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COLOS
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Wow, serious thread necromancy!
I wouldn’t worry too much about it, honestly. Everyone will end up where they are supposed to be, one way or the other. Just be holy, pray, and speak the truth when you have the chance.
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I wouldn’t worry too much about it, honestly. Everyone will end up where they are supposed to be, one way or the other. Just be holy, pray, and speak the truth when you have the chance.
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bbarrick8383
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You better get the word out, the state governments are confused. They are starting to shut down on fridays…might want to let them know they have it all wrong.
Wait, where you at the G20? Is this world wide law going to be part of the NWO or something they have failed to tell us about?
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happilycatholic
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See, this is where I get upset. You and your fellow SDA radicals tend to incinuate that we catholics follow “something or someone else” and not the Living God.
I’ve ask you this before and I’ll ask it again. Christ asked us to remember Him in one way, by eating His Body and Drinking His Blood. Do you do this? Do you partake of the LIVING Body and Blood as Christ asked you to?
Where did Christ ask us to remember Him in the Sabbath? Did he mistakenly leave that out? No. He IS the New Covenant. We are to remember that New Covenant by receivng the Eucharist. Not crackers and juice once, twice or however many times a year. EVERY SINGLE WEEK, just like you remember The Creator of Earth and all living things (God) in the Sabbath, we remember Christ, the CREATOR OF EVER LASTING LIFE in the Eucharist.
So now, who do YOU follow?
Peace Be With You,
HC
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happilycatholic
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How about cutting and pasting some Hebrews BibleTruth?
Got Hebrews??
I have one:
Hebrews 11:13
After naming all the others that had gone before, Paul says this:
“They all died in faith not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth”.
Paul goes on to say that no matter how faithful they were and how much they suffered, they still did not receive “the promise”. What was that?
Hebrews 11:39-40
“And these all , having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise; 40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect”.
What does that mean to you?
These folks were obviously keepers of the Sabbath and very faithful people who suffered, faught and died believing in God, but there was still something missing they could not obtain through the faith tools they had. That was the Blood of Jesus Christ. And there is one way to remember that Covenant and it is through the Eucharist, not by keeping the Sabbath. All those that were mentioned before were already doing that and in fact are applauded here for doing it very well. Not enough. Keeping the Sabbath is not enough. Being a perfect Jew was not enough. There was the recongnition of Christ of the Cross and what that meant. Not just that it happened, but what it actually meant: A New Covenant. It meant that they would have to shed many years of the old and BECOME PART of the New Covenant. You must live the New Covenant, not just “observe” the New Covenent. It’s not about what day you “observe” or “keep” it is about BECOMING A LIVING, BREATHING PART OF THE NEW COVENANT. You cannot do that by simply going to church on a certain day. You cannot do that by reading your Bible or even preaching the Word.
Hebrews holds the key to Christian faith. I’m sure it was a very tough transition from the Sabbath to Christ. The New Covenant is not an inanimate law written on a tablet of earth, but a Living Covenant, written on the hearts of all mankind. You must not just observe, but be a part of that Covenant. You cannot be a part of tablets of stone. You can observe what’s written on them, but you cannot BE a part of them.
You can however BE a part of Christ, the New and Everlasting Covenant.
Peace Be With You.
HC
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happilycatholic
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Yeah, and everybody knows there’s no such thing as “photoshop” that would be used by such people as those who would try to “paint” a bad picture of the catholic Church now would we???
I bet I can find pictures of George Bush “worshipping” all kinds of idols. That doesn’t make it the truth. You need to learn where to find Truth, BibleTruth. Spreading these untruths about God’s Church is blasphemy.
That’s just utterly rediculous.
Peace Be With You.
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happilycatholic
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And then the correct interpretation (the Non-EGW one):
While these kingdoms exist, God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. It will crush all the other kingdoms and bring them to an end, but ‘not by human hands’, ie. this is to be accomplished by divine, not human means.
The statue in the vision thus represents a series of earthly kingdoms that will start in the days of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia and end with the establishment of God’s kingdom.
Hmmm, sounds a little like the New Covenant huh? Not some made-up version of anti-catholicism.
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happilycatholic
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How can you say that when your faith began with a woman who had a vision about keeping the Sabbath. I could say that the ONLY reason you keep the Sabbath is because EGW told you to. Would that be just as rediculous? I thought so.
Bible:
If you will read your own Bible passages given, you will notice in Hebrews 4:9 a reference to a “rest for the people of God”. Where else in Scripture is the “rest” given to the “people of God”. Nowhere. This was a different rest. This was NOT the Sabbath given to the Sons of Isreal, the Sons of Judeah, the Children of Isreal or Generations of Isreal, or the Jews or any other reference to the Jews, this rest was given to "the people of God:
“There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.”
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happilycatholic
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This has happened before. BibleTruth looooooves to quote Isaiah, but stays away from most of Hebrews. With the exception of Hebrews 4:9, which he conveniently interprets incorrectly.
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BibleTruth
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Hello HC,
I just happened to check the email address that these notifications go to and saw that you’ve had a lot to say to my posts from last year. I’ve decided to not get wrapped up into this forum as I have in the past because whatever I say usually gets twisted and the point of the message gets lost; which is that we receive the gift of salvation by believing in Jesus Christ, accepting him as our savior and having him live in our hearts to give us the power over sin. I will, however, respond to this one…
The word “rest” in Hebrews 4:9 is the Greek word “sabbatismos” - “a keeping sabbath” and the author states that this rest remains for the people of God. Verse 10 goes on to say, “for anyone who enters God’s rest (Greek, “katapausis” - “resting place”) also rests (Greek, “katapauō” - “takes rest”) from his own work, just as God did from his” (NIV). The New Living Translation explains that the rest God instituted on the seventh day of the week was after the “work” of Creation. It’s not that God needed the physical rest, but it was something he established, in part, so we’d have devoted time with him each week.
What’s being stated in this passage is that those who, in Christ, continue to keep the Sabbath holy (after receiving the light) will be the ones who enter into God’s eternal rest. Let me ask you sincerely - don’t you feel like resting after a week of work? Aren’t you thankful that God saw this in advance and made it possible for you to do so? Not only is it God’s holy day (the true “Lord’s Day”), it’s a day that’s beneficial for us from a health standpoint. In the end days, it will ultimately be what identifies God’s people verses those who choose to serve Satan when the mark of the beast is enforced.
I quoted other passages in Hebrews in the other thread you and I were in (before it was closed) but maybe you missed them. A very important one for you to acknowledge would be Hebrews 8:1-2 which says, “Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man” (NKJV). This passage clearly negates the need for an earthly priesthood where men intercede with God on our behalf.
Hebrews 9 highlights this point in verse 15: “And for this reason He [Jesus] is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance” (NKJV). Only blood, not men, can atone (or mediate) for sins as is stated in Hebrews 9:22: “And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission” (NKJV).
So contrary to what you wrote about me (and please feel free to call me Andrew), I don’t stay away from any part of the Bible. Hebrews is a fascinating book that I enjoy reading/studying. I’d also pointed out in the other thread that it’s in Hebrews 8:10 (citing Jeremiah 31:31) where we read that God’s law still exists…but in our hearts and minds.
The first “covenant” was made obsolete because the Israelites didn’t keep their word to obey God. Thankfully, now all we have to do is believe in Jesus Christ and not have to go through a system of works in order to receive salvation like this Israelites of the Old Testament. With that said however, as Jesus stated in John 14:15, we express our love for God by keeping his commandments. “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him” (1 John 3:6, NIV). Belief in Christ as our savior leads to faith…and faith motivates us to do good works (James 2:11-26). It can’t work in reverse of this process.
Notice, however, that this new covenant, which I think we agree is fulfilled in Jesus Christ, was to be with the house of Israel. Does this mean that Jesus is not mediating for you also since you don’t consider yourself an Israelite? This goes back to what I said previously (in the other thread) that, as Christians or “followers of Christ”, we are all spiritual Israelites. So when people try to separate the Old Testament Israelite experience from Christians today, it’s simply not biblical and will only lead to destruction by way of confusion.
Take care,
Andrew
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BibleTruth
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The main reason I keep the seventh-day Sabbath is because I love God. It’s his holy day, a sign that he made me to be holy and it’s the day he desires all of us to keep as a show of our love for him. There’s nothing in the Bible (Old or New Testament) that states anything to the contrary, so there’s no reason for me to try and keep any other day holy.
I say “try and keep any other day holy” because God only made one day holy…the seventh day of the week. Any other day that was never made holy by God can’t be kept holy.
So yes, you could certainly say that I keep the Sabbath because Ellen White told me to, but you’d be wrong because that’s simply not true. I believe God called Ellen White as a prophet (and I don’t even know that she tells anyone to keep the Sabbath) but I don’t need her to tell me the true meaning of the Sabbath and why it’s still important to God’s people - the Bible does that on its own.
Lastly, if you believe the Seventh-day Adventist religion started with Ellen White, you’re mistaken. The Seventh-day Adventist church is God’s remnant church mentioned in Revelation 12:17 that came out of obscurity (the “wilderness”) after 1798 when the first beast power of Revelation 13 was given a “deadly wound”*. Yes, the name “Seventh-day Adventist” came into being in 1863, but the pillars of our faith existed long before Ellen White was even born. God called her to shed His prophetic light (that had been obscured by the beast from 538-1798) in the time of the end so God’s people will be ready when the final acts of our history unfold.
- Revelation 13 tells us that this wound will be healed. This will happen when the second beast of Revelation 13 sets up an “image” to the first beast and forces everyone to worship the first beast by worshiping his image (hence the title of this thread). This forced worship, that will not be of God, is the mark of the beast. God warns everyone in Revelation 14:9-10 that if anyone worships this beast by accepting its mark, they will share in his (God’s) wrath when he punishes the beast.
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jargon631
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I say “try and keep any other day holy” because God only made one day holy…the seventh day of the week. Any other day that was never made holy by God can’t be kept holy.
me…how many times has the calendar been changed and what version is being used now?
So yes, you could certainly say that I keep the Sabbath because Ellen White told me to, but you’d be wrong because that’s simply not true. I believe God called Ellen White as a prophet
me…and the proof is?..
(and I don’t even know that she tells anyone to keep the Sabbath) but I don’t need her to tell me the true meaning of the Sabbath and why it’s still important to God’s people - the Bible does that on its own.
Lastly, if you believe the Seventh-day Adventist religion started with Ellen White, you’re mistaken. The Seventh-day Adventist church is God’s remnant church mentioned in Revelation 12:17 that came out of obscurity (the “wilderness”) after 1798 when the first beast power of Revelation 13 was given a “deadly wound”*
me…well…according to the sda it is…at least thats what I was taught at the academy…but how can you prove that?..you have to already be an sda “believer”
. Yes, the name “Seventh-day Adventist” came into being in 1863, but the pillars of our faith existed long before Ellen White was even born. God called her to shed His prophetic light (that had been obscured by the beast from 538-1798) in the time of the end so God’s people will be ready when the final acts of our history unfold.
There will be two camps…those with the beast’s mark or those with God’s seal
- Revelation 13 tells us that this wound will be healed. This will happen when the second beast of Revelation 13 sets up an “image” to the first beast and forces everyone to worship the first beast by worshiping his image (hence the title of this thread). This forced worship, that will not be of God, is the mark of the beast. God warns everyone in Revelation 14:9-10 that if anyone worships this beast by accepting its mark, they will share in his (God’s) wrath when he punishes the beast.
me…soooo…are those with “gods seal” the sda and are those with the “beasts mark” eveyone else?
. With just a little study of the Bible you can see clearly that God’s seal is his seventh-day Sabbath.
me…THAT is nothing but speculation in the guise of “prophecy”
This doesn’t surprise me at all given there’s so much debate about it, even now, but it will mean so much more when the time comes…including potentially the deaths of all of us who “remember…to keep it holy”
me…oh, yeah…the “time of trouble”…i’d forgotten about that bit of paranoia…fd…
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Patrick_Murebil
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For anyone interested, the article linked below, is a good summary of why what is stated above is an erroneous interpretation.
I highly recommend it as a “must read” for Catholics, or any who are confronted with this erroneous interpretation by SDAs.
sda2rc.com/anitchrist.frameset.html
Share this link with all your friends.
God bless all!!!
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happilycatholic
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Hi Andrew!
I just want to thank you for such a charitable response to my posts. Yes there were more recent posts but yours stirred me the most so I responded accordingly.
First, if your interpretation of Revelation were correct that would mean you are following a prophesy. Whose prophecy are you following? Either your own or someone else’s correct? If you are following someone else’s who is it?
It doesn’t matter because that prophecy would be incorrect. The judgement of all is left up to God, period. No one can tell from any Scripture, line or verse or book, when the end will come NOR who will go to hell. To believe anything different is contrary to Scripture itself.
Next, I believe in a LIVING GOD. Your interpretation of Hebrews cannot be correct because to be correct we’d would have to be putting priests on the same level as Christ. The writer is telling them not to place their priest in the same light as their Redeemer. The Jews at the time were guilty of doing this. (Remember Caiaphas) But that is not to say we that the priesthood stopped with Christ and their priestly duties such as forgivenss of sins has ceased to exsist. In fact, that too is contrary to Scripture and you are well aware of that. Denial does not make it go away.
Last, Christ is the key to our salvation, not the Sabbath. This is what Hebrews is meant to convey. The whole of Hebrews is trying to convince them of that. We’ve been over all that. Again, denial doesn’t make it go away.
We remember a Living God by receiving the Living Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. You remember God in a previous Covenant with no living sacrifice, which is fine except God wouldn’t have sent His Son Jesus if there wasn’t a need. You do this because this certain Commandment was kept inside the Ark. Well, the Ark is not holier than the Cross. The Cross held your Living God, not some tablet made of stone. You come very close to worshipping ‘things’ and not the Living God. Bibles, tablets and Arks cannot save you. Why do you think Jesus is called The Word? Because words on a tablet of stone are NOT THE LIVING WORD OF GOD, JESUS IS.
For every nuance of the Old Covenant, Jesus has replaced those with His Blood. He EVEN told us how to remember this Covenant and to “do this” meant to continue to do it. Why on earth would you totally ignore that?
We will just have to agree to disagree. However, you are the only one who believes a day will get you into Heaven or keep you out.
Peace Be With You
HC
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FCEGM
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It doesn’t have to be photoshopped; all it takes is some ignorant person who already has an animus towards the Church looking at a picture of an Ordination to the priesthood held at St. Peter’s and thinking the prostrating priests are worshipping the Pope.
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happilycatholic
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Yes of course, there is thatIt doesn’t have to be photoshopped; all it takes is some ignorant person who already has an animus towards the Church looking at a picture of an Ordination to the priesthood held at St. Peter’s and thinking the prostrating priests are worshipping the Pope.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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“If you love me, keep my commandments”: well, “Love is the fulfilling of the Law”, as Paul says. And it can be summarised in two great comandments:
- love God
- love your neighbour
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BibleTruth
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May God be with you all.
In Christ,
Andrew
In Christ,
Andrew
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Patrick_Murebil
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happilycatholic
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Yes, God be with you Andrew.
Congrats Patrick!
HC
Congrats Patrick!
HC
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SavingTruth
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I’m a firm believer in letting the bible speak. On all matters
Because if there is any part in our lives that our Heavenly Father has no say in then Christ cannot help us with it. And that would make God less than All-Powerful.
Eccl 1:10 The thing that hath been, is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done, and there is no new thing under the sun.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
March 7th 321 AD Constantine, the first ‘christian’ Roman Emperor, commanded that all under his domain worship on the “Venerable Day of the Sun.” Now known to us as Sunday.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rome was fast losing its authority which was strong during the time of Jesus.
To unite Christians and Pagans, it then became a religo-political power, making it diverse from those that were before it.
For 1260 years Christians were persecuted for their faith under the guise of religion. Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
They were told to give up their belief in the Sabbath taught to them by Christ Himself and the apostles He left behind to continue His work. The mountains and caves became their dwelling places. The armies and the zealots hunted them like game. Their deaths became spectator sports. Millions died for their faith . Others of them for the sake of peace gave in.
Eccl. 1:11 Is there anything whereof it may be said, See this is new? it hath been already of old time which was before us.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 **Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. **
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 **When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) **
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:20 ** But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 **For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. **
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: **but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
Dan 12:1 **]And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. **
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
As we can see the resurrection follows this final event.
See we think that the battle is about us. But it is not. Its about who has the right to be obeyed. The Creator or the creature.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
Because if there is any part in our lives that our Heavenly Father has no say in then Christ cannot help us with it. And that would make God less than All-Powerful.
Eccl 1:10 The thing that hath been, is that which shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done, and there is no new thing under the sun.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
March 7th 321 AD Constantine, the first ‘christian’ Roman Emperor, commanded that all under his domain worship on the “Venerable Day of the Sun.” Now known to us as Sunday.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rome was fast losing its authority which was strong during the time of Jesus.
To unite Christians and Pagans, it then became a religo-political power, making it diverse from those that were before it.
For 1260 years Christians were persecuted for their faith under the guise of religion. Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
They were told to give up their belief in the Sabbath taught to them by Christ Himself and the apostles He left behind to continue His work. The mountains and caves became their dwelling places. The armies and the zealots hunted them like game. Their deaths became spectator sports. Millions died for their faith . Others of them for the sake of peace gave in.
Eccl. 1:11 Is there anything whereof it may be said, See this is new? it hath been already of old time which was before us.
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 **Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. **
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 **When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) **
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:20 ** But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 **For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. **
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: **but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
Dan 12:1 **]And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. **
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
As we can see the resurrection follows this final event.
See we think that the battle is about us. But it is not. Its about who has the right to be obeyed. The Creator or the creature.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
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