National Sunday Law Takes Affect!

[catsrus]

As of this post, I am out of this thread.
This goitalone person came blasting in here with his twisted theology which he seems to think, from his posts, we are too dense to understand.
Note: we understand what you are saying and telling you that your personal interpratation and the sda interpretation are incorrect. You REFUSE to defend your theology in any distinctive way.
Further, he refuses to answer specific questions put to him over and over and over, ad infinitum.
Mr. goitalone, if you can’t defend your beliefs, which you have demonstrated that you cannot, please do not waste people’s time.
You’ve wasted more than enough of my time.

 

[RNRobert]

Pork!

Also, in Galatians 2,11-14, Paul tells how he took Peter to task when he stopped eating with Gentile Christians for fear of alienating the Jewish Christians. If the Gentile Christians were following the Jewish kosher regulations, where would be the scandal?

 

[JoeyWarren]

Also, in Galatians 2,11-14, Paul tells how he took Peter to task when he stopped eating with Gentile Christians for fear of alienating the Jewish Christians. If the Gentile Christians were following the Jewish kosher regulations, where would be the scandal?

nosirreebob!

 

[Pug]

Also, in Galatians 2,11-14, Paul tells how he took Peter to task when he stopped eating with Gentile Christians for fear of alienating the Jewish Christians. If the Gentile Christians were following the Jewish kosher regulations, where would be the scandal?

This section has always puzzled me. Jews and Gentiles did associate to some extent given the nature of the Diaspora, Roman occupation, etc. So far I as recall, Jews were not forbidden by the Law to *eat *with Gentiles, just not the food that would likely be served. However, there is that thing where “the Jews” wouldn’t go into the Praetorium so that they wouldn’t be defiled for the Sabbath (when they drag Jesus to Pilate). That’s in John 18:28. So I guess Peter was worried about a faction that still thought a man could be put in a state of “unclean”, and that from just entering a Gentile’s abode? You know, it must have been really hard for Jewish Christians as they stopped observing the law and how their still Jewish relatives interacted with them. Brutal.

 

[Pug]

This reinforces what Christ said:

That passage goes on to say, “Thus he declared all foods clean.” That seems so clear to me. I also liked your other point about the passage in Acts.

 

[RNRobert]

This section has always puzzled me. Jews and Gentiles did associate to some extent given the nature of the Diaspora, Roman occupation, etc. So far I as recall, Jews were not forbidden by the Law to *eat *with Gentiles, just not the food that would likely be served. However, there is that thing where “the Jews” wouldn’t go into the Praetorium so that they wouldn’t be defiled for the Sabbath (when they drag Jesus to Pilate). That’s in John 18:28. So I guess Peter was worried about a faction that still thought a man could be put in a state of “unclean”, and that from just entering a Gentile’s abode? You know, it must have been really hard for Jewish Christians as they stopped observing the law and how their still Jewish relatives interacted with them. Brutal.

I reminded of Shakespeare’s play The Merchant of Venice where Shylock, the Jewish moneylender, tells Bassanio:
“I will buy with you, sell with you, talk with you, walk with you, and so following, but I will not eat with you, drink with you or pray with you.” Of course, it is a work of fiction (with a distorted view of Jews of that), so I don’t know how much that reflects Jewish practice.

 

[Pug]

but I will not eat with you, drink with you or pray with you." Of course, it is a work of fiction

I don’t know either. You are right, fiction isn’t all fiction. I do know that the Temple had a court of the Gentiles, where they were welcome to come and pray.

 

[goitalone]

shhh, be very quiet…

 

[JoeyWarren]

It’s all quiet from Servus and Goitalone…

I would like them to chime in on the pork issue…

 

[RNRobert]

It’s all quiet from Servus and Goitalone…

I would like them to chime in on the pork issue…

 

[goitalone]

OK, sorry…you wouldn’t believe what I just went through the last 48 hours trying to get my forum working with emails etc.

WOW!!!

Anyways, its all working now (I THINK) but I need a better email address for it thought since I am on a host that doesn’t have email accounts so I cannot make a relative email name. I need to get like a gmail account or something, but that is only possible by INVITE.

Anyone here have gmail that could send me and invite?

If anyone get bored er something, you can always come test my new forum out to see if its working right now LOL!

 

[servus]

I misread that part… However this is also on the same page:

What is a most serious reason to kill a baby?

What’s a crisis pregnancy? What about the men? What about those that end the pregnancy?

Where in the bible does it say it’s okay to end the life of a baby that has “defects”? Or to end the life of a baby from rape or incest? The woman has the right to choose to kill her baby: Where can I find that in the bible, that it’s okay for a woman to kill her baby?

I understand that it is your personal opinion that the statements on Adventist.org are too liberal. However, on the home page: www.adventist.org it states: welcome to the OFFICAL website of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

So in short, I miss read the one part I quoted earlier, however after reading the whole article it is clear that the Seventh-day Adventist Church does NOT have a problem with women having abortions. So in short the Seventh-day Adventist Church does NOT have a problem with women breaking the commandment: Thou Shall NOT kill.

Anyone can read the whole thing here: adventist.org/beliefs/guidelines/main_guide1.html

I stand with you completely opposed to all abortion. There is no reason for it whatsoever. And I agree with you that this statement is too liberal.

How would you like this statement to read?

 

[servus]

It’s all quiet from Servus and Goitalone…

I would like them to chime in on the pork issue…

I was an SDA for about a year before I stopped eating unclean foods. I came from a Baptist background and I thought it was a very serious matter not to make dietary laws a part of salvation by grace.

That aside, Some might agree some might disagree, but I believe that God knows what is best for the body He created. We SDA’s try to take our lifestyle from Scripture. God intended that man eat seeds, nuts, fruits, etc. Then after the flood God allowed man to eat living creatures.

I decided for myself to stop eating unclean foods after learning about how pork is raised. It eats everything it can swallow. In some of my classes i learn how pigs are used as septic tanks in 3rd world countries. Its a dirty animal. Shellfish also can carry diseases during red tide.

Instead of being all about how little we have to do, we should try and understand God’s purpose in dieatary laws for the Jews. His purpose is love. He wants us to be healthy. I realized this one day when I was reading the “Joy of cooking” section on “pork”. It said, "people in the past were afraid to eat pork because they could contract trichinosis…however the trichinosis worm dies at (around) 120’ degrees farenheight’. Also I heard somewhere that the USDA allows 20 trichinosis worms per ounce of pork.

Then it hit me. I realized God’s purpose in dieatary laws. He did not say “bacon is a delicacy reserved for the Gentiles” or “The stiffnecked Jews, I show them, they will never enjoy prociutto, and pancetta”. “When those Gentiles are eating lobster, you guys will be eating matza, muhahahaha”!

Neither did God say, “don’t eat it until people learn how to feed it grain instead of waste, insects, dead animals, leaves, snakes, rats, etc”

God wants the best for us. Knowing this, wouldn’t you rather not eat “unto the Lord” than to eat, unto ourselves and by our own reasoning"?

 

[RNRobert]

I was an SDA for about a year before I stopped eating unclean foods. I came from a Baptist background and I thought it was a very serious matter not to make dietary laws a part of salvation by grace.

That aside, Some might agree some might disagree, but I believe that God knows what is best for the body He created. We SDA’s try to take our lifestyle from Scripture. God intended that man eat seeds, nuts, fruits, etc. Then after the flood God allowed man to eat living creatures.

I decided for myself to stop eating unclean foods after learning about how pork is raised. It eats everything it can swallow. In some of my classes i learn how pigs are used as septic tanks in 3rd world countries. Its a dirty animal. Shellfish also can carry diseases during red tide.

Instead of being all about how little we have to do, we should try and understand God’s purpose in dieatary laws for the Jews. His purpose is love. He wants us to be healthy. I realized this one day when I was reading the “Joy of cooking” section on “pork”. It said, "people in the past were afraid to eat pork because they could contract trichinosis…however the trichinosis worm dies at (around) 120’ degrees farenheight’. Also I heard somewhere that the USDA allows 20 trichinosis worms per ounce of pork.

Then it hit me. I realized God’s purpose in dieatary laws. He did not say “bacon is a delicacy reserved for the Gentiles” or “The stiffnecked Jews, I show them, they will never enjoy prociutto, and pancetta”. “When those Gentiles are eating lobster, you guys will be eating matza, muhahahaha”!

Neither did God say, “don’t eat it until people learn how to feed it grain instead of waste, insects, dead animals, leaves, snakes, rats, etc”

God wants the best for us. Knowing this, wouldn’t you rather not eat “unto the Lord” than to eat, unto ourselves and by our own reasoning"?

Improperly cooked beef can also be harmful to your health, yet beef is allowed by the Jewish dietary laws (otherwise there would be no Hebrew National frankfurters ). There was an article about spinach being tainted with e-coli that caused illness and death. Any food can be hazardous to your health if improperly prepared.

No one here is disagreeing that the Hebrew kosher laws are not healthy. As a matter of fact, many of the great saints of the Catholic Church ate modestly, and had little or no meat in their diet. The point we are trying to make is that it is no longer a binding obligation.

 

[adventistnomore]

Two (IMHO, excellent) articles on the relationsip of a Christian to the Levitical dietary laws:

diesdomini.com/Papers/Q_Kosher_Noah.pdf

diesdomini.com/Papers/Q_Kosher_Hasel_newtestament.pdf

 

[RNRobert]

Two (IMHO, excellent) articles on the relationsip of a Christian to the Levitical dietary laws:

diesdomini.com/Papers/Q_Kosher_Noah.pdf

diesdomini.com/Papers/Q_Kosher_Hasel_newtestament.pdf

Thanks for the links! I’m also checking out the rest of the diesdomini site.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I stand with you completely opposed to all abortion. There is no reason for it whatsoever. And I agree with you that this statement is too liberal.

Well then you are not really standing with your church.

Adventist.org is the OFFICAL web-site for the Seventh Day Adventist Church. It is my opinion that after reading adventist.org that the Seventh Day Adventist Church as a WHOLE has a “liberal” view on abortion. Yes there my be individuals that have a “different” view, however the Adventist Church as a WHOLE is liberal on the issue of abortion.

How would you like this statement to read?

I cannot tell a church what say or not to say. However I can share with you what the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) has to say about abortion.

Please click on this link and read paragraphs 2270-2275
I can also share bits and pieces from one of my favorite books Catholicism for Dummies
Catholicism for Dummies page 224-226:

The Catholic Church opposes and condemns any and all direct abortions. Even pregnancies that result from rape, incest, and present a danger to the life of the mother aren’t reasons for abortion.

The ends can never justify the means. Catholics believe that willingly, knowingly and deliberately committing evil is never justifiable–no matter how good the intention and no matter how noble the cause.

The real teaching is that each and every innocent life must be protected, and intentionally ending the life of the mother or the unborn child is immortal

Killing an embryo while in the womb or removing an unviable fetus from the womb with the intent and purpose to end its life is considered an abortion. Treating a life-threatening pathological condition that indirectly results in the unborn child naturally is considered a tragedy but not an abortion.

These links may also help understand the Catholic point of view:

ewtn.com/vexperts/results.asp?Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2006&Author=&Keyword=ectopic&pgnu=1&groupnum=0

catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp

God Bless

 

[goitalone]

I stand with you completely opposed to all abortion. There is no reason for it whatsoever. And I agree with you that this statement is too liberal.

Well, said Servus…

As God said

How would you like this statement to read?

Servus, could you possibly come to my forum and sign up and help me post some articles and catoagories and such?

You have a better way with words than I do…thats kinda why I quit posting so much in here…well, one of the many reasons.

The forum will be be for all religions and faiths etc.

If you know anyone else to invite that would be great too

The link is at the bottom in my signature.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Charlie (goitalone)

P.S. If you are interested you can help me with administration duties be a moderator etc.

 

[goitalone]

Am I in Limbo? lol

I think this thread got banned but I am not sure cause I am still here but the thread isn’t

 

[RNRobert]

No, the threads still here. If the thread was banned, it would be locked and you would be unable to add any more posts.