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gracepoole:
I strongly disagree with your assumption here. Plenty of posters have explained that while they aren’t Democrats, then don’t/can’t support Trump. Not everyone who doesn’t support Trump is a Democrat on the down low.
Well, maybe we’ll see someone who claims not to be a Dem who doesn’t spout Dem talking points in every other way one of these days. Until then, I’ll remain unpersuaded.

And on a Catholic site, I’m not sure I would admit to being a Dem either.
But of course, you’re not a Republican. :roll_eyes:
 
I believe the vernacular for a lot of this is “The live on the plantation”. I don’t want to use to demeaning arguments about government assistance and so on but I might not deny in total either.

Trump has plenty of black supporters, The democrats have had the black voting bloc for decades and decades and maybe some people are just looking (not meaning anyone here to make it clear) to call others racist or discriminatory.
So when you see this:

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2554

You assume that all blacks who don’t support Trump are just interested in living off the government teat? Saying you “don’t want to use demeaning arguments” is kind of problematic if you really are making that assumption.
 
I heard one person claim Father Frank Pavone co-opted MAGA because he wore a red cap once on his twitter feed from what I saw looking at his twitter yesterday and that may have been done to show solidarity with the Covington youth group. Now, I want to believe everyone and give them the doubt but some statements seem very reaching. So, yes, I’d say I wonder about a lot of statements that are made.
 
But of course, you’re not a Republican. :roll_eyes:
Nope. But I have long admitted that since I left the Dem party over abortion, I vote Republican almost without exception because nobody else on my ballot is prolife. I did vote for a Dem sheriff candidate a few years back. He at least claimed to be prolife.

Not much choice for a Catholic when it comes to voting or, for that matter, contributing.
 
No, I don’t assume that and I resent such a statement and I would say this typifies someone who may be trying to corner someone into calling them racist. Perhaps your statement should be questioned as well. It seems discriminatory. People can not say things without some subliminal accusation at the least.

There is the expression about the plantation and guess what? I didn’t come up with it.

You’ve got nothing.

Yes, and free immigration will likely not help the African American community.
 
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No, I don’t assume that and I resent such a statement and I would say this typifies someone who may be trying to corner someone into calling them racist. Perhaps your statement should be questioned as well. It seems discriminatory. People can not say things without some subliminal accusation at the least.

There is the expression about the plantation and guess what? I didn’t come up with it.

You’ve got nothing.

Yes, and free immigration will likely not help the African American community.
Do you understand the “plantation” expression that you yourself used?
 
Do you understand the “plantation” expression that you yourself used?
If it’s in English I do. Talk about talking points, your talking points themselves seem very democratic, as long as we are airing such views.
 
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gracepoole:
Do you understand the “plantation” expression that you yourself used?
If it’s in English I do. Talk about talking points, your talking points themselves seem very democratic, as long as we are airing such views.
If you understand that expression, you understand why anyone reading your use of it might easily and honestly assume you’re making assumptions about black Americans that are negative.

 
If you understand that expression, you understand why anyone reading your use of it might easily and honestly assume you’re making assumptions about black Americans that are negative.
No, all you have to argue with is using the race card, your arguments are so weak.

You pull out a news story, what if I pulled out a rap song that uses a form of racial epithets on blacks? Then what? Again, you have nothing except trying to use a race card.

I’m sure on the plantation has been used by many people including blacks themselves.

Here is a black person using the phrase, again, you’ve got nothing except offensive suggestions that sound like Democratic talking points.

Bryant: I am a ‘Runaway Slave’ from the Democrats’ plantation​


 
So you “spout [Republican] talking points in every other way” but no one here should see you as a Republican. Hmm…
Actually, I don’t. I am probably well to the left of you when it comes to the disabled poor, disapproval of politicians selling out to big business. And I’m probably to the left of Richard Trumka and perhaps you when it comes to foreign imports and preservation of jobs in this country.

It’s just when I approve of Trump reinstating the Mexico City Policy, letting the Little Sisters off Obama’s mandate, appointing prolife justices, Dems THINK I’m a Repub. I’ll grant a faithful Catholic can’t be a Dem, but that doesn’t mean they have to therefore be a Repub.
 
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gracepoole:
If you understand that expression, you understand why anyone reading your use of it might easily and honestly assume you’re making assumptions about black Americans that are negative.
No, all you have to argue with is using the race card, your arguments are so weak.
I’m not trying to be difficult, Victoria. I didn’t refer to plantation mentality because I’m aware of how that expression is used. I would gently suggest that no one use it for that reason. You haven’t explained that your use of it was different. If you’d like to do so, I warmly invite such an explanation. But yeah, I wouldn’t suggest anyone use that phrase. Ever.
 
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gracepoole:
So you “spout [Republican] talking points in every other way” but no one here should see you as a Republican. Hmm…
Actually, I don’t. I am probably well to the left of you when it comes to the disabled poor, disapproval of politicians selling out to big business. And I’m probably to the left of Richard Trumka and perhaps you when it comes to foreign imports and preservation of jobs in this country.

It’s just when I approve of Trump reinstating the Mexico City Policy, letting the Little Sisters off Obama’s mandate, appointing prolife justices, Dems THINK I’m a Repub. I’ll grant a faithful Catholic can’t be a Dem, but that doesn’t mean they have to therefore be a Repub.
The point, Ridge, is that making assumptions about your fellow posters might not have the results you expect. You really have no idea who here is a “closet Democrat.” You can think you do based on one’s dislike for Trump, but that’s just not logical. Someone might very easily assume you identify as a Republican. But you don’t. So the assumption is just…faulty. And nothing more.
 
I’m not trying to be difficult, Victoria. I didn’t refer to plantation mentality because I’m aware of how that expression is used. I would gently suggest that no one use it for that reason. You haven’t explained that your use of it was different. If you’d like to do so, I warmly invite such an explanation. But yeah, I wouldn’t suggest anyone use that phrase. Ever.
I’m sorry, an African-American used that phrase and apparently it’s a film about him.


“There is a 50-year-old lie that caused an entire people to become slaves to the political idea that the government knows best,” he said.

So, I’d suggest there is some question as to your reasoning and in turn, correcting others about what is right and wrong. One article about one representative means nothing.

Deneen Borelli:

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Deneen Borelli, who wrote “Blacklash,” who also appears in the film, said her book has similar themes to those in Bryant’s documentary and echoes Cain’s observation.

“My book ‘Blacklash: How Obama and the Left are Driving Americans to the Government Plantation,’ is about my personal journey, how I got to where I am today,” she said.
Are you claiming you know more than this woman? @gracepoole ??
 
I’m going to leave it here with a plea for you to read up on the phrase in an attempt to understand why people can’t use it and then try to distance themselves from the ugliness associated with it. All I can do is plead and gently suggest. I don’t think you want to be associated with that term but of course, that is not up to me. 🤷‍♀️
 
I’m going to leave it here with a plea for you to read up on the phrase in an attempt to understand why people can’t use it and then try to distance themselves from the ugliness associated with it. All I can do is plead and gently suggest. I don’t think you want to be associated with that term but of course, that is not up to me. 🤷‍♀️
Excuse me, I have given examples of blacks using the term and you totally ignore this so please spare me the sanctimony. You have no authority in this matter no matter how much you try to assert it.

But if one must go, it doesn’t look like one was winning the debate after all, I don’t care about winning or losing the argument, I do care about truth. So, I must be away for some time as well. Break time…

I have to say, there is such a word as being “disingenuous”, I have shown opposite data but some representative and believe me, when he used that exact word, “exchanging one for the other”, that statement in itself is not racist. I might suggest people engage in honest debate. Not to brutalize people, violate their dignity with political correctness. Not to set myself up as an authority and ignore feedback.

I already did the research. Others may not be as ignorant as one may think. To plea with someone whose dignity one violates is beyond the pale.
 
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You really have no idea who here is a “closet Democrat.” You can think you do based on one’s dislike for Trump,
No. There are Repubs who absolutely hate Trump, especially the “cruise conservatives”. That’s not an identifier, and I never said it was. But some posters (who also hate Trump) spout the party line without exception and particularly when they rationalize abortion as “just one more issue” they might as well have a “D” tattooed on their foreheads.
 
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gracepoole:
You really have no idea who here is a “closet Democrat.” You can think you do based on one’s dislike for Trump,
No. There are Repubs who absolutely hate Trump, especially the “cruise conservatives”. That’s not an identifier, and I never said it was. But some posters (who also hate Trump) spout the party line without exception and particularly when they rationalize abortion as “just one more issue” they might as well have a “D” tattooed on their foreheads.
Okay, I understand the distinction you’re making. I honestly don’t run into folks here who claim that abortion is “just one more issue.” I do run into folks who understand “pro-life” in a broader context than just abortion.
 
Oh, “pro-life” is a broader context, that sounds like a talking point and maybe it puts others in their place. They must not believe that.
 
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