What brings people in danger of the fires of hell is rejecting the authority He entrusted to His apostles, since the deposit of faith that is handed down to us is His truth.

We can go back and forth over and over. You’ll keep the “binding and loosening” while I’ll quote Scripture and Jesus, Himself, through the red letters and you’ll still go on.

Who’s words are the final authority: Mary or Jesus?

Your error is in thinking that there is a distinction between the two. Jesus is the true vine, and Mary is the true branch. He has ordained that she would share his authority with Him.

 

[Mannyfit75]

guanophore,

kujo won’t listen to you. You can preach to him all you want, all your words to him will fall in deaf ears. He doesn’t want to open up, nor does he attempt to understand the Marian dogmas.

 

[guanophore]

Hi
My three reaons.
1.The Christians are not united into one denomination; Catholics as they say are the oldest and the largest, they have most responsibitly for forging unity.
2. JesusYeshuaIssa did not die a cursed death on Cross, he was a respectful person he could not be cursed.
3. The present Christianity is not following on footsteps of JesusYeshuaIssa.

YOu are right that Catholics do have the most responsibility for unity. However, you are wrong that Jesus did not die on the cross. He became cursed to carry the curse for all of us.

I think you do not know what the footsteps of Yeshua are, because He claimed to be God, and you deny this.

This what I believe from the scriptures and history, others could believe what they think is reasonable, rational and logical.

No, paarsurrey, others believe what God has revealed to us.

Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

Maybe it is all that killing that prevents us from seeing the peace in Islam?

 

[guanophore]

Maria,

I appreciate your desire to be in fellowship. I desire it too. I don’t feel a need to become Catholic for us to be in fellowship. We simply need to accept one another individually as brothers and sisters in Christ.

I did not choose to remove myself from fellowship. I was never a Catholic so how could I remove myself from its fellowship. However, I am a Christian, so will the Catholic Church recognize me as a part of the Body of Christ or reject me? Even if the Catholic church says that I am not part of the Church, what will you say. Will you be in fellowship with me?

The Catholic Church teaches that all validly baptized Christians are part of the Body of Christ. The Church teaches that all members of the Body are important and necessary. However, many Protestants don’t want to be part of a Body that has Catholics in it. I am grateful for your willingness to fellowship, and such a thing honors our Head, who desires that we all be one, even as He and the Father are one.

Manny,

Are you willing to recognize Christians who are not members of the Catholic church as genuinely Christian and as much a part of the Body of Christ as Catholic Christians?

I see this is addressed to Manny, but I would like to respond also.
1 Cor 12:13-14
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body - Jews or Greeks, slaves or free - and all were made to drink of one Spirit."

It is not our own choosing that make us part of the Body, but the aBaptism of Jesus.

Are you willing to judge the vitality and efficacy of a person’s faith based on their fruit alone, without regard to their church membership?

Yes, with the understanding that being a Protestant, by definition, rejects some of the teachings of Christ.

Are you willing to join hands in fellowship with Christians who are non-Catholics and say to the non-Christian world we are one in Christ?

I can join hands in fellowship, and in prayer, and in good works, because “he who is not against us is for us”. I do the same with Jews, and Pagans. However, to say that we are “one in Christ” cannot be done, because it is not true. On the contrary, the Body is fractured.

Are you willing to recognize that though some of their beliefs may be different than yours with regard to many things, even concepts connected with God and the church, that if one confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior, that we are still brothers and sisters in Christ with all such persons even as we disagree on other aspects of our common faith?

Yes. this is why the Church teaches that we are separated brethren. Brothers, separated by essential differences in doctrine.

Are you willing to recognize that those who hold to the Apostles’, Nicene, Athanasian, and Chalcedonian creeds are just as apostolic and catholic in their faith as those who attend churches that are specifically called Catholic?

No. They are more Catholic and Apostolic than those that do not, but the Apostolic Succession is still being rejected.

If you are not willing to say YES to each of these statements, then it is no longer past schisms dividing Christendom in the present as much as attitudes of exclusivisty.

I don’t think it is “exclusivity”. On the contrary, it is inclusivity. If one does not accept the teaching of Jesus, then one is not entirely “included” in the full deposit of faith. There were many followers of Jesus, and there were many degrees of discipleship. Some heard, and thought he was a good man and a prophet. But there is more to the story. Will those who follow his teachings because He is a good man be saved?

 

[Grace_Seeker]

The Catholic Church teaches that all validly baptized Christians are part of the Body of Christ. The Church teaches that all members of the Body are important and necessary. However, many Protestants don’t want to be part of a Body that has Catholics in it. I am grateful for your willingness to fellowship, and such a thing honors our Head, who desires that we all be one, even as He and the Father are one.

Guanophore,

I am thankful for your spirit. You do NOT deny the teachings of your church, but YOU ARE WILLING to look beyond its dogmas to embrace individual Christians. If we could all do this, then we would have the unity for which I seek. Though I understand that there is yet another type of unity even beyond this, it would be a big first step.

Thank-you for being a light in the darkness.

 

[guanophore]

guanophore,

kujo won’t listen to you. You can preach to him all you want, all your words to him will fall in deaf ears. He doesn’t want to open up, nor does he attempt to understand the Marian dogmas.

I know, but when I respond to him, I am thinking of the four or five more people reading that never post, and I write for them.

 

[guanophore]

So, if the “church” accepts the word of the “our lady of fatima” as “law”, then all the members of the “church” MUST accept it? Even if it contradicts the Bible and Jesus, Himself?

Sounds like the “any other Gospel” that Paul mentioned to the Galatians.

The Church has never, and will never declare a revelation to be valid that contradicts the Bible or the teachings of Jesus.

 

[guanophore]

Your last quote there explains it all. There are many “I am” quotes that Jesus said about Himself. He described Himself as THEE ONLY WAY. Yet, your “lady” says that she’s the “way”.
“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.”
“There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary.” (1917)
“Pray the Rosary every day, in order to obtain peace for the world.”
Why do you have to say the “Hail Mary” over 50 times? Does she not hear you the first time?

You are now saying that I’m blaspheming your “lady”. I tell you that Jesus says if anybody speaks a word against Him, it will be forgiven; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven. (Luke 12:9-10)

Contradictions? The Word of God is bluntly in your face and you are denying it.

Face to face? No, rather, side by side… looking towards our Savior. There is no other. Jesus IS the Lamb of God who, He alone, takes away our sin.

It’s not Mary that you are looking at. It’s a demon in disguise, fooling even the very elect. If you follow that demon, you’ll be in Hell forever.

kujo, no one can say that “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit. Mary rejoices in God, her Saviour. He is the one who makes her heart immaculate. Her heart is so full of Him that there is no longer any distinction. She has died, and her life is hidden with Christ in God.

Paul said the same, and do you think he is a demon in disguise?

Mary, as are all of us, is entrusted with a commission to share the good news.

1 Cor 9:17
I am entrusted with a commission…

If we imitate the life of Mary, we will imitate Christ. Just as Paul urges his disciples :

1 Cor 11:1
1:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ."

Mary is who she is by the Grace of God, just as Paul:

1 Cor 15:9-10
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain."

Mary is doing the work of the Lord, by bringing souls to Christ, just as Paul:

1 Cor 16:10
…doing the work of the Lord, as I am."

She can call upon all of us to become like herself, as she has consecrated her whole being to God, just as Paul did:

Gal 4:12
12 Brethren, I beseech you, become as I am…

She is an ambassador for Christ, just as Paul was:

Eph 6:19-20
opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador"

In her is fulfilled the promise that has been made in Christ to all who are “in” Him:

1 Peter 1:16
6 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”

I think you just cannot somehow fathom the destiny that God has in mind for humanity, that we be raised, and seated with him on his throne in glory.

So, even if it sounds right and it’s not, you’ll accept it anyway? If Jesus taught that He, Himself, is the only Way, and He quoted a bunch of “I ams”, WHY would Mary come by and say “I will” and direct acction towards herself?

Well, kujo, we know them also by their fruits. We know that, through the appearances of the Virgin, many have returned to the Lord.

Mary says “I will” because she is the eternal “yes” to the Father. She has always said “Let it be done to me according to your will”, and “I am the handmaid of the Lord”. There is no distinction between her will, and that of the Father. She has died, and her life is hidden with Christ in God.

The RCC has Mary listening and interceding prayers from more than one person at a time. Sounds like a god-like being to me.

Actually, it is not the RCC that “has” Mary doing this, it is Jesus. If He chooses to make her one of His great “cloud of witnesses” who are you to say unto the potter, “WHY”?

For Mary, to live is Christ.

The world can only hear Christ through you if you speak His Words according to His Will.
It is NOT the Will of a jealous God for you to have any other “god” nor to make or worship or bow to images from Heaven.

At least we are in agreement about SOMETHING!

 

[LordHaveMercy]

Maybe it is all that killing that prevents us from seeing the peace in Islam?

I’m sorry, but that made me laugh so hard when i read that

 

[lak611]

So, if the “church” accepts the word of the “our lady of fatima” as “law”, then all the members of the “church” MUST accept it? Even if it contradicts the Bible and Jesus, Himself?

The Church has never forced anyone to accept private revelation. So, no, if one chooses not to believe in Fatima, that is acceptable.

 

[sosayi1960]

No Catholic here say we are superior. You may preceived it that way from your point of view. We acknowledge Non-Catholic Christians as separated brothers and sisters in Christ. They are a member of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Most of the time, Non-Catholic Christians are extremely objective to Catholic doctrines and say, “Your wrong. Some even say, The RRC is 125% WRONG in all its teachings.” Do you expect us to idly watch you mock our belief and not defend it? No.

Catholics have a right to explain and defend from individuals who are just pure “Anti-Catholic.”

The Catholic Church my friend stands alone in many morality issues. She stands alone with the issue of contraception, Protestants do not, she is against embryonic stem cell research, yet I have not heard any Protestant minister speak against it, she condemns euthanasia, condemned the Iraq War as an unjust war.

The Protestant Christian ministers just sit and do nothing regarding this issues. Even some liberal Protestants support abortion rights like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.

Protestant Christians belief are divided in varies issues and are not united in faith concerning. In the Catholic Church, there is Apostolic Succession, Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Magisterial Authority (bishops in union with the Pope). In Protestantism, we seek acceptance of gay ordination (Anglican) and blessing gay marriages… One bishop claimed, that “the Bible condemnation of homosexuals is misinterpreted.”

What does the Catholic Church says CCC states,

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

The doctrine of Sola Scriptura allows Liberal Christians (Protestants) to accept Homosexuality… The Catholic Church has stood the steps of time for over 2,000 yrs and My Christian friend, she is not going to the disappear. For this Church, this Catholic Church is the Bride of Jesus Christ.

We, Catholics will defend the Mother Church because she is the Beloved Spouse of Jesus. They are Also One.

Jesus said to Saul on his road to Damascus, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”

Saul is persecuting the Church. Before Protestantism, Christian was always Catholic. Before E. Orthodox, there was only Catholic Church.

All Christians are in commuion with Jesus Christ. He is the savior. Not his Mother Are we not all children of the same God? Does God love Catholics more? Are we not all one body? One Lord, One Faith, One baptism?

 

[Janet_S]

So, there you have it. I watch EWTN with enthusiasm and love Catholic spirituality, abhor anti Catholic nonesense (such as the tired and stupid “Whore of Babylon” assertions, you can’t call a Priest “Fr” stupidity, and mindless, unscriptural and anti intellectual Chick Publications).

Finally, ETWN has done a wonderful job of bringing programs like Protestants (Southern Baptists) have for family issues (ie Catholic Psychologists), youth programs and so on to Catholics. Go EWTN.

Rev North

I love EWTN, too, like you do. Keep on watching it. It’s the best thing on TV.

I’m always surprised at the number of Catholics who criticize EWTN, and I can’t understand why. I heard one Catholic guy here say EWTN was a right-winged, neo fascist organization and was responsible for excommunicating people.

Those who have a problem with EWTN must have a problem with the Church.

I hope you work out your difficulties and come back in the Church. We need you.

Your RCIA instructor gave you the wrong information about the Marian dogmas–they are core teachings of the Church–not just optional.

This is an excellent article (by Mark Shea) that explains the reasons behind Marian devotion:
crisismagazine.com/december2004/feature1.htm

 

[paarsurrey]

Until recently, I always considered a Christian was a Christian was a Christian. But my experience here has taught me that Catholics are different than other Christians, and I don’t like what I have seen. On this forum I have seen **many Catholics present themselves as somehow superior to other types of Christians **(a viewpoint with which I do not hold when it is reversed either) .
Thus, I would not likely ever become a Catholic as long as there were other Christian communities that understood that the true Church of Jesus Christ was universally inclusive of ALL Christians, regardless of denominational affiliation, available to me.

Hi
I agree with you that anybody of any denomination should be equally respected, JWs and Mormons also as they call themselves Christians or sometimes the only Christians…
I am a TrueChristian as well, as I am TrueMuslim , in fact I am a truebeliever of every revealed religion, though I truthfully express myself as Ahmadi denoting the above fact.
I love Jesus and Mary.
ThanksI am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[kellie]

Hi
I agree with you that anybody of any denomination should be equally respected, JWs and Mormons also as they call themselves Christians or sometimes the only Christians…
I am a TrueChristian as well, as I am TrueMuslim , in fact I am a truebeliever of every revealed religion, though I truthfully express myself as Ahmadi denoting the above fact.
I love Jesus and Mary.
ThanksI am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

But you don’t believe Jesus IS God, so how can you be a true believer of Catholicism?

 

[Good_Fella]

Paarsurrey, the Catholic theolgian Arius (250-336AD) of the See of Alexandria
was a Christian, but an untrue Christian and a heretic; for he rejected the
belief in Christ’s divinity. Mohammed rejected the crucifixion of Christ, for to
accept this event he would have had to acknowledge Christ’s divinity. (Jesus was
sentenced to death for claiming to be divine like his heavenly Father.) You
reject both the divinity of Christ and his crucifixion, and you are probably
unbaptised. So how can you possibly be a “true Christian” while espousing
another religion even? You fail to make any sense. At most, you could be an
“annonymous” Christian.

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” [John 10:27]

 

[paarsurrey]

But you don’t believe Jesus IS God, so how can you be a true believer of Catholicism?

Hi
I respect your religion and have no objection on whatever you believe, that is your right.
I also have the same right, I think you won’t deny that. I sincerely believe from OTBible&NTBible and history ( I won’t mention here Quran as you don’t believe in Quran) that JesusYeshua did not die and could not die on Cross, so with that finishes the question of his being God. I do believe that he was a truthful ProphetMessenger of GodAllahYHWH and I am a true follower of JesusYeshuaIssa. OTBible&NTBible also mention prophecies, which had been fullfilled in the person of Muhammad, so being a true believer of Moses and Jesus I had to accept Muhammad also, if I don’t believe in Muhammad, that tantamount to disbelieving Moses and Jesus. This way I am a true,sincere and real believer of Jesus. I think you would appreciate and understand that. I don’t say that anybody should convert to Islam or Ahmadia, that would be automaticall done when one is reasonably convinced, otherwise no need.May GodAllahYHWh bless you!
Thanks you
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[Grace_Seeker]

Hi
I agree with you that anybody of any denomination should be equally respected, JWs and Mormons also as they call themselves Christians or sometimes the only Christians…
I am a TrueChristian as well, as I am TrueMuslim , in fact I am a truebeliever of every revealed religion, though I truthfully express myself as Ahmadi denoting the above fact.
I love Jesus and Mary.
ThanksI am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

Well, given my previous statement of unity in the body of Christ, you may wonder where I am about to come from, but I do understand why my Catholic brothers and sisters hold to not compromising their doctrinal positions in saying what makes a person a Christian. And with them I would agree that those that deny the Trinity, especially on the basis of denying the diety of Christ, can hardly be acknowledged as Christian. Some Catholics do go farther than that, and that is where I take exception.

As far as being Ahmadi and seeking to see yourself as a true believer of every religion. You might find every religion other than Ahamdi and Bahai having a hard time acknowledging that. There are teachings in the Qur’an that simply are incompatible with teachings in the Bible. If you accept one as the authentic word of God you cannot accept the other and remain a rationally consistent thinking person. Given that, I cannot recognize Muhammad as a true prophet, nor any “supposed” prophet that has arisen since Jesus who was the perfect revelation of God to humanity.

God has done a new thing in Jesus Christ. He has won us, we do not win salvation for ourselves. We work it out in response to his grace, but that is not the actual means of our salvation, God’s grace is what secures it for us. I don’t think these are the teachings found in Ahmadi. Indeed the teachings of Ahmadi are unique enough unto itself that the majority of Islam will not recognize it as being true to Islam. In that sense I can empathize with you that you think you should be seen as brothers by Sunni and Shia but are not. Now, if you can put your Qur’an aside and, in contradiction to it, actually worship Jesus as both Lord and God, I will be glad to call you not just a brother in humanity but also a brother in Christ.