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Mannyfit75
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LMAO…so Much for Luke’s list of lies… rather than invention…
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JoeyWarren
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Yep, it is a sad state that Luke cannot think independently for himself. He has to listen and believe in propaganda. Just a little unbiased research would render the truth if one is truely open to the truth. It requires a paradigm shift(fancy phrase for repentance).
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kujo313
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LukeJ, this religion claims to be right because some one from their own religion said so, just as a islamic says about islam and so on.
This religion does not apply itself on Scripture alone but by also what was “said” by one of their own throughout the years. The one common item between the RCC and all the Protestant denominations IS Scripture and there’s where the RCC does not want to stand. Their “traditions” are expained away by themselves until they believe it, and they take their focus off of Christ and the only Way to God.
One example is that Jesus, born without sin, was born at all. Instead of keeping focus on the only One who fulfills all of the law and prophets, they focus on that AND Mary. Yet, in Scripture (the Gospels were included as “Scripture” by Peter in one of his letters (visual ‘evidence’ and not heresay)), Jesus refutes it: “Who is my mother and who are my brothers? Those who do the Will of God IS my mother and my brothers”
THAT includes you and I. My own mother, therefore, can be called “Mother of Jesus” or as the RCC puts it “Mother of God.”
When God spoke through a burning bush to Moses, he dind’t focus on the bush itself but he focused on God. When Jesus ascended to Heaven, the apostles didn’t worship at the place of ascension, but at the temple.
Not saying that what the RCC focuses on is not right, but it should only be secondary to God. If anything needs to be held onto with all their heart, mind, soul and strength, it should be a relationship with God THROUGH the only Way: Jesus Christ with the mindset that there is only One Mediator between God and us: Jesus, Himself.
It’s like the parable of the ten virgins. Five was ready for the bridegroom while the other five was not. The 2nd five went to the ready ones and said “give us some”. The 1st five said, “go to where we got ours from.” What I’m saying is that instead of going to Mary or any other to get to Jesus, just go to God, Himself with nobody having to tell you that.
The RCC says that Mary shows them the way to Jesus. I don’t know about you, but I only have to be given directions once. After that, I don’t need some one’s directions anymore.
Me —> Jesus —> God.
Can’t be easier than that.
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Eschato
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No. The Church doesn’t allow divorce.
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MariaG
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Hi:wave:
Welcome to the forums.
I invite you to go to the Catholic Answers Home. There are many short and easy to read tracts that answer many of these questions.
Call No Man Father? is one of them. I encourage you to read it and come back and discuss it
Catholic Answers Library
God Bless,
Maria
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MariaG
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I did not say that God dwelt inside the ark.
I said the Ark carried the word of God.
Mary carried the Word, (John 1:1)
God Bless,
Maria
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believers
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It doesn’t matter what you’d like to call it.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
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believers
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The “graven images” part of God’s Commandment has been buried in the First. Then completely cut off in it’s official teachings and displays of the 10 Commandments. Most Catholics don’t even know that it exists.Hello,
The first two commandments, according to Protestant counting, deal with the same thing - worshiping the one true God and idolatry. Those last two commandments, according to Protestant counting, deal with two completely different things - coveting a neighbor’s wife and coveting a neighbor’s goods, just as one commandment deals with adultery and another deals with stealing.
I tell you what, go tell your wife that she is in the same category as your big screen TV and tools and then we’ll talk - when you get out of the hospital.
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pprimeau1976
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I am going to borrow from Chesterton:
The Catholic Church does not contradict Scripture, Catholics contradict scripture.
The Catholic Church does not contradict Scripture, Catholics contradict scripture.
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Valke2
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how can something develop withou changing?
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
Imagine that this balloon is a doctrine. You begin and you right off notice that it is red. A week later, after staring at this balloon for a couple of hours every day, you determine that it is oval in shape. A month goes by, still with your pondering upon it, you come to the conclusion that the balloon is filled with some sort of gaseous substance. The following year, still pondering on it, you realize that the gaseous substance is helium.
Now, has the balloon changed at all in the course of this time? No, it has not. But, your understanding of it has - it has deepened and expanded like a balloon (pun intended
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That is how a doctrine can develop.
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Imagine that this balloon is a doctrine. You begin and you right off notice that it is red. A week later, after staring at this balloon for a couple of hours every day, you determine that it is oval in shape. A month goes by, still with your pondering upon it, you come to the conclusion that the balloon is filled with some sort of gaseous substance. The following year, still pondering on it, you realize that the gaseous substance is helium.
Now, has the balloon changed at all in the course of this time? No, it has not. But, your understanding of it has - it has deepened and expanded like a balloon (pun intended
).That is how a doctrine can develop.
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JMJ_coder
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Hello,
Any properly catechized Catholic knows the Ten Commandments. And they know what they say, too.
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Valke2
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The baloon as an object has not changed. Your understanding a/k/a doctrine, has. If you are adding to something you are changing it. If you are adding to your understanding, you are changing your understanding, aren’t you?Hello,
http://henrystrongingoldberg.blogspot.com/red balloon.gif
Imagine that this balloon is a doctrine. You begin and you right off notice that it is red. A week later, after staring at this balloon for a couple of hours every day, you determine that it is oval in shape. A month goes by, still with your pondering upon it, you come to the conclusion that the balloon is filled with some sort of gaseous substance. The following year, still pondering on it, you realize that the gaseous substance is helium.
Now, has the balloon changed at all in the course of this time? No, it has not. But, your understanding of it has - it has deepened and expanded like a balloon (pun intended
That is how a doctrine can develop.
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JoeyWarren
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And if you try to punch holes in this Doctrine(balloon), Satan comes out with a loud noise(balloon bursting) and scares you! Then you become scared of the Doctrine(balloon). Then unfortunately this fright gets passed on to others as horror stories at a campfire…Hello,
http://henrystrongingoldberg.blogspot.com/red balloon.gif
Imagine that this balloon is a doctrine. You begin and you right off notice that it is red. A week later, after staring at this balloon for a couple of hours every day, you determine that it is oval in shape. A month goes by, still with your pondering upon it, you come to the conclusion that the balloon is filled with some sort of gaseous substance. The following year, still pondering on it, you realize that the gaseous substance is helium.
Now, has the balloon changed at all in the course of this time? No, it has not. But, your understanding of it has - it has deepened and expanded like a balloon (pun intended
That is how a doctrine can develop.
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Valke2
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No fair. I posted my criticism before reading this.
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JoeyWarren
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your criticism had not posted when I started this. You’ve must’ve beat me by a few milli-seconds…
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LukeJ
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WHAT?!?! What do you think I’m doing here? I’m researching by asking Catholics about this stuff. How could you say that I can’t think indepenently, and I believe in propaganda? Didn’t you read the first part of my post? I’m not trying to put down the church, or even saying I believe that stuff. I just want to hear the other side of the story.
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believers
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That’s false. The majority of roman catholics have no idea about the “graven images” part of the ten commandments. Most can’t even recite your “catechetical formula” version. Most can’t even point to the 10 commandments in the Bible.Hello,
Any properly catechized Catholic knows the Ten Commandments. And they know what they say, too.
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kellie
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Do you have statistics on that? Because I know I was taught all 10 at school, and still know them.
So do all my friends, family, and parish members.
Quite often during my life, there have been times when we joke around and quote a Commandment, or make a new one such as “Thou shalt always make me a coffee”. It is part and parcel of being Catholic, to include Catholic teachings in every day life in a light hearted mood.
Graven images is one of those Commandments that has been used like this.
I am not saying this as meaning it is ok to make fun of Scripture. I am making the point that Catholic teachings are such a huge part of our lives, that they are used every day, I am sure many of you have had a laugh about a joke that involves a Catholic, a Rabbi, and an atheist at a bar etc.
So if “most Catholics” don’t know of the graven image Commandment how do you account for the fact that we include it in everyday language?
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kujo313
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Forbidding to Marry
In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of “priests” it states:
“In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.”
It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled “Celibacy and the Priesthood” in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, “. . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry.” But then, “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,
It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.
Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.
It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, “forbidding to marry”, not “forbidding to marry as human beings.” Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the “Eastern Rites”),
Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.
A deacon, though, can marry. My uncle did twice.
In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of “priests” it states:
“In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.”
It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled “Celibacy and the Priesthood” in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, “. . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry.” But then, “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,
It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.
Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.
It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, “forbidding to marry”, not “forbidding to marry as human beings.” Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the “Eastern Rites”),
Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.
A deacon, though, can marry. My uncle did twice.
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