So everyone should be reckless and ignore medical advice hoping it’ll all be grand in the end.
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PaulinVA
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God created the biology that is in play when a couple has relations. Certain rules dictate whether a conception is possible.
God abides by the biology he created. We know this, because NFP rules could be created based on evidence and science.
So, to just trust God to not allow conception for some reason when the mother is sick, thinking that God wouldn’t allow a bad outcome is foolish. There are bad outcomes all the time. Having faith in God and trusting God that everything will always turn out okay are two different things.
God abides by the biology he created. We know this, because NFP rules could be created based on evidence and science.
So, to just trust God to not allow conception for some reason when the mother is sick, thinking that God wouldn’t allow a bad outcome is foolish. There are bad outcomes all the time. Having faith in God and trusting God that everything will always turn out okay are two different things.
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ByWhatAuthority
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As I already said she would NOT have been wrong In her situation to avoid BUT she was greatly blessed for her trust in God. If you don’t want to use her as an example of trust equaling a miracle, that’s your propagative. I know the mother in question so I can vouch that trusting in God was the superior choice for her and her son who is alive today because of that trust.
It’s still foolishness. Coincidence maybe. But God doesn’t wave a magic wand and change the biological facts that he created. It was good luck that she didn’t die but certainly foolishness that she ignored the medical professional’s advice.
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What you call " foolishness", “Coincidence”, “magic”, “good luck”…I call it instead, a miracle! A gift from God! Who saved her life BY creating her baby boy who she was told NOT to concieve by her doctors.
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ByWhatAuthority
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Hers is the perfect example of trust in GOD!
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ByWhatAuthority
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Her openness to life saved herself and by Gods mercy, created her baby boy.
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PaulinVA
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But, it’s only a good example because something “good” came of it. What about all the people who “trusted” God and did something foolish and a bad outcome happened?
Trusting the Creator of the Universe to act the way you want is indeed pretty foolish.
A drunk driver kills a mother of three. Is that God’s will? No. It was someone exercising free will and bad judgement. Even if in his drunken state he trusted God to get him home, he still should not have gotten into the car.
I am glad you find this story uplifting. However, tempting God is never a good idea. I hope that you never are in the position of having tragedy test your theory of trust versus good judgement.
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Walking_Home
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ByWhatAuthority:
It’s still foolishness. Coincidence maybe. But God doesn’t wave a magic wand and change the biological facts that he created. It was good luck that she didn’t die but certainly foolishness that she ignored the medical professional’s advice.
Exactly.
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ByWhatAuthority
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When does the Church ever promote drunk driving?? Lol
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ByWhatAuthority
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I never said that! My example from years ago on SD was a mother, I happen to know who stayed open to children and was blessed, is all. I never said every mother must do this! She did, and her trust in God was rewarded. It’s sad that so many Catholics have such little faith.
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simpleas
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Thanks for sharing that story, it’s no doubt a miracle, how the life of the child helped heal the mother and then was given life too. Maybe not all ill pregnant mothers get the same out-come, but then that’s where our trust in God comes into play…
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PaulinVA
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No, I have a lot of faith that God will have mercy on me, a sinner, and that I will spend eternity with Him.
I think we should follow the best advice of experts when it comes to making decisions. As I said upthread, I don’t think it’s wise to expect the Creator of the Universe to act a certain way. I would never be that presumptuous.
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Walking_Home
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This is another of your following posts on that SD thread. That fact that your asked the question says – that this goes beyond the one mother — but extends to other couples/mothers. That they throw Doctors/caution to the winds – and trust in God.
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ByWhatAuthority:
No, I have a lot of faith that God will have mercy on me, a sinner, and that I will spend eternity with Him.
I think we should follow the best advice of experts when it comes to making decisions. As I said upthread, I don’t think it’s wise to expect the Creator of the Universe to act a certain way. I would never be that presumptuous.
Ditto.
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Xantippe
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I have these conversations with my kids where they do something careless or dangerous and it turns out OK.
The fact that it turned out OK doesn’t mean that the original act was wise.
That’s not judgemental at all.
You came on here with a post about how you’re not comfortable with NFP being promoted and how you think couples should be taught the Church’s “true teaching”. And how NFP is the “lesser of two evils”.
Then tell this story about how some woman foolishly ignored her doctor’s advice and somehow it all turned out OK in the end.
It’s nothing to do with having little faith. But Catholicsim goes hand in hand with reason. If a doctor tells me that my wife could die if she had a baby…then I would not put her at risk.
It is not our faith that’s flawed it’s your concept of what it means to trust in God.
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Exactly! The attitude that this is a good way to trust in God is like something a child would come up with.
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Laura_N
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It’s a really big leap to go from children should be lovingly excepted from God to have as many as you can. I am trying to avoid having a child right now, but if I was to find out I was pregnant tomorrow, I would definitely still love that child and trust that God let it happen for a reason, just as I did when I found out Inwas pregnant with my second child when my first was only five months old.
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