National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

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Eden said:
Jesus chose Sunday. The Resurrection took place on Sunday. His appearance to the Apostles at Pentecost (the “birthday” of the Church) took place on Sunday. The only one of the Ten Commandments which Christ does not reiterate during His ministry is to keep the Sabbath.

But the fact that Catholics celebrate Mass seven days a week is clear evidence that your prophetess’ prediction came from a human mind capable of error. God knows that Mass is celebrated by Catholics around the world every day of the week. He would not have told His “prophetess” that the Catholic Church would endorse a Sunday law because, in relation to the Catholic Church, it makes no sense. God is not non-sensical.
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May I take it even one step further . . .

Not only is the Catholic Mass celebrated seven days a week, but with the multitude of time zones from the far east to the far west, Mass is celebrated somewhere on the planet each and every minute of the day, seven days a week, with Sunday worship being more elaborate than the other six days.

This answers the call to continuous prayer and worship without ceasing.
 
goitalone said:
Um…they were doing costly sattelite seminars…10 of them…they were on a time limit.

And he may look like whatever you think he looks like…fact is, they were not selling anything. And they always give away free literature…that is very costly as well…they don’t even ask poeple to pay postage.

Unless you consider the donation to get the videos to help others selling.
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I understand… they go through a lot of money doing that… and I am not saying that they are selling anything physical… I met Dwight Nelson when I was at Andrews for a Missions conference in the early 90’s, and I think he is a very nice guy and sincere. I guess it just struck me as a production type program rather than what I am now use to seeing, maybe it is because I have not watched them for a couple years?
 
SDA2RC said:
Understand… My machine has done that before too. I think we both made the points we intended, and people can look at the evidence that we have presented from both sides… but if you do decide you want to talk about any parts more…that would be great. Also, if you get a chance to look at those articles I sent you last night and comment, that would be nice too.

I will not be online much tonight, I am going to a monster truck rally with my son… who-hoo… LOL
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K, no I already took a look…I don’t see anything that could possible change my stand for what I believe Saturday to be for me tho…I am sorry…but God’s laws have been there since the beginning of time…God has protected His holy Bible throughout the ages, and He has also kept His Sabbath intact as well I believe with all of my heart, mind and soul.
 
SDA2RC said:
I understand… they go through a lot of money doing that… and I am not saying that they are selling anything physical… I met Dwight Nelson when I was at Andrews for a Missions conference in the early 90’s, and I think he is a very nice guy and sincere. I guess it just struck me as a production type program rather than what I am now use to seeing, maybe it is because I have not watched them for a couple years?
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I am not sure man maybe, but I personally feel he tries to be

nice as possible concerning other religions etc…I went to quite a few other churches in the past and they were outright evil speaking and some even cursed and were calling people…bad words for being gay etc etc… obsolutely putting people down to the ground…so, nah he does his best I think.
 
goitalone said:
K, no I already took a look…I don’t see anything that could possible change my stand for what I believe Saturday to be for me tho…I am sorry…but God’s laws have been there since the beginning of time…God has protected His holy Bible throughout the ages, and He has also kept His Sabbath intact as well I believe with all of my heart, mind and soul.
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No I didnt figure it would change your mind… I was more wondering how you reconcile in your theology the fact that the two people can be standing facing each other on opposite sides of the timeline, and one has to keep the Sabbath and the other doesnt, even though they could be shaking hands.

And also where scripture directs those who live in artic regions to keep the Sabbath when a sunset to sunset day could last for weeks or more? I think your responses to these questions could help people on the forum understand how Adventists reconcile what we see as very obvious problems with the doctrine.

Ok… I am really getting off for a bit now… LOL
 
Blue_Serenity said:
Not to mention how would you deal with the growing atheist population with such a law?
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SDA’s don’t have the ability to think with logic or reason. That Goitalone just sat down and thunk for himself instead of listening to the poor misguided SDA pastors, then…
 
Ellen White’s crackpot notions and revelations are just that, crackpot.
 
God said ‘to honor the Sabbath Day’ which for the people of the old Covenant, was Saturday, although it is only referred to as such today. The people of the new Covenant, honor it on Sunday. Why is that so hard to accept?
 
How do SDA’s get around the employment issue? Not everybody can have a great job that only requires you to work on the Weekdays.

I guess a poor factory worker could not be an SDA since they would have to work on saturdays.

You getting the logic and reasoning factor yet Goitalone?
 
Forgive my dumb questions, but who decided that Saturday was the 7th day of the week and Sunday was the 1st? Aren’t these somewhat arbitrary names given by humans? Isn’t the point to honor God one day a week? What if we lost track of which day was which, are the SDAs saying that our eternal destiny hinges on us having the correct calendar day? What if the calendar was off by a day due to some historical error and Friday is actually Saturday? I’m sorry, but this whole argument seems trivial to me.
 
SDA2RC said:
No I didnt figure it would change your mind… I was more wondering how you reconcile in your theology the fact that the two people can be standing facing each other on opposite sides of the timeline, and one has to keep the Sabbath and the other doesnt, even though they could be shaking hands.

Well, the Bible says even to even Sabbath is to be kept so that’s why…no matter where you are.

And also where scripture directs those who live in artic regions to keep the Sabbath when a sunset to sunset day could last for weeks or more? I think your responses to these questions could help people on the forum understand how Adventists reconcile what we see as very obvious problems with the doctrine.

**People weren’t meant to live in those regions I don’t believe in the first place…but those who are in Alaska for example, have I guess their own personal choice to keep sundown to sundown, like the Bible says…or if as Doug said he knows some who even observe it for a whole 12 hour period just in case (sundown to sundown and then some) or not to keep it at all for that matter. **

**Have any of you ever just…FELT like it’s the real Sabbath?

We can’t know everything for sure, but to me it is a better, safer way as it IS one of the commandments and for all the other reasons I posted last night.

But I am really pretty much done with the talking about it for awhile…I have been on here too much last few weeks,
plus its the Sabbath and I got to go soon…want to be ready s for it for a change. ;)**

TTYL

May God’s love be with all of you always! < Click! 😉

Ok… I am really getting off for a bit now… LOL
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JoeyWarren said:
How do SDA’s get around the employment issue? Not everybody can have a great job that only requires you to work on the Weekdays.

I guess a poor factory worker could not be an SDA since they would have to work on saturdays.

You getting the logic and reasoning factor yet Goitalone?
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Been there done that discusson too…if you have faith in God and take a stand for His holy day…yeah you will be persecuted for it, but God’s blessings will be upon you so no need to worry for He will provide you with something just as good or something better.

“Through much tribulation we must enter the kingdom of God” (Acts 14:19-22).

The Lord never said it would be easy.
 
SDA2RC said:
One thing that did bother me about this one, other than the verses taken out of context, was how Pastor Doug “roleplayed” his conversations with sunday keepers and tried to make them look like idiots, in fact he had the whole auditorium laughing at their “answers” as he mocked them (from about 1:00.00 - 1:03:00).
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I used the fast forward button to listen to this segment. I laughed at his jokes. I know what you mean about the set up, yet I do see that method used all the time. It is not uncommon. He is a good speaker.

Sometimes I wish all speakers and writers would give up on certain tactics, but I’m still wishing.
 
JimO said:
Forgive my dumb questions, but who decided that Saturday was the 7th day of the week and Sunday was the 1st? Aren’t these somewhat arbitrary names given by humans? Isn’t the point to honor God one day a week? What if we lost track of which day was which, are the SDAs saying that our eternal destiny hinges on us having the correct calendar day? What if the calendar was off by a day due to some historical error and Friday is actually Saturday? I’m sorry, but this whole argument seems trivial to me.
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We should honor and worship Him any day, but it is the seventh day He made for man as to be a blessing and commanded to be kept Holy…the seal of God is within that commandment…it’s all about who we worship in the last days especially, God’s Sabbath, or the 666 Sabbath changed by the workings of Satan.
 
Well, the Bible says even to even Sabbath is to be kept so that’s why…no matter where you are.
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You need to read the whole section not just the one verse:

Lev 23: 26 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

It only pertains to a specific day of a specific month.

Context, Context, Context
 
People weren’t meant to live in those regions I don’t believe in the first place…but those who are in Alaska for example, have I guess their own personal choice to keep sundown to sundown, like the Bible says…or if as Doug said he knows some who even observe it for a whole 12 hour period just in case (sundown to sundown and then some) or not to keep it at all for that matter.
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I guess there are not any SDA churches in Alaska then… or any place above a certain latitude or below a certain latitude(or is it longitude?) that 4 months of darkness and 4 months of light…I guess you can’t go out and preach the gospel to these people in these areas like the Bible instructs us to?
 
JoeyWarren said:
You need to read the whole section not just the one verse:

Lev 23: 26 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

It only pertains to a specific day of a specific month.

Context, Context, Context
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Well I got to get off here it’s almost sundown…yes you are right…so, go read that whole book and see what it is really saying…maybe it will click in er something…gotta go.
 
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