NEW YORK: Lesbian [Episcopal ] Priest Nominee on List to be Next Bishop of New York

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It appears that someone around here is an advocate of “broad”, wide and easy", and “many there are”.
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
It appears that someone around here is an advocate of “broad”, wide and easy", and “many there are”.
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Your post makes no sense and doesn’t relate to what I wrote. My post regards whether CAF, in general, accurately reflects the atmosphere of the Catholic church. I use examples to demonstrate how this is so.
 
1holycatholic said:
The point is that Episcopalians don’t have Holy Communion.
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We don’t??? Thats strange, I take Holy Communion every Sunday Morning at 10am Mass.

Your certainly intitled to your opinion and maybe in the eyes of the Catholic Church we don’t have Holy Communion; but in all honesty, its not much of a concern to us Episcopalians how any religious organization feels about us. We let them do their thing and we do ours. Its as simple as that.
 
gamewell45 said:
We don’t??? Thats strange, I take Holy Communion every Sunday Morning at 10am Mass.

Your certainly intitled to your opinion and maybe in the eyes of the Catholic Church we don’t have Holy Communion; but in all honesty, its not much of a concern to us Episcopalians how any religious organization feels about us. We let them do their thing and we do ours. Its as simple as that.
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You are free to believe what you’d like about your communion service. I am free to believe that I can fly, but if I jump off a skyscraper, I will be a puddle of goo in seconds. The fact of the matter is that the Anglican ecclessiastical community broke communion with Rome and then corrupted the doctrine of the Church. Anglicans (and by derivation, Episcopalians) left the Church, and as their understanding of the Eucharist has been corrupted by the clergy, it is no longer the Body and Blood of Christ as taught by Jesus himself. You can call it Holy Communion, but it is not, in the strict theological sense, the sacrament that was instituted by Christ on the eve of His passion and death. Yes, you are celebrating community. Yes, the spirit of Christ is present. No, He is not present in toto as promised when He offered Himself as our sin offering.
 
ringil said:
CAF is not an accurate depiction of the average American parish.
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I do think in a parish, unlike on CAF, all members of the Catholic Church per Church teaching are allowed to identify as one per that same Church teaching.
 
ringil said:
Your post makes no sense and doesn’t relate to what I wrote. My post regards whether CAF, in general, accurately reflects the atmosphere of the Catholic church. I use examples to demonstrate how this is so.
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It makes no sense because you seem to insist, contrary to Christ’s admonishment, that the road that few find is NOT the road to take.
The stuff of Catholic hobbyists not simple practicing Catholics.
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The typical Catholic parish is not composed of practicing Catholics. You hold that up as virtue. No wonder it makes no sense to you.

The typical person that self identifies as a Catholic, and is signed up on the rolls at a parish somewhere, probably thinks that an abomination like homosexuality is something that nice warm fuzzies are made of, despite what the Church they belong to teaches. Then, to make the fuzzies warmer, a member of Christian clergy?!
 
gamewell45 said:
We don’t??? Thats strange, I take Holy Communion every Sunday Morning at 10am Mass.

Your certainly intitled to your opinion and maybe in the eyes of the Catholic Church we don’t have Holy Communion; but in all honesty, its not much of a concern to us Episcopalians how any religious organization feels about us. We let them do their thing and we do ours. Its as simple as that.
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Doing your own thing is the raison d’être for Anglican and Episcopalian denominations.

The Church is Christ. The Church is the custodian of the Sacraments. The Church is incapable of error regarding faith and morals. The Church states that Anglican/Episcopalian orders are invalid and that without valid Holy Orders there is no Eucharist, it’s not a matter of my opinion.
[bibledrb]Luke 10:16[/bibledrb]
 
gamewell45 said:
We don’t??? Thats strange, I take Holy Communion every Sunday Morning at 10am Mass.

Your certainly intitled to your opinion and maybe in the eyes of the Catholic Church we don’t have Holy Communion; but in all honesty, its not much of a concern to us Episcopalians how any religious organization feels about us. We let them do their thing and we do ours. Its as simple as that.
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Gamewell, yes as you know, what they actually mean is they don’t believe you have Holy Communion. Peace to you.
 
CMatt25 said:
Gamewell, yes as you know, what they actually mean is they don’t believe you have Holy Communion. Peace to you.
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Which brings us back to the point of responding in a charitable manner on the subject…if offense wasn’t intended by the “grape juice and cracker” comment…why make it?🤷 It is an offensive way to describe someone elses sacred rites…I can only imagine how Catholics would respond if someone made such a statement…“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”…seems to have been ignored…at least in my opinion…but then…
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
You are free to believe what you’d like about your communion service. I am free to believe that I can fly, but if I jump off a skyscraper, I will be a puddle of goo in seconds. The fact of the matter is that the Anglican ecclessiastical community broke communion with Rome and then corrupted the doctrine of the Church. Anglicans (and by derivation, Episcopalians) left the Church, and as their understanding of the Eucharist has been corrupted by the clergy, it is no longer the Body and Blood of Christ as taught by Jesus himself. You can call it Holy Communion, but it is not, in the strict theological sense, the sacrament that was instituted by Christ on the eve of His passion and death. Yes, you are celebrating community. Yes, the spirit of Christ is present. No, He is not present in toto as promised when He offered Himself as our sin offering.
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Well Scott, as you said, I’m free to believe what I like about my communion service; you believe in yours and i’ll believe in mine and we’ll both be happy.
 
1holycatholic said:
Doing your own thing is the raison d’être for Anglican and Episcopalian denominations.

The Church is Christ. The Church is the custodian of the Sacraments. The Church is incapable of error regarding faith and morals. The Church states that Anglican/Episcopalian orders are invalid and that without valid Holy Orders there is no Eucharist, it’s not a matter of my opinion.
[bibledrb]Luke 10:16[/bibledrb]
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1holycatholic, I would never deny you your right to your beliefs nor attempt to persuade you to change them. That being said, both you and I will have to agree to disagree on this particular thread.
 
Publisher said:
Which brings us back to the point of responding in a charitable manner on the subject…if offense wasn’t intended by the “grape juice and cracker” comment…why make it?🤷 It is an offensive way to describe someone elses sacred rites…I can only imagine how Catholics would respond if someone made such a statement…“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”…seems to have been ignored…at least in my opinion…but then…
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It was intended to be offensive and that’s the problem. But know that most Catholics don’t sit around in a circle making jokes about other peoples faith and pat eachother on the back when they say something the group thinks is funny.

Of course we believe the Church to be true and that Anglicanism is missing out, but to “act the fool” is inappropriate and unbecomming of a child of God.

We are called to be fervent not to be jerks.
 
gamewell45 said:
1holycatholic, I would never deny you your right to your beliefs nor attempt to persuade you to change them. That being said, both you and I will have to agree to disagree on this particular thread.
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Short of the forced administration of psychotropic drugs I don’t know how it would be possible to deny someone the right to their beliefs. 🤷
 
Publisher said:
Which brings us back to the point of responding in a charitable manner on the subject…if offense wasn’t intended by the “grape juice and cracker” comment…why make it?🤷 It is an offensive way to describe someone elses sacred rites…I can only imagine how Catholics would respond if someone made such a statement…“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”…seems to have been ignored…at least in my opinion…but then…
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Do you mean if a non Catholic said Catholics do not have the Body and Blood of Christ but only wafers and wine? Non-Catholics are expected to be respectful of the Catholic faith. And Catholics it is said are also to be charitable in their discussions about non-Catholic belief and practice.
 
CMatt25 said:
You mean if a non Catholic said Catholics do not have the Body and Blood of Christ but only wafers and wine? Non-Catholics are expected to be respectful of the Catholic faith. And Catholics it is said are also to be charitable in their discussions about non-Catholic belief and practice.
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Yes…that’s exactly what I mean…the “charitalbe” part of discussion seems to be a “one way street”…at least from sitting on the sidelines watching. It is disheartening to say the least.
 
7_Sorrows said:
this is an example of why i am no longer an episcopalian. it saddens me to see how far the episcopal church has veered away from the teachings of the Catholic church.
my hope is that the episcopalians who remember there church for what it used to be and do not approve of what it is today, will join the Catholic church. there are already some anglican parishes which have joined with Rome and use the Anglican Use Mass.
i am sure that the number of episcopal churches will continue to dwindle as most of the congregation is elderly anyway.
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I agree that many Episcopalians and people from all different backgrounds are searching for the truth. Many are yearning to return to the historic Catholic Faith handed down by Christ to St. Peter. I hope we can learn from all current events, and that we are here to be “fishers of men,” to welcome all men and women who inquire, and by standing by our faith, always ready to defend it.

I know several people of differing faiths who are coming to RCIA after experiencing doubts about their protestant beliefs. People’s hearts are open to the gentleness they’ve experienced from Catholic friends who are willing to share their faith and their own conversion stories with a kind spirit.

The Church welcomes people of all ages, and I for one pray that elderly people will be shown, by our gentleness and respect, how precious they are to Our Lord Jesus and His Church. Converts come from so many backgrounds, at different stages of life.

It is not my place to judge individual people in the news, but my responsibility, my joy and honor to point to the Magisterium of the Church’s teaching, and the divine continuity of the Catholic Church through the ages. As an adult convert (since 2004) I am so grateful for the patience shown to me when I was a seeker myself. It’s a wonderful thing for all Catholics to be able to grow in the faith, and to welcome others to consider why we converted and embrace the Catholic faith.

Blessings to all,
Kathryn Ann
 
ringil said:
It was intended to be offensive and that’s the problem. But know that most Catholics don’t sit around in a circle making jokes about other peoples faith and pat eachother on the back when they say something the group thinks is funny.

Of course we believe the Church to be true and that Anglicanism is missing out, but to “act the fool” is inappropriate and unbecomming of a child of God.

We are called to be fervent not to be jerks.
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Thank you friend…I respect your honest respone.
 
CMatt25 said:
Gamewell, yes as you know, what they actually mean is they don’t believe you have Holy Communion. Peace to you.
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No, what it means is that according to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, they do not have Holy Communion. What “we” believe about it is irrelevant.
 
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