National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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Jesus was considered the same as well by the Jews. Protestants believed the Catholic (Roman Catholic) Church to be the Anti-Christ as well. Luther, Wycliff, Calvin, Knox and many other Protestants. Abraham Lincoln believed the same as well.
Many people have believed many things over the age of time. Just because they believed it doesn’t mean it’s the Gospel Truth. I’m sure being an Adventist you can understand that.
Why do you think America came to be. They came to be able to Worship God as they see fit and not be persucuted by the Roman Catholic Church. It’s all in History, look it up.
Okay, I’ll look it up! This is what I found:
The ‘Pilgrims’ were a group of English Calvinist religious dissenters, known as Separatists, who fled persecution under Queen Elizabeth I and her successor King James I, taking up residence in Leyden, Holland in 1609. Many of the group immigrated to America on the MAYFLOWER (1620), the FORTUNE (1621), the ANNE and the LITTLE JAMES (1623) and the second MAYFLOWER (1629). They provided the leadership in the establishment of the colony “New Plymouth” as well as about half the colony’s population. The term ‘Pilgrims’, was first used in 1596 in the ‘Confession of Faith’ they adopted and, in later references, to their own idea of life on earth as a pilgrimage towards heavenly bliss."
Queen Elizabeth I wanted to firmly establish the Church of England as THE CHURCH and she attempted to have all religious groups conform to the Anglican Church. The Puritans, another group in the Anglican Church, wanted to purify" the church of all Roman Catholic ceremonies and practices and bring about further reforms. Both groups wanted to be a church unto themselves but they were being persecuted for their attempts to run their churches the way they wished rather than the way the bishops of the Anglican Church wanted the churches run.
Also see: teachers.henrico.k12.va.us/fairfield/saunders_d/homework/colonies/puritans.pdf
My whole family are Catholic and I know they believe what the Catholic teach them because they don’t read the bible as much as I do. They take the Priests word for fact. I was in that system I know how it works and how they deceive.
If they don’t read the bible then they are doing themselves a disservice.

See this: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect1chpt2.htm
 
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Hey, you guys seen my forum lately?

I just changed a buncha stuff…looks pretty cool if I don’t say so myself!

Check it out…tell me how well or not well you think I did…or is it good? Hmm I ferget!

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At the risk of sounding dumb, which one of the links on your signiture is your forum (if either are)?
 
Jesus was considered the same as well by the Jews.
If it were true that if a large number of people believe a group to be a misslead cult was somehow indeed ‘proof’ of the cults validity, then maybe we should all go down and join the latest new age group sitting on a mountain waiting for their saucer ride to shambhala or wherever. Jesus never promised his followers an easy time, but that doesn’t mean the fact that people disagree with a group’s doctrine is proof of anything. You can find millions that disagree with the ‘moonies’ but thats no endorsement of their theology.
Protestants believed the Catholic (Roman Catholic) Church to be the Anti-Christ as well. Luther, Wycliff, Calvin, Knox and many other Protestants. Abraham Lincoln believed the same as well.
You seem to contradict yourself here… If i’m understanding your previous point… Adventism is true becuase a lot of people believe it to be a cult, and in this point… Catholicism is false becuase a lot of people believed it to be false…

???

What others think is no guide to Truth.
Why do you think America came to be. They came to be able to Worship God as they see fit and not be persucuted by the Roman Catholic Church.
One reason I left Adventism is the fact that they distort history to support their doctrines and teach that twisted history in their schools as if it were fact. Puritans did not come to this country to avoid persecution by Catholics. They came to avoid persecution by the CHURCH OF ENGLAND. The puritans also quite happily turned around and persecuted those comming to America who did not agree with their own beliefs, including Anglicans, Quakers, Catholics, and Jews amoung others.
It’s all in History, look it up. State and Church should not be united. The Protestants are fulled as well. They will play a big part in the End Times when the National Sunday Law is instituted.
Yes, look up real history, not Adventist versions of history. Did you know the dates your prophecy interpretation system is based on are largely innaccurate? The dates don’t work! I remember trying to study my way back into Adventism by working out the dates from independent history books. Instead, I realized the prophecy interpretations are based on bad history, supposition and a generous amount of tweaking of actual years and events, not on miraculously corraborating historical events that could be verified. If the prophecy theories and dates don’t work, what evidence is there of this so called ‘sunday law’ that all Adventists fear so much?

Just one date, just one example:
angelfire.com/ms/seanie/adventism/1260justinian.html
The Catholic Church is not stupid they know how to deceive they have the master of all deceiveres guiding them.
Did Jesus lie? Did Jesus decieve his disciples? Jesus said the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church.
I am not knocking on The Catholic members that go to Church on Sunday to worship God. I’m talking about the system.
There is no such thing as the Catholic ‘system’ being distinct from Catholics. Read your bible again, the Church is not a building or system. It is the Body of Christ, his Bride, and we are all part of his Body.
My whole family are Catholic and I know they believe what the Catholic teach them because they don’t read the bible as much as I do.
More of the Bible is read at each mass than in half a dozen typical protestant sermons. They also hear teaching on what is read, which is to reflect the teaching of the Church, not just someone’s personal opinion.

Not everyone expresses their spirituality in the same way. The fact they do not share your inclinations does not make them wrong. Catholics are free to read the Bible and are encouraged to do so. Some choose other ways of learning and expressing their devotion, and that is fine. You have to remember Catholicism was around before there was printing and cheap books, and before it was common for everyone to be able to read. Therefore we have many ways of teaching and learning that do not depend on possessing a physical book and being able to read it. I don’t think its a coincidence that the emphasis on personal bible possession and reading, didn’t come about until after the printing press was invented. Makes you wonder what Christians did before printing! Makes you wonder what Christians did before the existence of the New Testament! You should check out the history of the Bible and where it came from while you are brushing up on your history. Protestants wouldn’t have a Bible to thump if it wasn’t for millions of Catholic monks devoting lifetimes to carefully copying and preserving the manuscripts. If Satan really controlled our Church as you claim, why bother? Why not just allow the bible to be lost?

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They take the Priests word for fact. I was in that system I know how it works and how they deceive.
I guess Adventists dont’ take their pastor’s advice?

Priests do have the responsibility to teach and guide their people. Not all are perfect of course. A Catholic who disagrees with a Priest’s decision can appeal to their local bishop.

Adventists also recognize authority btw, the General Conference in session is considered the ‘highest authority on earth’ in matters of Adventist doctrine.
SDA do follow the truth closer than any other Denomination around. I have done my research when I came back to God to see who followed the Bible. I wanted to make sure that I was in the right place.
Commendable attitude, but in all honesty, did you arrive at Adventist interpretations of the Bible by yourself, or as a result of being taught their interpretations. Most Adventist converts are drawn in by a ‘hook’ like the sabbath issue, then spoon fed the rest of it afterwards. If you do claim to arrive at it all yourself, please explain the chain of reasoning you used to get to Ellen White as a prophet, the Sunday Law theory, etc.
I’d really be curious.
What’s the best way to deceive, to take something and make it as close to the original as possible to fool people. To take sin and make it look good. Alchohol and cigarette companies do it all the time. Would people really want to buy Alchohol if the commercials showed a drunk wino throwing up in the gutter living in the streets. Or a mangled car from a DUI. No they show people laughing and having a good time. Or they show a James Bond type Character with a good looking woman and a nice car.
Are you suggesting its a sin to be Catholic? If not then I really don’t undestand the point of tis paragraph.
Let us not forget who the Catholic Church started from…Rome an empire who worshipped pagan gods and adapted pagan gods from other kingdoms that they conquered. If you do your research on the History of the Papal Rome you would see the truth looking at you in the face. Come out of Mystery Babylon.
Again, you need to brush up on real history and not Adventist versions of history. A lot of Adventist ideas about Catholicism and Paganism come from a book popular in the 1800’s by Alexander Hislop called “Two Babylons.” While this book remained popular for years, Mr. Hislop based it on sloppy research and failed to cite sources for his outrageous claims. A protestant theologian writing an update to his book became so concerned as he later discovered the poor research and fabrications, that he published a second book, refuting it and showing the false assumptions and bad history.
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If you really love Jesus read his Word written for you and pray to him to help you understand His Word.
I could say the same to you, Adventists seem to ignore a lot of the Bible. Like maybe the entire sixth chapter of the Gospel of John.

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Jesus did not come change a day and not tell anyone about it. He would not leave it up to Man to try and guess what he was doing. No Where in the Bible Old or New does Jesus state that The Sabbath was changed, will change. The 10 commandments are still binding. They reveal sin to you. Remember the Sabbath keep it Holy for God created the the Heavens and Earth and all that is in them in six days and rested on the 7th day, He blessed it and made it Holy. He Sanctified it. That sounds like a specific day to me. He didn’t say to Keep one day out of the week as a Sabbath. He Blessed and Sanctified the 7th day in the Beginning before Jews.
Adventists believe that Sabbath keeping will be a test that to fail will cost us our salvation. If something were that important, don’t you think the Apostles and others who wrote the NT would have told us? Not once, not anywhere in the New Testament, are Christians commanded to keep the Sabbath.

The rationalization you gave above is an interpretation of scripture, one not shared by Christians until the last hundred and fifty years or so.

Ellen White claimed Sunday was instituted by Constantine in the fourth century. She is proved wrong by historical documents predating that time. Ellen White claimed the Sabbath was kept throught christian history by groups such as the Albigensians and Waldensians. Again, history proves her claim wrong. Albigensians were not even Christian, holding doctrines closer to gnositicm than Christianity. There are no record of Waldensians being sabbatarian.
Waldensians still exist, and have also denied ever holding sabbatarian doctrines.

Is it reasonable that the Church Jesus found and promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against, would fall into error immediately after the last apostle died, and Christianity would remain in error until Ellen White came along to straighten us out?

MarysRoses
 
If it were true that if a large number of people believe a group to be a misslead cult was somehow indeed ‘proof’ of the cults validity, then maybe we should all go down and join the latest new age group sitting on a mountain waiting for their saucer ride to shambhala or wherever. Jesus never promised his followers an easy time, but that doesn’t mean the fact that people disagree with a group’s doctrine is proof of anything. You can find millions that disagree with the ‘moonies’ but thats no endorsement of their theology.
I think what we are saying here is plainly that the last days true church before Jesus comes will be persecuted just as Jesus was.

Now, the BIGGEST church (who is being called a cult) that teaches the MOST truths (from the Bible), goes the farthest of any so called “CULT” around the world preaching the three angels message, teaching to keep the commandments of God…is no other than who?

It’a all too clear people.
 
I think what we are saying here is plainly that the last days true church before Jesus comes will be persecuted just as Jesus was.

Now, the BIGGEST church (who is being called a cult) that teaches the MOST truths (from the Bible), goes the farthest of any so called “CULT” around the world preaching the three angels message, teaching to keep the commandments of God…is no other than who?

It’a all too clear people.
I dunno… the Catholic Church? 😃
 
Did you like my forum Mary Rose?

Thats what it will look like when Jesus comes back for the Sabb…His people
 
I think the sealing is done.
:confused::confused::confused:

I and several members of this forum have shown you how the Adventist Church uses a twisted interpretation of history to prop up its beliefs. We’ve asked numerous times for proof that Christians worshipped on the Sabbath prior to the 19th century(and shown that the claims of E.G. White that Albigensians and Waldensians worshipped on the Sabbath are COMPLETELY bogus), which you ignored completely. As I said in an earlier post, years ago I considered becoming an SDA, but I found their claims wanting in truth and went elsewhere. The “National Sunday Law” is a paranoid delusion that is never going to happen.

I apologize for any lack of charity I have shown you on this thread, but I feel it is you, not Catholics, who have been deluded.
 
I was in that system I know how it works and how they deceive. SDA do follow the truth closer than any other Denomination around.
Thank you for your opinion. I can tell you that it is my opinion that the Catholic Church follows the TRUTH (Scripture) closer then any other Denomination. Just my :twocents:
I have done my research when I came back to God to see who followed the Bible. I wanted to make sure that I was in the right place.
My researched of Scripture led me to the Catholic Church. :bible1: My current research of Scripture keeps me in the Catholic Church 👍
What’s the best way to deceive, to take something and make it as close to the original as possible to fool people.
It is sad when people are led away from God. We should all be praying for them. :gopray:
To take sin and make it look good.
Once a sin; always a sin.
Let us not forget who the Catholic Church started from…Rome an empire who worshipped pagan gods and adapted pagan gods from other kingdoms that they conquered.
Roman Catholic Church, the largest single Christian body, composed of those Christians who acknowledge the supreme authority of the bishop of Rome, the pope, in matters of faith. The word catholic (Greek katholikos) means “universal” and has been used to designate the church since its earliest period, when it was the only Christian church.
Source: encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573737/Roman_Catholic_Church.html
Come out of Mystery Babylon.
Revelation Chapter 17 ← clickable link
If you really love Jesus read his Word written for you and pray to him to help you understand His Word.
Amen!
CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) paragraph 133:
The Church "forcefully and specifically exhorts all the Christian faithful . . . to learn ‘the surpassing knowledge of Jesus Christ,’ by frequent reading of the divine Scriptures. ‘Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.’"

Source: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect1chpt2.htm
Daily Readings <–clickable link
 
What do you mean by this?
What it means is that since we won’t acknowledge the “truth” of Seventh Day Adventism, we’re all gonna burn in hell (oh, wait, they don’t believe in hell either:rolleyes:).

It’s a tactic goitalone has when he is unable to back up his claims.
 
I just have this one sincere question…

What will you all think when we are ALL forced to WORSHIP on ONE SPECIFIC DAY (Sunday as foretold by the Bible) and not be able to buy or sell unless we go to church on that SPECIFIC day?

Will you all realize then and only then that Bible prophecy has come true and that Sunday is the day that was replaced by the Roman Catholic church to replace the seventh day holy Sabbath?

Hey, just curious!
Since this Ellen White prophecy was “immenent” during Ellen White’s lifetime, I’m counting it among the many false prophecies that have come out of the Millerite movement. 😉
 
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