They have. Serious crimes like rapes, assaults and murders happen all the time in places like Long Island, NY and in the metro D.C. area (Maryland) where MS-13 gang bangers have settled. These crimes have been widely reported in the media so I do not know how you have missed hearing about them.
I would like to see employers found hiring illegal immigrants fined 10% of their gross revenue per illegal immigrant per year of employment to discourage this behavior. If it bankrupts them all the better.
They can preyed upon by citizens and documented immigrants, as well. Our dysfunctional immigration system makes the undocumented too afraid to report any crime . . . or anything as banal as a fender bender.
As Bear and I covered, only reported crime data can be studied. This means that empty claims about immigrants “bringing up crime rates” cannot be supported by mere speculation. I can just as easily speculate that U.S. citizens are committing tons of crimes against undocumented immigrants that the latter are too afraid to report. But no serious study leaves room for such speculation, which is too vulnerable to bias and prejudice either way.
The article is simply a synopsis of the study. I’m not going to comment on how well or poorly written it is, but you can access the study in the link I provided right above your post, and that should answers your question.
It can be corrected for by looking at the rate of crime, by percentage, committed by each demographic, i.e. undocumented or not. Such data would hold water regardless of how many total crimes are committed.
You can read his methodology in the same link.
We don’t have a “small about of information” about the study. We have the study - not just the abstract, the whole study.
Anecdotes by a sensationalist media are no substitute for actual raw data. Adelman and his colleagues aren’t arguing that there are zero crimes; they’re simply stating that the evidence flies against the claim that undocumented immigrants are responsible for any uptick in violent and property crimes.
And this is where our Church disagrees with you, arguing that our current process is indeed unjust and must undergo some profound reform.
Come on, that is not a factor now. It is common knowledge in the illegal immigrant community that crimes against them can be reported and in many jurisdictions they will not be turned over to ICE for deportation. In fact, illegals who commit crimes themselves are set loose to commit more crimes instead of being turned over to the Feds for removal from the country - that’s how crazy things have become.
Don’t change the subject. We’re talking about crime committed by undocumented immigrants here, not crimes committed by Joe Criminal born in USA. And also, if the undocumented somehow encourage US citizens to commit crime, then that’s another argument for not having them here creating a target of opportunity.
I also agree with this. Even if undocumented criminals are only raising the crime rate by a small percent, let’s say 1 or 2 percent, they still should not be here doing what they do. We have to take responsibility for the crimes of our own citizens. We should not have to take responsibility for crimes committed by people who already committed a crime just by entering the country. We could spend that enforcement money helping people who are actually permitted under law to be here.
Exactly! It’s easy for someone who expresses support for illegal criminals in the safety of there own home who has not experienced first hand the devastation caused by being a victim of someone who should not be here to have that viewpoint. The criminal act is merely a statistic, you know sort of like the 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust.
At least up until recently, there seems to have been no record of crimes committed by illegal demographics as such. The best I could find was percentages of people here illegally in federal prisons.
I can’t find a link to this study in the article.
This is on topic. My point is that whether we’re addressing unreported crimes committed by undocumented immigrants, citizens, legal permanent residents, or whatever, they’re unreported, and thus subject to some of the wild conjecture we’re seeing in this thread.
Heck, I agree with that! Committing a violent or property crime should, depending on the nature of the crime, result in deportation or at least a serious threat to becoming a citizen. I do not agree with not allowing anybody in “just in case” someone commits a crime, especially where the data don’t support that idea.
I’m pretty happy with the framework set out by the USCCB and would want to consult with policy experts to determine the nitty gritty, e.g. exact numbers. What specifics are you look for?
I linked it for you by your last post. Please keep an open mind. You seem to be dismissing the study before even viewing it, so I would encourage you to take a good look.
I have not heard any conspiracy theories of vast networks of MS-13. Just the actual vicious attacks they carry out.
To which I would add, many are not particularly well educated, many minimally, and they come from countries whose reputation in terms of policing is such (often due to corruption, as well as other complex issues) that one stays as far away from police as possible. Coming to the US, that fear of police is carried with them.
Terribly naïve doesn’t even start to describe how almost totally removed from reality their statements are. Unless and until they start giving real world realistic plans for cleaning up the vast amount of corruption and outright crime committed by the government officials and police - local and federal (as well as within the militaries), I am going to continue to quietly say to myself “lalalalalalalal” and go about my business.
So just for the record, Bishops are part of that large network called the Magisterium. What they say is to be taken seriously, not treated with any degree of flippant, (“lalalalalalala”), Cafeteria Catholicism. Their top priority right now is to support legislation that fixes our broken immigration system. “Addressing root causes” for why they emigrate here will likely not even be included in such a bill.
They focused their analysis on ‘property crime’ yet use headlines that extend it to encompass all ‘urban crime’
