New Study: Undocumented Immigrants Not Linked to Urban Crime

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This study focuses on property crime and violent crime. It is rigorous, promising, and hopefully puts to rest the accusation that undocumented immigrants are making U.S. cities more crime-ridden. UB study finds no apparent link between undocumented immigration, crime - UB Now: News and views for UB faculty and staff - University at Buffalo

With this new knowledge, hopefully we can start focusing more on the Church’s call to create a just path to immigration. Catholic Church's Position on Immigration Reform | USCCB
 
Immigration harms low income native born workers. Close the border to economic migrants.
 
Yeah… these people obviously didn’t grow up by the border like I have.

Some immigrants are great. Good hard working people who help our city. But crime increased a lot since the demographics have changed. Regardless of what these papers always insist on writing.
 
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Even if every single one of them was an angel, they are not Americans and they have no right to be here. Immigration is a gift that be given or taken at any time and it is not owed to anyone from anywhere. The US government has a duty to its citizens and no others.
 
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hopefully puts to rest the accusation that undocumented immigrants are making U.S. cities more crime-ridden.
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The only thing that would put that to rest would be a public announcement by God Himself. And even then, I suspect a lot of people would be yelling “fake news”.
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Regardless of what these papers always insist on writing.
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Further deponent sayeth not.
 
Like I said. I’ve grown up in it.

I’ve watched it first hand.

Are you implying that what I have witnessed in my community is untrue?
 
Don’t trust your own experience. Trust the “experts”.
 
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But crime increased a lot since the demographics have changed.
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It may have. But these data shows that said crime isn’t linked to undocumented immigrants.
WillC said:
Are you implying that what I have witnessed in my community is untrue?
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It may be. That isn’t a moral deficit on your part. Perhaps there was a connection when you were growing up that no longer exists. Also, we’re often so colored by our biases that we don’t always see what’s true. This is why we rely on research and data.
 
Research and data is easy to lie about. As is obvious in the last 10 years. And, of course, that can go either way. And it does.

However, when I have personal friends that work on the department, and they testify that the vast majority of violent crimes are from undocumented immigrants, why would I listen to a paper over:

-what i have seen first hand

-what law enforcement has seen first hand
 
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I am suggesting that there is a possibility that you could be mistaken, or if not, that what you witnessed could be atypical. Everyone is subject to that sort of thing. I do not at all suggest that you are being deliberately untruthful. Also, by and large, reputable newspapers only print as news that which is verifiable. Editorials are, of course, a different matter.
 
I see. Well, I can’t fault you for that. You are not wrong. And one can always be wrong, as you say. You’re correct that it is always wise to remain humble.

However, what is one to do when they see an article like this when personal experience has shown otherwise?

There are many reputable papers, articles that post “facts”. Of which other reputable sources disagree.

And also interesting to note is that no law enforcement was stated as being interviewed on the subject. And they would be the best reputable source of information on the matter.
 
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And also interesting to note is that no law enforcement was stated as being interviewed on the subject. And they would be the best reputable source of information on the matter.
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For research into questions that are strictly factual, interviews are not the best way to gather information. Data from official records is more accurate and reduces the possibility of unconscious bias. Research such as this should be conducted using official records and statistics rather than anecdotes and impressions.
 
Personally, I support a much more more liberal/generous immigration laws with stricter, consistent targeted enforcement. This seems pretty similar to what was posted on the USCCB website by their Office of Migration Policy and Public Affairs in the OP’s link.

We kind of have the opposite now (stricter laws, with inconsistent enforcement), which incentivizes illegal and covert immigration and all the abuses that accompany it, and increases uncertainty, suspicion, and general resentment.
 
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Thats great to say. But its exceptionally easy to manipulate data.

The only ones listed on this article are a few professor’s and journalists. Along with a few in house studies.

I can’t trust “facts” without evidence from different sources. Because, as it stands, several different studies with the information gathered by different individuals, has come up mixed.
 
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But its exceptionally easy to manipulate data.
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I don’t know that I would classify it as exceptionally easy. And I don’t think it is so much manipulating the data itself as it is in the interpretation of that data. I personally place less trust in surveys and polls than statistical analyses, because simply the way a poll or survey question is worded can almost force a result. No human run process is perfect, but we can always strive to be better, and a careful look at the methodology can help, if one has the knowledge to do it (I unfortunately am not an expert and have to rely on a combination of my own “smell test” and opinions of people that I trust).
 
Not necessarily. What percentage of illegal immigrants are apprehended (or are living without being apprehended) in urban areas? And is that specific “crime” one that is of concern other than in a strictly technical sense?
 
Nobody knows the percentage. If it’s technically a crime, it’s a crime.
 
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