Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

[Ridgerunner]

If so, so what? King Cyrus is called “righteous” in the O.T. because, notwithstanding that he remained a pagan and a conqueror of nations, he freed the Israelites and aided them to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem.

But he remained a pagan. Give me a King Cyrus rather than a King Herod anytime.

 

[pnewton]

Please explain how a MAGA hat is incompatible with Catholicism.

Here is a whole thread on this specific topic:

Do Catholics really want to be aligned with MAGA? Catholic News

Again, Church doctrine clearly does state how abortion kills the innocent, in that it is just not the same thing as the death penalty though, the DP probably has erred in that manner too and innocent persons surely, have been killed. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm For whatever, I’m co…

My first answer was in post 55, and was really too lengthy to quote, but is based on the difference between patriotism and nationalism, as well as the implication that America is no longer a great country. I also found Michelle Obama’s statement that she was proud of America for the first time to be offensive on the same level.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Sometimes “make America great again” just means “make America great again”. The nefarious meanings maliciously attached to it by the left do not determine whether Catholic teenagers ought to consider it to have any meaning other than its obvious meaning.

But do I think they made a mistake wearing those hats? Indeed I do. Possibly they didn’t know the Trump-hating left would read meanings into them that aren’t there and hate them for it as well. But they should have.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I did not mean to offend you with the bible. Others for whom it has meaning will perhaps understand the reference and care about it.

 

[Victoria33]

My first answer was in post 55, and was really too lengthy to quote, but is based on the difference between patriotism and nationalism, as well as the implication that America is no longer a great country. I also found Michelle Obama’s statement that she was proud of America for the first time to be offensive on the same level.

Okay, but someone explained that nationalism was being compared to “globalism”, meaning there is a context here.

Also, one can point to evils in society. i won’t enumerate them, the boards discuss these issues. These are not good things. We could talk about making America great again and doing away with these evils.

What if the evil I was talking about was discrimination? I saw how a poll indicated that race relations have been declining and not since President Trump was elected but declined under the previous president? Maybe making America great has to do with eliminating poor race relations.

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Again, Bernie Sanders’ campaign slogan was “Feel the Bern”. What does that have to do with? Burning down our cities? That would be a silly interpretation but perhaps one could make such a case.

Dr. Ben Carson’s campaign was “Heal, Inspire, Resuscitate”. What does that mean? The nation needs to heal? The nation needs to be resuscitated?

re·sus·ci·tate
VERB

1. revive (someone) from unconsciousness or apparent death.

So, the good doctor’s slogan was saying the nation was unconscious or in apparent death? Doesn’t sound to positive.

I think anyone can make out whatever they want to if they make from mere campaign slogans.

The economy likewise, apparently, I’m no expert and I don’t mean to mislead anyone but was apparently sputtering under Obama with low GDP and high employment, so why would it be wrong to say “Make America Great Again”?

 

[Ridgerunner]

It’s hated and given horrible attributes because it was Trump’s. If one of his slogans had been “We can do better” (and if JFK hadn’t already used it) it would be just as attacked and hated.

(Come to think of it, they’re not so very different, are they?)

 

[Ridgerunner]

Nobody here claimed Trump was “chosen by God”, only that one could be grateful for Trump because of his accomplishments so far, even if his personal morals are not sterling (and who knows what they are today?) just as the Israelites were grateful for King Cyrus. (and should have been)

Even secular people can surely recognize that there are some things in the bible that have a certain wisdom to them.

 

[Drum-in-Face]

You speak words of truth.

 

[Victoria33]

According to wikipedia, the Reagan campaign also used “Make America Great Again” in 1980.

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[Ridgerunner]

I didn’t say that. What I did say, or attempted to demonstrate, was that it is usually wise to be grateful to our benefactors even if we do not find them perfect in every way or even if we disapprove of some of their ways.

 

[pnewton]

Sometimes “make America great again” just means “make America great again”.

Okay, but someone explained that nationalism was being compared to “globalism”, meaning there is a context here.

I was just refuting to the idea that only a Democrat would not like that slogan or that hat. On the thread I linked above, I did my best to stick to the specifics of the MAGA slogan, not the president in general or either party’s platform.

According to wikipedia, the Reagan campaign also used “Make America Great Again” in 1980.

That is so funny. I vaguely remember the other one about asking if you were better off four years ago. I think Bonzo could have won on that platform, after the gas lines of 1979. I voted for Reagan, of course.

 

[JimG]

I never have paid much attention to campaign slogans, or to campaign ads for that matter. It just seems strange that a rather mundane campaign slogan printed on a souvenir hat could somehow be transformed into a symbol of evil. I had no idea myself that this slogan was so reviled, so I wouldn’t have expected teenagers to know it.

 

[EnglishYew]

“Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake.”
Matt. 5:11

 

[EnglishYew]

Message on the Diocese of Covington website:
“Sorry for the inconvenience.
Our website is currently undergoing maintenance.
Thank you for your understanding.”

I understand. The high school’s website is still down, too. Bullied by haters, spurred on by the reckless leftist media.

 

[Metis1]

I’m not really sure how to respond to such a false and exaggerated comparison, especially one that puts the past democratic presidents in line with Mother Teresa! and President Trump with Hitler.

That’s not what I was saying as I just drew an exaggerated comparison to get the point across that the use of “false equivalencies” is not the reality.

 

[Metis1]

Where does this information come from??? Immorally on a daily basis???

The news.

Since I’m retired, and since I’ve long been considered a “news freak”, I draw from many different news sources each day, and I always use a variety of sources since I don’t trust any in particular. Also, since I taught a poli sci course for roughly 25 years, this is right up my alley to begin with.

Also, I always try to deal with things objectively even though I have political and economic “leanings” since it was my job was to teach it as such and not my own personal opinions.

 

[Metis1]

The media has been pushing and driving this hate so much that the good that President Trump does is almost invisible,

First of all, this is called “scapegoating”, and let me remind you that Trump has been doing this since he entered the primaries with his “fake news” charges.

Generally speaking, the major news networks do not use “hate” against Trump or anyone else, but if you were to be consistent, what about all the hate-filled rhetoric from Fox when Obama was president? O’Reilly, Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingram, Ann Coulter, etc. Heck, one would think Obama was Satan the way they slanted the “news”.

One thing I always told my students to do, and that is never allow themselves to get tied to any one news source or just news sources that feed their “confirmation bias”.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I never have paid much attention to campaign slogans, or to campaign ads for that matter. It just seems strange that a rather mundane campaign slogan printed on a souvenir hat could somehow be transformed into a symbol of evil. I had no idea myself that this slogan was so reviled, so I wouldn’t have expected teenagers to know it.

it probably depends on where you are. Around here, a MAGA hat wouldn’t be noticed, particularly, and would mean “Make America Great Again” and nothing more. But then, this area is not dissimilar to Ky where those kids live. The “MAGA=KKK” notion is probably not uncommon in the urban parts of “blue” states. But then, to them the same is likely true of being from Ky or the Ozarks at all.

I don’t envy those living in Dem parts of the country who hear “dog whistles” all day long; a sort of “liberal tinnitus”.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

scapegoating”, and let me remind you that Trump has been doing this since he entered the primaries with

It’s not scapegoating if you know the cause.
Plus past presidents have complained about the media also

Generally speaking, the major news networks do not use “hate” against Trump

Yes they do. I use to be able watch the news but due to the anger and hate I rarely watch it. There are a few selected news places I will read the news but that is about it.

what about all the hate-filled rhetoric from Fox when Obama was president?

My point exactly.

Media biases.

 

[Metis1]

Yes they do. I use to be able watch the news but due to the anger and hate I rarely watch it. There are a few selected news places I will read the news but that is about it.

I think you’re likely conflating “facts” and “anger”.

I don’t hate Trump as I’m a long believer in “hate the sin, not the sinner”, but what Trump has repeatedly said and done is even causing many Republicans to actually leave the party or disassociate themselves from him, especially real political and/or economic conservatives who actually believe in the “rule of law”.

Also, can you tell us which “selected news places” you now watch or read?