New Study: Undocumented Immigrants Not Linked to Urban Crime

[blackforest]

I see no contradiction or problem there.

We have one of the highest numbers of immigrants, but I haven’t seen data that parses out documented from undocumented. If they’re in the latter category, nobody “let” them in.

Somehow you don’t seem to mind when an innocent citizen or legal immigrant is murdered, raped, or otherwise assaulted by someone who should not be in the country.

I feel like I’m in a Cathy Newman interview. Where on earth did I say this? I’m simply sharing data showing that undocumented immigration doesn’t cause higher rates of property or violent crime.

so don’t try to tell me the taxpayer is not ever dragged into this.

Where the research is concerned, the jury is still out on the economic impact of undocumented immigrants and suggests that they may actually benefit (more than harm) the economy. For example: Illegal immigration a benefit to Texas economy, new study finds Of course, I side with the Church in advocating for a just path to immigration so that their working conditions and salaries improve.

 

[Odilon]

We have one of the highest numbers of immigrants, but I haven’t seen data that parses out documented from undocumented. If they’re in the latter category, nobody “let” them in.

Yes, that’s true. In the latter category (the illegals) took it upon themselves to violate our immigration laws.

I feel like I’m in a Cathy Newman interview. Where on earth did I say this?

The fact that you accept and champion the presence of people here illegally is enough to show you are fine with this reality of crimes against innocents - you don’t have to say it, the implication of your viewpoint is crystal clear.

You have the same problem with the killing of innocent babies in the womb. You claim you are a Democrat, a supposedly “caring” person who supports a political party that is just fine with the heinous practice of abortion, even late term ones. Pray friend, tell us all why you don’t follow what the Catholic Church teaches us about that intrinsic evil?

 

[Johann_du_Toit]

Illegal immigration creates a culture of lawlessness. If you are willing to ignore a country’s immigration laws, then you are likely to ignore it’s other laws as well.

BTW I’m not against immigration, as immigration, if properly regulated, can be good thing for a country’s economic and social growth, and count many immigrants (from places like Poland, Greece, Democratic Republic of Congo, India, etc) as my friends. I am against chaos, anarchy, and the collapse of the rule of law. Not making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration is like not making any distinction between lovemaking and rape.

 

[whatistrue]

That’s worse than a pile of manure. The “news” is full of deceptive spin and propaganda.

I think it is very interesting that the one who uses the term “fake news” the most is the one generating the fakest news available. So how did that orange Kool-Aid taste?

 

[blackforest]

The fact that you accept and champion the presence of people here illegally is enough to show you are fine with this reality of crimes against innocents

“Implication?” From now on, let’s address points that I’m actually making, not misrepresentations and imaginary points. Citing irrefutable data does not mean that anybody is OK with crimes against others.

You claim you are a Democrat,

LOL! Where? I’m am soooo not a Democrat!

 

[Odilon]

LOL! Where? I’m am soooo not a Democrat!

My mistake, it was another poster who made the claim… (Just having a senior moment - LOL)

 

[pnewton]

Yeah… these people obviously didn’t grow up by the border like I have.

What does that have to do with anything? The two presidents who have wanted immigration reform the most have been from border states, and Republicans, btw.

Are you implying that what I have witnessed in my community is untrue?

It is anecdotal. I have witnessed the opposite. That is why we use broader numbers.

One has to look at the prison population.

This article is not about the prison population. It is about the federal prison population, a big difference, since federal prisons only hold about 8% of prisoners, and more likely to hold those with immigration issues. The fact that this is even presented as evidence is dubious.

 

[pnewton]

Somehow you don’t seem to mind when an innocent citizen or legal immigrant is murdered, raped, or otherwise assaulted by someone who should not be in the country

What an awful thing to say about another person. A little charity, please.

All the economic issues about salaries and cost of services are separate issues. I am pretty sure the OP is only about the claim that all illegal immigrants are committing crimes at a greater rate than the general population; the demonization of them as rapists and murderers, though some may be good people. It is this type of prejudice that is being addressed.

 

[Victoria33]

This article is not about the prison population. It is about the federal prison population, a big difference, since federal prisons only hold about 8% of prisoners, and more likely to hold those with immigration issues. The fact that this is even presented as evidence is dubious.

No, it’s about both.

There were more than 730,000 criminal aliens in U.S. or state prisons and local jails during the period measured. They accounted for 4.9 million arrests for 7.5 million offenses. (The numbers, according to the GAO: 197,000 criminal aliens in federal prisons, arrested 1.4 million times for 2 million offenses, between 2011 and 2016; 533,000 in state or local facilities between 2010 and 2015, representing 3.5 million arrests for 5.5 million offenses.)

The arrests include allegations of more than 1 million drug crimes, a half-million assaults, 133,800 sex offenses and 24,200 kidnappings.

One in five US prison inmates is a ‘criminal alien’ | The Hill

 

[Odilon]

No doubt about it, that’s a lot of money that is going to incarcerate people who should not even be here. This is wrong, it is an injustice to those who have to foot the bill.

 

[Odilon]

What an awful thing to say about another person. A little charity, please.

It’s the truth. Where is the concern for those who are directly affected by the criminal activity of people who are here illegally? As far as I can determine there is none. This is all aided and abetted by the members of one political party - Democrats. They care more about the illegal entrant than they do about their fellow citizens.

 

[pnewton]

This is a response to a previous accusation against @blackforest of:

Somehow you don’t seem to mind when an innocent citizen or legal immigrant is murdered, raped, or otherwise assaulted by someone who should not be in the country.

It’s the truth.

No, it is not “the truth.” You are not capable of reading the human heart.

Reason directs compassion. It does not nullify it.

 

[Odilon]

Reason directs compassion. It does not nullify it.

We differ as to how that compassion is exercised. I want a safe experience for all our new immigrants, and not enforcing the immigration laws now on the books sends these people to the drug cartels who are running the illegal immigration pipeline. Excessive fees are charged, women and young girls are routinely raped by the “coyotes”, and others are assaulted with many being abandoned in the desert to die. That’s compassion? I think not.

 

[blackforest]

Thanks for stepping in here. I don’t take it personally because hurling insults is usually the last refuge of someone running out of legitimate arguments. Confirmation bias is unfortunately more powerful than any facts you sling at it.

 

[Odilon]

So my arguments are illegitimate? Okay then, let me say this - there are consequences to your stated position on this issue - unintended consequences for sure, but consequences nonetheless. Innocent people do get hurt, so what is your opinion about that?

 

[pnewton]

Innocent people do get hurt, so what is your opinion about that?

I can answer that. Innocent people get hurt, in different ways, regardless of immigration. Do you think no one is ever killed in Central America by drug gangs? Or that some who have come here have avoided a brutal death in their native country? The point is to have accuracy in the statistics we use to make the best, most reasonable, decision on national policy. That is what I mean that reason directs compassion.

 

[Odilon]

Do you think no one is ever killed in Central America by drug gangs?

That’s where they live and is a problem for their societies to solve. I will agree that most of the people who come here illegally are good hard working people, but there is a certain percentage that come here who create chaos for our nation.

The point is to have accuracy in the statistics we use to make the best, most reasonable, decision on national policy

The statistics are irrelevant - one American citizen victim of an illegal entrant is one too many. To me the best and most reasonable decision on this issue is legal immigration according to our laws.

 

[pnewton]

I will never agree that these statistics are irrelevant. I do not believe in disregarding data.