New Marian apparitions approved [NC Register]

[multitude]

The true way of paying respect to our Lady is by following her command to do whatever Jesus tells us to do. As in follow His commands and believe in Him. The main message of the Fatima apparition was this: Do not offend God anymore, because He is already very much offended. Although some apparitions are true, we ultimately need to test the spirits. From what I have learned, this apparition is unsettling for me.

Yeah, I understand that. And, the fourth commandment is to honor your Father and Mother. Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it. How is this not fulfilling that commandment? If you consider this apparition unsettling, then I wish you the best of luck.

 

[RPRPsych]

Not everyone expierienced Jesus through Mary. The apostle Andrew went to Jesus theough John the Baptist. Peter went through Andrew.

Both those cases are exceptional, because (a) they were Apostles hand-picked by Jesus, and (b) there is good evidence that the hyper-veneration of Mary began only after the Assumption.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Yeah, I understand that. And, the fourth commandment is to honor your Father and Mother. Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it. How is this not fulfilling that commandment? If you consider this apparition unsettling, then I wish you the best of luck.

And do whatever He tells you! Honor Mary by doing that. And if you find it true, I wish you God’s help.

 

[multitude]

And do whatever He tells you! Honor Mary by doing that. And if you find it true, I wish you God’s help.

Yeah I understand that. Do you not read anything I write? Good luck.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Both those cases are exceptional, because (a) they were Apostles hand-picked by Jesus, and (b) there is good evidence that the hyper-veneration of Mary began only after the Assumption.

How did Francis of Xavier make the life changing decision to become a Jesuit? How did Augustine become a Christian? Do you want me to mention more?

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Yeah I understand that. Do you not read anything I write? Good luck.

God help you.

 

[multitude]

God help you.

Thanks! You too

 

[RPRPsych]

How did Francis of Xavier make the life changing decision to become a Jesuit? How did Augustine become a Christian? Do you want me to mention more?

Those are valid examples, and I’m not disagreeing with them. However, if you look at the lives of the Saints, you’ll find that most of them are great examples of Marian devotion. God works in many ways. As a certain apologist said, “we should not try to limit God.”

 

[I_trust]

I find a number of elements in this challenging. There were I believe 6 Fatima apparitions, and 18 at Lourdes. To my knowledge, one at Knock. But 1,804 in San Nicolas? With another 68 from Jesus Himself? .

The apparitions at Laus (approved by the Holy See in 2008) occurred over a period of more than 50 years and Mary appeared to the seer THOUSANDS of times.Jesus, Mary, angels and saints appeared to the seer.

 

[I_trust]

It’s kind of odd that Mary would use the term “atheist”…as in: ““In the large cities of the world, atheism and a complete indifference toward God reign…”

Because in Mary’s era, the Christians in the first century or two were the ones called “atheists” because they refused to believe in all of the gods.

It’s not a term that the actual Mary herself would have used in this context.
Quite the opposite.

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Are you saying that the exact same word “atheist” was used in the first century?
If not, why would you have a hard time believing that Mary would use the word now?

Obviously a word meaning non-believer has a totally different meaning when used by the Holy Mother of God than by a polytheist.

I see no reason why Mary would not use the word “atheist”. Do you think Mary would not be opposed to the secular atheism present in society? I don’t understand your point.

 

[TCEL]

Are you saying that the exact same word “atheist” was used in the first century?
If not, why would you have a hard time believing that Mary would use the word now?

Obviously a word meaning non-believer has a totally different meaning when used by the Holy Mother of God than by a polytheist.

I see no reason why Mary would not use the word “atheist”.

I agree. If she truly is alive (which I of course believe, and the book of Revelations shows the saints in Heaven offering our prayers), it’s not as though she’s ignorant. It’s not like she’s in some kind of “cryo-sleep,” or stasis. No flippancy intended, but she’s not Han Solo stuck in a block of whatever.

 

[RPRPsych]

It’s kind of odd that Mary would use the term “atheist”…as in: ““In the large cities of the world, atheism and a complete indifference toward God reign…”

Because in Mary’s era, the Christians in the first century or two were the ones called “atheists” because they refused to believe in all of the gods.

It’s not a term that the actual Mary herself would have used in this context.
Quite the opposite.

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So Mary’s vocabulary, by your standards, must remain stuck at the 1st century level?

By that logic, she must have been snoozing for a long time in Heaven.

 

[I_trust]

It’s kind of odd that Mary would use the term “atheist”…as in: ““In the large cities of the world, atheism and a complete indifference toward God reign…”

Because in Mary’s era, the Christians in the first century or two were the ones called “atheists” because they refused to believe in all of the gods.

It’s not a term that the actual Mary herself would have used in this context.
Quite the opposite.

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If your argument is not with the modernity of the word “atheist” but rather that Mary would not offend modern people by calling them atheist because Christians were called such…
The first century Christians were also called “sinners” by the Jews of that time.
So Mary would not call people “sinners” today because Christians were called sinners in the first century?
Fatima, Lourdes etc. would contradict this reasoning.

 

[JosieN]

Regarding Mary as the " ark"- THIS is well understood by the Catholic Church and I would like to encourage the reading of the book Behold Your Mother by Tim Staples- especially Chapter 4. I would love to quote it all but it is too long������ He does an excellent job of using Old Testament . New Testament, Church Father And the Catechism to show our Blessed Mother with this title!!! Also do Dr Scott Hahn and Dr Edward Sri. This needs to be first understood in order to understand this current Apparition . I site from Tim Staples book ,“Although brief overview please at least read both Elizabeth’s exclamation of Mary in Luke 1:43 and then read Second Samuel 6 ( in this text we discover the Ark of the Covenant being brought into the newly conquered city of Jerusalem in triumphant procession. Such interesting parallels” ( ex. 2 Samuel 6:9, 6:16, 6:11 etc…)

I will also add a quote from St Athanasius (360)
“O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word. To whom all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all. O ark of the New Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides…If I say the angels and archangels are great- but you are greater than them all, for the Angels and archangels serve with trembling the One who dwells in your womb, and they dare not speak in His presence, while you speak to him freely”

Our dear Blessed Mother cares for us and speaks out to warn, guide and lead us to Jesus in difficult days often appearing to the very humble. It is a blessing that She does this. Her heart is together with her Son, our Lord’s������ I am grateful for this approved Apparition! Praise God!

mlz

Thank you for the quote from St Athanasius. It is clear to me that
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant because she was the dwelling place of God as this quote says " the flesh within divinity resides". She is honoured and praised for her role as the mother of Jesus. She is greater than the angels and archangels because the Son of God was with her. The quote reveals Mary to us in a special way because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was with her. She was nearer to Him than other human person.

I think it is important to remember that Mary is the Ark because she carried with her the one who saves us from our sins, not because she can save us from our sins. She is loved for her role as Mother of Christ our Savior, and she leads us to Him and intercedes for us. She goes to her Son and makes our prayers known to Him. Mere words cannot describe how greatly she aides us with the help of her Son Jesus Christ and I am grateful to our Holy Mother Mary for all her prayers.

This apparition does not sound like anything I have read about Mary before and I have my doubts. In this apparition the Ark appears to have a different meaning than the one mentioned by St Athanasius in your quote.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Those are valid examples, and I’m not disagreeing with them. However, if you look at the lives of the Saints, you’ll find that most of them are great examples of Marian devotion. God works in many ways. As a certain apologist said, “we should not try to limit God.”

With the examples I looked up, what I presented was the norm rather than the exeception.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Thank you for the quote from St Athanasius. It is clear to me that
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant because she was the dwelling place of God as this quote says " the flesh within divinity resides". She is honoured and praised for her role as the mother of Jesus. She is greater than the angels and archangels because the Son of God was with her. The quote reveals Mary to us in a special way because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was with her. She was nearer to Him than other human person.

I think it is important to remember that Mary is the Ark because she carried with her the one who saves us from our sins, not because she can save us from our sins. She is loved for her role as Mother of Christ our Savior, and she leads us to Him and intercedes for us. She goes to her Son and makes our prayers known to Him. Mere words cannot describe how greatly she aides us with the help of her Son Jesus Christ and I am grateful to our Holy Mother Mary for all her prayers.

This apparition does not sound like anything I have read about Mary before and I have my doubts. In this apparition the Ark appears to have a different meaning than the one mentioned by St Athanasius in your quote.

 

[mlz]

Thank you for the quote from St Athanasius. It is clear to me that
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant because she was the dwelling place of God as this quote says " the flesh within divinity resides". She is honoured and praised for her role as the mother of Jesus. She is greater than the angels and archangels because the Son of God was with her. The quote reveals Mary to us in a special way because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was with her. She was nearer to Him than other human person.

I think it is important to remember that Mary is the Ark because she carried with her the one who saves us from our sins, not because she can save us from our sins. She is loved for her role as Mother of Christ our Savior, and she leads us to Him and intercedes for us. She goes to her Son and makes our prayers known to Him. Mere words cannot describe how greatly she aides us with the help of her Son Jesus Christ and I am grateful to our Holy Mother Mary for all her prayers.

This apparition does not sound like anything I have read about Mary before and I have my doubts. In this apparition the Ark appears to have a different meaning than the one mentioned by St Athanasius in your quote.

How so? Please explain.
In His love,
mlz

 

[JosieN]

How so? Please explain.
In His love,
mlz

Here is the quote from the article regarding “the Ark”

When Jesus appeared to Gladys he referred to Mary as “my Ark.” Jesus emphasized this major identification again. Gladys first saw the ark of Moses, then the ark of Noah. Jesus said: “In the past, the world was saved by the Ark of Noah. Today my mother is the Ark. It is through her, that souls will be saved, because she will lead them to me. He who rejects my mother, rejects me.”

I am questioning how the ark of Noah (a ship)and the Ark of the New Covenant (Mary being the dwelling place of God) can compare to each other. In my opinion they are not similar and it seems strange.

Here is another quote I have concerns with.

“It is from here that I invite the world to look for the Living Fountain, the Fountain of Peace, the Fountain of grace. I want to cure my children from this illness which is materialism; an illness which makes many suffer. I want to help them discover Christ, and I want to make it known to them that Christ prevails over everything.”

Here Mary warns us about the illness of materialism. In 1610, when Our Lady of Good Success appeared, she warned us of the Sacrament of Matrimony being attacked, and priests being careless in their duties. Our Lady of Good Success also said that after the middle of the 20th century innocence will almost no longer be found in children, and no modesty in women. These are the types of things she warned us about.

Gladys message from Our Holy Mother Mary speaks of none of these things. It just seems odd to me, and though I would like to believe that Gladys spoke with our Blessed Mother, for these reasons I still have my doubts.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

Christ came through this world through Our Lady, the first time, relying on Her. He will rely on Her the second time. It was written in Revelations; it’s the Lady vs. the Dragon. Considering the times we live in, considering how society now treats the most defenseless groups of people, I’d say there isn’t a more perfect time, or a more perfect scenario. Christ knew how this all was going to play out.

Considering that this is actually consistent with what the Saints have been saying for the last number of centuries, from St. Louis de Montfort, to St. Alphonsus de Liguouri, to St. Maximilian Kolbe, why are you so surprised?

The Protoevangelium says that "Your (Eve’s) male offspring (“His”)(Christ) will wound Satan’s head.

Do you have any Patristic quotes indicating that Christ will rely on Mary a “second time”, and that Mary will be the primary conqueror of Satan?

 

[commenter]

I am questioning how the ark of Noah (a ship)and the Ark of the New Covenant (Mary being the dwelling place of God) can compare to each other. In my opinion they are not similar and it seems strange.

Think of the Ark as a big waterbed. Think of a womb as a small waterbed.
The Ark preserved the line of the First Adam. The womb carried the Second Adam. But remember it’s a private revelation. It is not teaching doctrine. A private revelation is like an analogy, or a poetic expression pointing to the Truth communicated directly in Public Revelation. It is designed to focus your attention on in particular, the Mass, and **Public Revelation, not mainly other private revelations. **

If a given private revelation, or all private revelations, don’t help you in that way, that is ok. I don’ t like a lot of hymns that happen to inspire other people. So be it. You can’t expect a poem to line up exactly with all the rules of prose.

The local bishop has approved this private revelation, so I am confident it does not conflict with Public Revelation. If you find the Argentina analogy, or private revelation, does not support your devotion, that is fine, it does not say anything lacking about you.