Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

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I’ve been pretty liberal all my life. No party affiliation, and I love Trump.

But I also believe in liberty and individual autonomy. That’s why I could never be a Democrat. Leftists tell you words you can’t say, what you have to think, what you can’t eat and want to mingle in interfere with every aspect of one’s life. In love with death or the culture of death, gay marriage, euthanasia, abortion, poor MS13.

No thanks, I’ll have freedom over oppressive ideological dogma.
 
Yes, I listen to Larry Elder maybe up to 12 hours some weeks, so I’m sure that gives me some sort of authority, Jesse Lee Peterson too. One can look him up. I challenge anyone who listens to someone like Elder that many times a week.

Have we seen a lot of out-of-wedlock-births in some communities?

Are there some communities that suffer from these frequent problems?

Why in turn, are there some Conservatives, I don’t know about party affiliation like Larry Elder? They seem to be in the minority but does that mean they are wrong?

It should be observed how the polling data was just dumped into this thread, how a word was used that people of that community used and no response was submitted but some sort of moral superiority.

And why has Donald Trump’s administration seen these historic low unemployment numbers for women and some minorities? I"m just curious.
 
I also think it is extremely unkind to make these statements about “pro-life in a broader context”, what is this suppose to mean? This person’s word is worth more than the Popes who have told us numerous on certain intrinsic and grave evils? Is this person just justifying their votes for pro-abortion politicians? Please don’t unload it on me that I should too if that is the case? Or not to vote for pro-life politicians.

Likewise, one can toss in this or that statement, this group of people doesn’t trust so and so? So what? When has the mob been the rule of this country?

Maybe some dwell on certain subjects to be combative with others. You don’t have that authority. I don’t think anyone does.
 
gracepoole said:
You assume that all blacks who don’t support Trump are just interested in living off the government teat? Saying you “don’t want to use demeaning arguments” is kind of problematic if you really are making that assumption.
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I’m saying a lot of blacks are supporting Trump. There are some who have their heels dug in for traditional reasons, I guess… but there are some who appreciate the strides that have been taken to improve situations for ALL Americans and President Trump feels like all citizens should be listened to and be able to count on politicians to keep their word. We haven’t heard that for lots of years…

I’m amazed at what he has been able to accomplish what with the resist movement and all the hateful publicity, much of what has been fake… I pray that we can all see what he has really done and encourage him to do more…
 
TheBard said:
March for Life organizers are now fully apologizing to the Covington boys.
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I’m glad to see they are apologizing and that they realize that the teens suffered
“real and inexcusable intimidation, insults and harassment”
 
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Thank you. I followed your advice and read up on that matter. It is still an assumption to suggest that the wearing of such a hat indicates racism. Its meaning may well be specific to each individual who chooses to purchase the hat as well as specific to each individual who regards the wearer of such hat.
For example, own family, has experienced Klan violence, and I do not associate the hat with the Klan.
 
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dvdjs said:
Good grief. This outlier Rasmussen poll was debunked long ago, as was pointed out on the forum just a day ago.
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Not really. A Dem asserted that the Dem polling sources are all accurate while Rasmussen is not. No proof, of course, and we know how that turned out in 2016.
 
dvdjs said:
Why would you think that, given that half the Catholic vote in the presidential last election went for Hillary Clinton
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Untrue, of course. The majority of Catholics voted for Trump.

www.pewresearch.org

How the faithful voted: A preliminary 2016 analysis

The 2016 presidential exit polling reveals little change in the political alignments of U.S. religious groups.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

But that’s not the point. To the extent any Catholics voted the abortion ticket, it’s a terrible shame and properly an embarrassment to the Church.
 
gracepoole said:
Why is it, then, that the majority of African-Americans believe he’s done a horrible job re: race relations?
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Exactly, and when one objectively reviews Trump’s past, a pattern of bigotry emerges that not only is anti-black but also anti-Hispanic. Part of that is obvious when he asked last year why aren’t we having more people who “look like Norwegians” coming to America? And then there’s his statement on the “Mexican judge”, who was born and grew up in Indiana, who he said should recuse himself from a court case he was involved in. And there’s more where this comes from as you well know but his supporters will overlook it or just excuse it all away.
 
Ridgerunner said:
A Dem asserted that the Dem
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Hardly. The article showed multiple other polls that had consistent results at about one-third of what Rasmussen was polling, ostensibly - the details of Rasmussen poll were not generally released.
Ridgerunner said:
Untrue,
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  1. Not untrue - and your know the more thorough evidence that supplanted this preliminary analysis, as it was linked in response to you, linked or you just eight days ago. Why Ex-Churchgoers Flocked to Trump - #18 by dvdjs
    New data suggest Clinton, not Trump, won Catholic vote | America Magazine
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of course.
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I beg your pardon.
Ridgerunner said:
But that’s not the point.
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The point is: given that half the Catholic vote in the presidential last election went for Hillary Clinton, why do you suggest that they would not admit it?
 
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I never stated nor implied that most blacks do, but the point that I was making is that some do, and they have a reason for feeling as such that is logical even if one doesn’t agree with it. Personally, I don’t make that association.

Trump has been and is a very polarizing figure, and race relations has been just one area whereas we have witnessed that, but it’s also that kind of behavior of his that also helped to get him elected because so many had an ax to grind.
 
We have been through all of this before, and simply repeating the same stuff doesn’t add anything. However, your last question is new. I think many Catholics might not admit to having voted for the abortion ticket in the last election because they don’t want to admit they support abortion.

And, of course, half the vote did not go for Clinton. All the same, it was a shamefully large number, bespeaking either terrible catechesis on the part of Catholics or terrible corruption. But one can hope for the future.
 
BREAKING NEWS! Not everything happening relates to the issue of abortion!
 
Ridgerunner said:
We have been through all of this before, and simply repeating the same stuff doesn’t add anything.
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Then why the repetition of this multiply contradicted, outlier Rasmussen poll, or this supplanted Pew preliminary analysis?
Ridgerunner said:
half the vote did not go for Clinton
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The best estimate of the true value of the split in the vote between Clinton and Trump was about 50:50, and my guess, in the absence of data to contrary is that those who voted for either are unashamed of their vote.
 
dvdjs said:
Then why the repetition of this multiply contradicted, outlier Rasmussen poll, or this supplanted Pew preliminary analysis ?
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You are missing my point about the polls, so I have no desire to keep at it. As to the Pew exit poll, you have given us not a single reason to doubt it.

If those who voted for the abortion candidate are unashamed of having done so, they certainly should be. Just think, if Clinton had been elected, there would now be two additional pro-abortionists on the Court and a possibility of a third coming on, with no possibility of change for decades.

I’m done here.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
As to the Pew exit poll, you have given us not a single reason to doubt it.
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I have. It is a “preliminary analysis”, made on the basis of the limited exit poll data. A more substantial follow up has been published that is probably whose results are likely within the MoE of the Pew study, But that latter analysis makes it clear that the split was essentially even.
 
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