Nathan Phillips rally attempted to disrupt Mass at DC’s National Shrine

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empacae said:
I’ve been pretty liberal all my life. No party affiliation, and I love Trump.

But I also believe in liberty and individual autonomy. That’s why I could never be a Democrat. Leftists tell you words you can’t say, what you have to think, what you can’t eat and want to mingle in interfere with every aspect of one’s life. In love with death or the culture of death, gay marriage, euthanasia, abortion, poor MS13.

No thanks, I’ll have freedom over oppressive ideological dogma.
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Nailed it. Can’t wear MAGA hat, it’s racist. Can’t use the word Plantation, it’s racist. I should compile a list.
 
I could make it easier for you: “If you’re not a Democrat, you’re racist.”

List done. 🙂
 
The main reason people see MAGA hats and President Trump indicating racism or race relations, is due to the main stream media saying over and over again that is what the hats and President Trump stand for until people believed it.

Just the same way the media deceived everyone about Covington.

If more Catholics voted democratic in the last presidential election as some say the polls indicate, then that shows some pretty bad light on the state of our Church and that many Catholics are being pulled away from the faith.

We need to pray for Catholics and the next presidential election.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
If more Catholics voted democratic in the last presidential election as some say the polls indicate, then that shows some pretty bad light on the state of our Church and that many Catholics are being pulled away from the faith.
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And exactly how does Trump reflect our Catholic faith? adultery? groping? forcably kissing? lies? demeaning others? hurting the poor and elderly with his tax cuts? racist behavior and words (I recommend you do the homework on that)? chanting “Lock her up!” that would violate our basic rule of law? him saying that he doesn’t pray nor does he need God’s forgiveness? locking children up in cages made necessary by his refusal to hire more judges and lawyers even though he was warned to do as such? his refusal to show his taxes after he promised he would? breaking laws whereas he’s had to pay fines (twice in 2016 alone)? Etc?

Matter of fact, exactly what has he said and done that fits into Catholic social teachings?
 
Metis1 said:
Matter of fact, exactly what has he said and done that fits into Catholic social teachings?
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From the 2018 Campaign for Life Gala :
“When a mother and a father hold a new baby in their arms, they are changed forever,” the president said. “When a child says, ‘Mommy or Daddy,’ for the first time, there is nothing like it anywhere in the world. No matter what you do, there is nothing like it. When parents watch their children thrive and grow, they are filled with joy beyond words and a love beyond measure. When we look into the eyes of a newborn child, there is no doubt we see the beauty of human soul and the mystery of God’s great creation.”
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And more from that same speech:
When we stand for life, we stand for the true source of America’s greatness. It’s our people — our people are great. It’s the people who grace our lives, who sustain our communities, and who make America a nation, a home, and this magnificent land that we all love so much.

As long as we have faith in our citizens, confidence in our values, and trust in our God, then we will never, ever fail. Our nation will thrive. Our people will prosper. And America will be greater than ever before. And that’s what’s happening."
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Metis1 said:
And exactly how does Trump reflect our Catholic faith? adultery? groping? forcably kissing? lies? demeaning others? hurting the poor and elderly with his tax cuts? racist behavior and words (I recommend you do the homework on that)? chanting “Lock her up!” that would violate our basic rule of law? him saying that he doesn’t pray nor does he need God’s forgiveness? locking children up in cages made necessary by his refusal to hire more judges and lawyers even though he was warned to do as such? his refusal to show his taxes after he promised he would? breaking laws whereas he’s had to pay fines (twice in 2016 alone)? Etc?
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You don’t really expect a Trump supporter to address any of those, do you?
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’ll try to watch closely to see if any do.
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I’ll make it easy for you. I am not a Democrat and find the slogan out of line with my faith, though I would not say I find it offensive.

Comparing this hat to a klan hood though, is offensive to me. Those people are so evil with such a long history of immorality that the comparison should be offensive to all the victims of klan violence over the last century. A more apt comparison would be the Confederate battle flag about a generation ago. It was seen as a symbol of racism to some, pride to others. I know the media is primarily responsible for bringing this change about (with these hats), but the president’s own words have contributed. In any case, the fact that the hat is offensive to some might bear on the decision to wear it in certain cases.
 
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So, as I said in my post, neither the democrats not the republicans are Catholic parties but there are issues in the democratic platform that if a Catholic supports puts their soul in grave danger.

As far as the adultery, groping, lies, demeaning others, rejecting God, not following the Catholic faith, immigrants kept in fenced in structures, breaking laws, deception, those things happen in both parties, as I am sure you would agree.

President Trump is not a perfect person, for sure, just like the rest of us and all the other presidents. He may not even be a Christian. I do not know. I can not read his heart but he is Christian friendly and pro-life friendly in his politics and right now we need that.
 
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That was just a deflection on your part since it really doesn’t address the points I posted. Plus there’s much more to the issue of basic morality than just the issue of abortion.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
As far as the adultery, groping, lies, demeaning others, rejecting God, not following the Catholic faith, immigrants kept in fenced in structures, breaking laws, deception, those things happen in both parties, as I am sure you would agree.
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The name for the above response is “false equivalency”. It’s like putting Hitler and Mother Theresa at exactly the same moral level because they both have sinned.

I don’t expect politicians to be saints, but neither do I expect them to act any where near as immorally as Trump does on almost a daily basis. Even his own intelligence advisers yesterday in a major hearing, all of them Republicans and Trump appointees, took strong issue with his positions on ISIS, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and climate change. On all of these and more, Trump has persistently lied to the American people.

And why would Trump be more aligned with Putin, as we’ve repeatedly seen, than his own security advisers that he appointed? Why has he had closed-door meetings with Putin with no other American in the room, including his own advisers?

There’s more that involves basic Christian morality than just the issue of abortion and, frankly, I believe Trump used that issue to pander to Christians because he always was Pro-Choice in the past. I’m pretty sure that he realized that there was no way for him to secure the Republican nomination unless he pandered to keep so many of them solidly in his support base.

BTW, just a reminder that I am Pro-Life.
 
Metis1 said:
That was just a deflection on your part since it really doesn’t address the points I posted
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Not at all.
You asked, and I quote:
“Matter of fact, exactly what has he said and done that fits into Catholic social teachings?”

And I answered.
Perhaps you should have been more careful with your question if you didn’t want his pro life record brought up.
 
Please explain how a MAGA hat is incompatible with Catholicism. These kids rode on a bus all the way from Kentucky to march on pavement in the cold and undergo abuse and you’re saying they are acting contrary to their faith?

You’re admitting you find the hats offensive because the left media has characterized them as offensive. Might as well buy their initial condemnation of those Kentucky boys too. So we’re now to take our view of what Catholicism is from the left wing media? REally?
 
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Fine, you found one item, but what about the numerous others I mentioned?
 
MagdalenaRita said:
So, as I said in my post, neither the democrats not the republicans are Catholic parties but there are issues in the democratic platform that if a Catholic supports puts their soul in grave danger.

As far as the adultery, groping, lies, demeaning others, rejecting God, not following the Catholic faith, immigrants kept in fenced in structures, breaking laws, deception, those things happen in both parties, as I am sure you would agree.

President Trump is not a perfect person, for sure, just like the rest of us and all the other presidents. He may not even be a Christian. I do not know. I can not read his heart but he is Christian friendly and pro-life friendly in his politics and right now we need that.
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angel12 said:
You don’t really expect a Trump supporter to address any of those, do you?
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Sometimes nasty cracks can bite you back. Let’s try to keep our posts charitable, on topic, and not assume the worst in people who are “not on your side.” 😃
 
Metis1 said:
putting Hitler and Mother Theresa at exactly the same moral level because they both have sinned.
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I’m not really sure how to respond to such a false and exaggerated comparison, especially one that puts the past democratic presidents in line with Mother Teresa! and President Trump with Hitler.

The media has been pushing and driving this hate so much that the good that President Trump does is almost invisible, while the things he does such as border security, taxes, whatever, which are almost identical to past Republican and Democrat presidents, is portrayed as evil.

This is mostly all because Democrats were so shocked! and upset Hillary lost and Trump one.
 
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Metis1 said:
There’s more that involves basic Christian morality than just the issue of abortion and, frankly, I believe Trump used that issue to pander to Christians because he always was Pro-Choice in the past. I’m pretty sure that he realized that there was no way for him to secure the Republican nomination unless he pandered to keep so many of them solidly in his support base.
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Life is a basic right from which all others flow.

Let’s say Trump really is pro-choice. Well, he reinstated the Mexico City policy, he backed the Little Sisters of the Poor. Actions speak louder than words. I know Ronald Reagan used to be pro-choice, and so did Abby Johnson.

Why can’t we take Trump at his word when he says, “Every life is sacred, and . . . every child is a precious gift from God,” as much as some of the awful things he has said in the past?

How refreshing it is to hear those words from our President, “We know that every life has meaning and that every life is totally worth protecting"

Let’s try not to judge people’s hearts.
 
Metis1 said:
I don’t expect politicians to be saints, but neither do I expect them to act any where near as immorally as Trump does on almost a daily basis.
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Where does this information come from??? Immorally on a daily basis???
 
For sure he did not get elected for his manners and class.

Trump’s policies are never-the-less pro-life.

Let’s not forget that our choice was Hillary or Trump.
 
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