News from Diocese of Saginaw, MI

[Lepanto]

Hello all in Saginaw,

I was just at a parish in Frankenmuth this past weekend … and it was the most disturbing Mass I have ever attended.

These are just the beginning of the ungodly things I witnessed:

1. It took my 5 minutes to find the tabernacle, more or less in a closet.
2. No crucifix. Very strange seated statue outside.
3. Priest sat with the congregation in the first row of pews.
4. Priest gave a summary of the reading before they were proclaimed.
5. No Gloria on a Sunday Mass, penitential rites severly shortened.
6. Priest ad libbed most of the prayers of the Mass, saying whatever he felt like saying. Most of the prayers appeared to be from a binder.
7. Music accompaniment to the prayers of the faithful.
8. Priest consecrated a loaf of bread(literally) in a salad bowl.
9. This invalid matter was dropped multiple times in distribution, and even fell out of priests’ hands as he held it up before giving to the communicant
10. Homily advocated female priests.
11. Everyone stood during the Eucharistic Prayer and consecration.
12. Gospel was not read, but it was ad libbed by the priest into a femanist-agenda version.

Is this the rule for the Saginaw diocese?? I will be in the area next weekend also for a baseball tournament. Does anyone know if there is a place to find a Mass that is at least valid and somewhat close to GIRM guideline in the Frankenmuth area?

I offered some time in front of the Blessed Sacrament for this blatant disobedience. Penance was a necessity.

Please pray for this parish and Diocese of Saginaw.

JD

If this is indicative of the broader diocese, then yes, Saginaw is a basket-case in dire need of a turn-around.

God help Bishop Carlson!

 

[Lepanto]

SOLT=Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity
Father Corapi of EWTN fame belongs to the SOLT. It is based in Texas and has been around since 1958. SOLT has a pretty solid reputation. I would be optimistic.

Maybe he was “poached” from SOLT.

 

[frommi]

If this is indicative of the broader diocese, then yes, Saginaw is a basket-case in dire need of a turn-around.

God help Bishop Carlson!

Have you ever been there?

How are you qualified to make a judgment.

So much of what people babble about on here is based on half truths…and i might add that a good deal of the things people are whining about have been approved by the bishop.

 

[MFM]

Maybe he was “poached” from SOLT.

Yeah, someone should notify the press about the priest/seminarian poaching scandal that’s developing in Saginaw!

 

[Lepanto]

Have you ever been there?

How are you qualified to make a judgment.

So much of what people babble about on here is based on half truths…and i might add that a good deal of the things people are whining about have been approved by the bishop.

I lived in the Ubly area for many years and still have many ties to the Thumb. What other qualifications do I need to be allowed to express my opinion?

 

[bakhita]

You were surprised by this? In this neck of the woods, this would have been a good day. At least you didn’t the priest in the City of Saginaw says “Yahweh” to avoid the word “Father,” continually repeats “God” or “Jesus,” to avoid the “he” pronoun or replaces all of the “he/his” with “she/her.”

IMHO, I like the priest giving a summary of the readings. And as far as I know, there’s nothing technically wrong with a loaf of bread (as long as it’s valid matter), not too sure about the salad bowl. I don’t see anything wrong with the prayers being in a binder, but it does look tacky. Standing is the norm, the old, old Bishop saw to that back in the 70’s.

And around here, you are very, very lucky if you get the Gloria, Profession of Faith, or the part in the middle of the Lord’s Prayer.

That priest recently went on a rant about how horrible the new old Mass is. He went on and on about how wonderful the new Mass is and how the Pope allowing people to choose is “the very anthesis of what we were called to do fifty years ago.” He compared it to “ripping up newly laid carpeting to lay down the old.” I find that to be an ironic statement-how many beautiful churches did they destroy (I don’t mean new buildings) to renovate them and throw the old stuff out?

If you go to Bay City, St. Stanislaus has a mass that is very much in line with the GIRM. There are many people who go to St. Stan’s from miles around because it’s hard to find the mass celebrated with such reverence in the Saginaw diocese.

There are still a lot of priests and parishes that are refusing to go along with the bishop’s implementation of the GIRM. There is so much confusion among so many poorly catechized Saginaw Catholics. After the damage done in Saginaw in the 1980s and 1990s, there are many pockets of the diocese that are less Catholic and more Methodist Lite. Keep praying for Bishop Carlson.

 

[frommi]

If you go to Bay City, St. Stanislaus has a mass that is very much in line with the GIRM. There are many people who go to St. Stan’s from miles around because it’s hard to find the mass celebrated with such reverence in the Saginaw diocese.

There are still a lot of priests and parishes that are refusing to go along with the bishop’s implementation of the GIRM. There is so much confusion among so many poorly catechized Saginaw Catholics. After the damage done in Saginaw in the 1980s and 1990s, there are many pockets of the diocese that are less Catholic and more Methodist Lite. Keep praying for Bishop Carlson.

Oh here we go again…statements about the authenticity of the ‘poorly’ catechized in Saginaw.

In my experience, it’s generally those who claim that others are poorly catechized that don’t understand church teachings in the first place.

 

[Orionthehunter]

If he’s from outside the diocese (which it sounds like he is), he can’t be appointed as a pastor because he isn’t incardinated (I think).

Excardinate/incardinate are permanent reasssignements to another diocese. However, it is my understanding that there can be temporary “loans” which do not requires this process. However, since this person was appointed “administrator” which is effective temporary Pastor that can can be removed at a drop of a hat (or mitre), it is probably irrelevant on whether a more permanent incardination occurred.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Oh here we go again…statements about the authenticity of the ‘poorly’ catechized in Saginaw.

In my experience, it’s generally those who claim that others are poorly catechized that don’t understand church teachings in the first place.

after going to " Mass:" in the saginaw diocese, when I went to central michigan university, id say calling any parish I went to Catholic is using the term very lightly. no kneeling during eucharistic prayer? if I would of sit or stand during eucharistic prayer when I was a kid, my dad would given me a harsh spanking and a 1000 lines to wirte for blatently disrespecting God. Id say the saginaw diocese was run like a independent liberal church is.stuff like that just fuels the st piusX fire.

 

[frommi]

after going to " Mass:" in the saginaw diocese, when I went to central michigan university, id say calling any parish I went to Catholic is using the term very lightly. no kneeling during eucharistic prayer? if I would of sit or stand during eucharistic prayer when I was a kid, my dad would given me a harsh spanking and a 1000 lines to wirte for blatently disrespecting God. Id say the saginaw diocese was run like a independent liberal church is.stuff like that just fuels the st piusX fire.

Heavens to mergatroid! I’m shocked that the fires of hell didnt grab St Marys Student Center and swallow it into the earth if you weren’t kneeling.

 

[thomasf]

As a product of the Saginaw diocese from the 80s, and having 3 siblings that don’t know jack about their religion who were also products of the Saginaw diocese from the 80s, I can personally attest to the poor formation and religious education from that era. Bishop Untner was a nice guy, I like him a lot, but that area is in bad shape now. Bishop Carlson does need prayer and help.

 

[frommi]

As a product of the Saginaw diocese from the 80s, and having 3 siblings that don’t know jack about their religion who were also products of the Saginaw diocese from the 80s, I can personally attest to the poor formation and religious education from that era. Bishop Untner was a nice guy, I like him a lot, but that area is in bad shape now. Bishop Carlson does need prayer and help.

And as a product of the Catholic schools in Saginaw, who has a sister, 3 cousins, aunts, uncles, and parents from those same schools…I’d say you’re wrong.

 

[thomasf]

And as a product of the Catholic schools in Saginaw, who has a sister, 3 cousins, aunts, uncles, and parents from those same schools…I’d say you’re wrong.

You can’t compare the two. Most catholics aren’t products of the pariochial school system. Having gone through the ccd classes for 12 years at St Stephen’s and not knowing a lick about the faith when I came back, I can tell you the 80s were a bad time to be a catholic. Not to mention the whole being told that priestly confessions were no longer necessary, being served coffee cake instead of hosts during communion, etc. My sisters kids were allowed to have their first communion and confirmation without ever going to confession or being taught about that sacrament. That place is in bad shape.

 

[frommi]

Then maybe you’re family should have gone to Catholic schools…there was solid education there for them that they chose not to take advantage of…thats on the parents…

 

[aspawloski4th]

Heavens to mergatroid! I’m shocked that the fires of hell didnt grab St Marys Student Center and swallow it into the earth if you weren’t kneeling.

maybe not but bishop utener is paying for it somewhere not so desireble to be, maybe as we speak.

 

[saggal]

Oh here we go again…statements about the authenticity of the ‘poorly’ catechized in Saginaw.

In my experience, it’s generally those who claim that others are poorly catechized that don’t understand church teachings in the first place.

Ah, the infamous “you don’t know how to read the documents” response.

I can’t believe you fell for that, Frommi!

saggal, who attended and graduated from Saginaw Catholic schools, and apparently can’t read.

 

[frommi]

Ah, the infamous “you don’t know how to read the documents” response.

I can’t believe you fell for that, Frommi!

saggal, who attended and graduated from Saginaw Catholic schools, and apparently can’t read.

I didn’t say anything about not knowing how to read…

I think it just gets tiresome when people play this game of ‘orthodoxy jeopardy’.

Pope Benedict XV said it best when he said saying your ‘Catholic’ is enough…it doesn’t need any other qualifiers.

 

[Lepanto]

Then maybe you’re family should have gone to Catholic schools…there was solid education there for them that they chose not to take advantage of…thats on the parents…

On what data is this claim based? Are there standardized test scores comparing how well Saginaw’s students understand the faith vs. students of other dioceses?

 

[frommi]

On what data is this claim based? Are there standardized test scores comparing how well Saginaw’s students understand the faith vs. students of other dioceses?

Read the thread…the other poster basically said that it was irrelevant that I understood the faith because I went to Catholic schools.

I don’t think there is some goofy apologetics SAT out there.

 

[bakhita]

Id say the saginaw diocese was run like a independent liberal church is.stuff like that just fuels the st piusX fire.

You can see that this was the case as many Catholics did join Infant of Prague in Bay City and St. Dominic Savio in Freeland (both SSPX) in response to the decidedly un-Catholic atmosphere in most of the diocese.

Thankfully that atmosphere is beginning to change now.