National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[goitalone]

OK, I was reading some threads got banned and had a hard time finding this one, so thats why I thought that it had been banned for a minute.

 

[RNRobert]

I’ve never seen really seen the moderators “ban” a thread (that is delete it) but if the charity level drops they will lock it. You can still read the existing posts, but can’t post anymore (you can tell locked posts as a padlock icon will appear next to it).

 

[goitalone]

I’ve never seen really seen the moderators “ban” a thread (that is delete it) but if the charity level drops they will lock it. You can still read the existing posts, but can’t post anymore (you can tell locked posts as a padlock icon will appear next to it).

I see…well I think this thread has about had it anyways LOL

Prolly shouldn’t have come in and started in the first place…in the end …just curious how the Catholics felt about certain issues I guess more than anything else.

I will say this though…I reallly am sincerely concerned if and when a time comes where we will have something go against us like this thread has suggested.

Anyways, for me, this thread is officially closed.

May the Lord be with you all always…even unto the end of the age.

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Matt. 28:20

 

[drdude]

Servus,
Scripture never instructs or commands a Christian to observe the Jewish Sabbath. Period…

And Scripture never instrusts or command a Christian to not observe the “Jewish” Sabbath. Period! Also if we are of Christ are we not also the seed of Abraham. We are spiritual Jews if we believe in Christ.

 

[drdude]

And Scripture never instrusts or command a Christian to not observe the “Jewish” Sabbath. Period! Also if we are of Christ are we not also the seed of Abraham. We are spiritual Jews if we believe in Christ.

I am a SDA (No not the pagan type). I would agree that no specific day is mentioned (Saturday or Sunday or any other weekday at that) as being the Sabbath. But I would say that the Jewish Calendar is the most accurate calendar that goes hand in hand with the Bible. The calendar we use today although days were added do to the selfishness of Roman Emporers wanted more days that previous emporers, it still is the same as the jewish calendar as per the days of the week. I would stick to God’s Moral Law the 10 Commandments as they were not abolished since Sin is the Trangression of God’s Law. We would not know sin if it were not for God’s law. God had to re-instruct the Jews on the Sabbath since they were enslaved by the Egyptians for so long that they were unaware of God’s laws. He gave them Manna from heaven and on the Sixth day he gave them double so that they would not have to go and collect any on the Sabbath (7th Day). I would say that the Jewish Calendar would be correct to the Day that God had not given them Manna and showed which day was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was created for Man not Man for the Sabbath. Hence The Sabbath was created for Man not Jew.

 

[drdude]

I am a SDA (No not the pagan type). I would agree that no specific day is mentioned (Saturday or Sunday or any other weekday at that) as being the Sabbath. But I would say that the Jewish Calendar is the most accurate calendar that goes hand in hand with the Bible. The calendar we use today although days were added do to the selfishness of Roman Emporers wanted more days that previous emporers, it still is the same as the jewish calendar as per the days of the week. I would stick to God’s Moral Law the 10 Commandments as they were not abolished since Sin is the Trangression of God’s Law. We would not know sin if it were not for God’s law. God had to re-instruct the Jews on the Sabbath since they were enslaved by the Egyptians for so long that they were unaware of God’s laws. He gave them Manna from heaven and on the Sixth day he gave them double so that they would not have to go and collect any on the Sabbath (7th Day). I would say that the Jewish Calendar would be correct to the Day that God had not given them Manna and showed which day was the Sabbath. The Sabbath was created for Man not Man for the Sabbath. Hence The Sabbath was created for Man not Jew.

I will not tell anyone that their day is wrong. I myself would rather keep the 7th Day Sabbath as Saturday and worship God then. I would also state that I worship God as much as I can throughout the week not just a day. But none the less the 10 Commandments does state Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy for God had Sanctified it and made it holy. It didn’t say the God had Santified any day and made it holy. It’s pretty specific. Wouln’t you agree. There is no mention of the Sabbath being for anyone because all Jews who believed in Christ already new of the Sabbath. And did not the Gentiles ask Paul to come again on the next Sabbath to teach them more about Christ. I plan to play it safe an obey God and not put my trust in Man. I may be an SDA because I truely believe they follow the Bible closer than any other Denomination. Of course they will be labeled Heritic and Cult. Was not Jesus treated the same way? Were not the Apostles disapointed when Jesus was crusified and died because they thought that he would establish the Kingdom on Earth at that time?

 

[drdude]

I will not tell anyone that their day is wrong. I myself would rather keep the 7th Day Sabbath as Saturday and worship God then. I would also state that I worship God as much as I can throughout the week not just a day. But none the less the 10 Commandments does state Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy for God had Sanctified it and made it holy. It didn’t say the God had Santified any day and made it holy. It’s pretty specific. Wouln’t you agree. There is no mention of the Sabbath being for anyone because all Jews who believed in Christ already new of the Sabbath. And did not the Gentiles ask Paul to come again on the next Sabbath to teach them more about Christ. I plan to play it safe an obey God and not put my trust in Man. I may be an SDA because I truely believe they follow the Bible closer than any other Denomination. Of course they will be labeled Heritic and Cult. Was not Jesus treated the same way? Were not the Apostles disapointed when Jesus was crusified and died because they thought that he would establish the Kingdom on Earth at that time?

Sure SDA was founded on a misunderstanding of Scripture (Great Disapointment) but they went back and studied more to find out where they went wrong. SDA continues to grow. Isn’t part of salvation to accept Christ ask for forgiveness of your sins, be baptized as a symbol to die with Christ in sin and be reborn to Christ and than to continue to grow in Christ. I am a former Catholic and I have many family members in that church and I talk to them all the time about it so I’m still current on their beliefs. Christ is our High Priest no one can’t come to God but through Jesus. Confessing to a priest is wrong. Holding rosary beads and praying Hail Mary’s to fix my sins (Works) is wrong. Stating that Mary is a Mediator and Intercessor is wrong. Telling people that Prophecy is hard and shouldn’t be read is wrong and a down right Lie. Do you really think God would put something in the Bible that we could not understand and then punish us for it? If you know your Old Testament (Jews covenant) than making sense of Revalationa and End Times is not that hard.You need to be a spiritual Jew. Yes the Ceremonial Law was abolished at the cross because it was a shadow of Christ. Notice how The 10 Commandments were placed in the Arc of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat covered it which represents God’s throan in Heaven. The 10 commandments represent God’s character. the 1st 4 tell us how to love God and the remainder 6 tell us how to love and treat others. That’s why Jesus said the greatest of Commandments are to Love God and God only (all 1st 4 show you how and can be summed up with that statement) and To love your neighbor (the last 6 show you how you can do that and can be summed up with that statement). The Mosaic and Ceremonial Law where a shadow of Christ which he fulfilled at Calvary. They where placed where? At the right side of the Arc. Hmmm I’m starting to see a big picture here. As for SDA’s eating certain foods and obstaining from others it’s strictly a choice and not a requirement. National Geographic did a article on how SDA members live 10 years longer than average people and are much healthier. Now I think God knew what he was talking about when he said not to eat certain foods. Do you really think Jesus came here to clean pigs? What would be the signifigance of not being able to eat pigs anyway? Or shellfish, etc? They are animals which eat anything kind of the world’s clean up crew. Did God not tell Noah to take 2 of everykind of unclean animal and 7 of every clean animal. Hmmm Noah wasn’t a Jew. They were to eat the clean animals on the Ark since there will be no more vegetation. I think the Bible is pretty simple to understand and should be the only source to God and Christ. I wouldn’t put my trust in any man. We have all sinned and come short of the Glory of God. My only prayer is that all Catholics see the light out of the Darkness and come to God. If you love God you will want to learn from him. He has written a book called the Bible which tells you about Him and Jesus. No where does it state to follow traditions of Man and to follow commandments of men. God did not change the Sabbath and Jesus sure whould have made a point to tell us if he came to change the Sabbath as well. Our salvation depends on it.

God bless all and hope you all find God.

 

[drdude]

Pork!

Nuff Said!

This was a vision which was showing Peter that God had made a new covenant for the Gentiles. Peter always made comments about Gentiles and how they were unclean and not like Jews. The vision was to show Peter that God has made the Gentiles clean not to judge them. Then he sent Gentiles to him to be witnessed by Peter.

 

[goitalone]

Indeed drdude.

You are correct sir!

We are only telling you all this for your savlations sake and for your health sake as well.

(Yeah I know, I thought I wasn’t coming back to this thread, but it seems I fergot to unsubscribe lol)

 

[JoeyWarren]

Indeed drdude.

You are correct sir!

We are only telling you all this for your savlations sake and for your health sake as well.

(Yeah I know, I thought I wasn’t coming back to this thread, but it seems I fergot to unsubscribe lol)

There is nothing wrong with my salvation.

Let me return the favor:

I am Catholic for the sake of my salvation. For the sake of your salvation, you should leave the SDA. It is a cult and classified as such by a good many Protestants as well.

 

[cazayoux]

The Letter of Barnabas
“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Interesting huh?
Jesus brought us into a covenant with God by his resurrection on the eighth day (of creation?).
When were Jewish babies brought into God’s covenant?

michel

 

[JoeyWarren]

Interesting huh?
Jesus brought us into a covenant with God by his resurrection on the eighth day (of creation?).
When were Jewish babies brought into God’s covenant?

michel

Dude! That is just so cool. I have never seen that parallel at all!

 

[cazayoux]

Not quite. Here is a list of the days of the week in Latin. Not precisely the same as the German days but Sunday and Monday are definitely named for the sun and the moon for Romans as well.

In Christian times, however, Sunday also became known also as domini dies (the Lord’s Day), which has been kept in the Romance languages of French (dimanche) Italian (domenica) and Spanish (domingo)

I thought the names of the days of the week originated from the largest celstial bodies.

Saturn = Saturday
Sun = Sunday
Monday = Lundi (french) = Moon, Lunar
Tuesday = Mardi (french) = Mars
Wednesday = Mecredi (french) = Mercury
Thursday = Jeudi (french) = Jupiter
Friday = Vendredi (french) = Venus

or something along those lines.

michel

 

[Mommyof02green]

Christ is our High Priest no one can’t come to God but through Jesus. Confessing to a priest is wrong.

Why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest, rather than going directly to God? ← clickable link
How to Defend the Sacrament of Confession ← clickable link

Holding rosary beads and praying Hail Mary’s to fix my sins (Works) is wrong.

1. Catholics are NOT required to pray the rosary. It’s a private prayer. 2) If I do pray a rosary use it an aid to help me mediate on the Gospels. 3) I also use the beads to help mediate on Christ Passion (Divine Mercy Chaplet)

The Rosary ← clickable link
Divine Mercy Chaplet ← clickable link.

Stating that Mary is a Mediator and Intercessor is wrong.

How to defend the Intercession of the Saints ← clickable link
Intercessory Power
If Christ Is the “One Mediator,” Where Does That Leave the Saints? ← clickable link

Telling people that Prophecy is hard and shouldn’t be read is wrong and a down right Lie. Do you really think God would put something in the Bible that we could not understand and then punish us for it?

"CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) paragraph 133:

The Church "forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful . . . to learn ‘the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ,’ by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. ‘Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.’"

Source: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect1chpt2.htm

God bless all and hope you all find God.

I hope you find God too!
God Bless

 

[JoeyWarren]

DrDude, if you want to attack each doctrine, please do so in individual threads. We will more than willingly discuss with you on each issue individually.

 

[drdude]

There is nothing wrong with my salvation.

Let me return the favor:

I am Catholic for the sake of my salvation. For the sake of your salvation, you should leave the SDA. It is a cult and classified as such by a good many Protestants as well.

Jesus was considered the same as well by the Jews. Protestants believed the Catholic (Roman Catholic) Church to be the Anti-Christ as well. Luther, Wycliff, Calvin, Knox and many other Protestants. Abraham Lincoln believed the same as well. Why do you think America came to be. They came to be able to Worship God as they see fit and not be persucuted by the Roman Catholic Church. It’s all in History, look it up. State and Church should not be united. The Protestants are fulled as well. They will play a big part in the End Times when the National Sunday Law is instituted. The Catholic Church is not stupid they know how to deceive they have the master of all deceiveres guiding them. I am not knocking on The Catholic members that go to Church on Sunday to worship God. I’m talking about the system. My whole family are Catholic and I know they believe what the Catholic teach them because they don’t read the bible as much as I do. They take the Priests word for fact. I was in that system I know how it works and how they deceive. SDA do follow the truth closer than any other Denomination around. I have done my research when I came back to God to see who followed the Bible. I wanted to make sure that I was in the right place. What’s the best way to deceive, to take something and make it as close to the original as possible to fool people. To take sin and make it look good. Alchohol and cigarette companies do it all the time. Would people really want to buy Alchohol if the commercials showed a drunk wino throwing up in the gutter living in the streets. Or a mangled car from a DUI. No they show people laughing and having a good time. Or they show a James Bond type Character with a good looking woman and a nice car.Let us not forget who the Catholic Church started from…Rome an empire who worshipped pagan gods and adapted pagan gods from other kingdoms that they conquered. If you do your research on the History of the Papal Rome you would see the truth looking at you in the face. Come out of Mystery Babylon. If you really love Jesus read his Word written for you and pray to him to help you understand His Word. Jesus did not come change a day and not tell anyone about it. He would not leave it up to Man to try and guess what he was doing. No Where in the Bible Old or New does Jesus state that The Sabbath was changed, will change. The 10 commandments are still binding. They reveal sin to you. Remember the Sabbath keep it Holy for God created the the Heavens and Earth and all that is in them in six days and rested on the 7th day, He blessed it and made it Holy. He Sanctified it. That sounds like a specific day to me. He didn’t say to Keep one day out of the week as a Sabbath. He Blessed and Sanctified the 7th day in the Beginning before Jews.

 

[Mommyof02green]

You need to be a spiritual Jew. Yes the Ceremonial Law was abolished at the cross because it was a shadow of Christ. Notice how The 10 Commandments were placed in the Arc of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat covered it which represents God’s throan in Heaven. The 10 commandments represent God’s character. the 1st 4 tell us how to love God and the remainder 6 tell us how to love and treat others.

Spiritual Jew?
How do the Jews number the 10 commandments?
How do the Jews view the 10 commandments?
Judaism 101:

Judaism teaches that the first tablet, containing the first five declarations, identifies duties regarding our relationship with G-d, while the second tablet, containing the last five declarations, identifies duties regarding our relationship with other people.

Source: jewfaq.org/10.htm

How the Jews number the 10 commandments:
see: hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/ten_cmds.html (scroll to bottom of page)

or see: biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm

 

[JoeyWarren]

Why do you think America came to be. They came to be able to Worship God as they see fit and not be persucuted by the Roman Catholic Church. It’s all in History, look it up.

Dude, you are so off base. They did not come to America to escape the RCC, they came to America to escape the ‘Church of England’.

Get History right first and foremost.

 

[JoeyWarren]

They will play a big part in the End Times when the National Sunday Law is instituted.

That which is the subject of the post has yet to be proven from Scripture that such a law will be instituted.

 

[JoeyWarren]

My whole family are Catholic and I know they believe what the Catholic teach them because they don’t read the bible as much as I do.

You must have slept thru every single Mass. Their is more Bible Reading at a Mass then there is at a Protestant Service.