Try reading the New England Journal of Medicine. You can fool yourself all you want that BCP’s aren’t abortifacients but the SCIENCE doesn’t back this up. There is a 3 fold contingency plan in the pill that doctors all know exists (at least if they’ve actually gone to medical school). You’re right, you may not know that a fertilized egg exists or not so if you want to risk killing a child, it’s your free will to do so but it’s very sad.
The 1st source I quoted was a direct quote from the Mayo Clinic website. It says progestin “keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus.” (Do you think they are guessing about this?) For those unfamiliar with the MayoClinic it is one of the top Medical clinics (it’s located in Minnesota) in the country and probably the world. It has no agenda with birth control.
Because women don’t take it properly. If you read disclosure brouchure when you get a package of BCPs, they have all the warnings in there.
Please Clarify.
Here is the quote from the Catechism
The theological standard given by the Church is “just reason”. “Extreme” circumstances would fall under “grave reasons” which is a much higher standard.
I’m very open to evidence. The problem is there is evidence on both sides of this argument and both claim credibility.
I understand. The most quoted reseach is from “Contraceptive Technology” They did a study in 1998, that is quoted by both Pro-NFPers and Pro-ABCers?!?
This may be your definition of the Sacrament of Marriage, but it is not the Church’s…
Again, this is your interpretation of the teachings of the Church. In fact and practice, what a “serious reason” or “grave reason” is solely the purview of the couple and their spiritual advisor. Christ alone can look into the hearts of couples and discern their generosity or selfishness. We must presume charity, and exhort all to a generosity toward the bearing and rearing of children.
I note with interest that you lump NFP into “contraception”. It is not, and your blithe attempt to call it such is a clue as to your hard judgments about NFP. Again, the most we can do is exhort and pray that couples can and will be open and generous to having children. Judging others - calling those who use NFP as using contraception - is a grave error and abuse of the Body of Christ.
And who is to say that the number of children I want is NOT the same as the number of children God wants me to have? There is a presumption underlying this position that I find so common any more. It is as if those of us who use NFP must pass a “generosity” test for some of our fellow Catholics. I understand the frustration many feel with couples who use contraception, but to lump those of us who use NFP into that same crowd is a serious error.
Creighton University is on-line. They are specialist in NFP and I know they know a lot about PCOS.
Oh my friend you *are *frustrating.
This doesnt make any sense. My point is that the reason for getting married is not to have sex…which would seem to be why people would get married, and use some form of unnatural, or natural way of not having children, or spacing their children for a reason that is not serious enough.
That was not my intention to narrow the view of marriage like that…I was just trying to stress its importance. But your response to it makes assumptions that I never said; that infertile couples should abstain from relations or have a meaningless marriage…that is a point you generated out of thin air from one word that I said…read the rest of my response to get the jist opf my post.
No actually, its the interpretaion of Canon Francis J. Ripley…but what you follow with is pretty much in line with my “serious or grave reason”
NFP is contraception if you are using it to not have children. Thats simply common sense.
No, charitably, you are completely wrong. Using NFP as everyday contraceptive is a potentially grave error. You need to read up more on this before you make claims like I am abusing the body of Christ. I will post Canon Ripley’s commentary on this subject in a later post. Please dont take my word for it.
To have sex is to will procreation and union. Contracepted sex involves willing procreation and union, and, at the same time, not willing procreation and union. NFP differs because it doesn’t involve this contradiction.
Charitably, ‘extreme’ should be the only reason a couple should practice contraception(NFP only) Please read the commentary I will post soon.
Absolutely not, because it is not being used as contraception.
that was just an example situation that also assumed the couple used money as an excuse for not having children. And in that situation, I can tell you from personal experience, that if you have the money to buy a pool table or expensive car, you surely have the money to raise children. My grandparents had one income, a low on at that, a 1200 sq. ft. house and 12 children. They gave up everything for their children. They never had a new car, a new house, a pool table, any luxeries whatsoever…they gave their entire lives to raise up children for God. And each child is eternally grateful for their lives, a direct result of their parents unselfish marriage.