NFP marketing, is promoting it right?

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If God had allowed or willed it, this woman could just as easily have become pregnant if she used the pill and forgot to take it, or if she used a condom with a pin-sized hole. To see it as happening only because she ignored her doctors’ advice is a bit of a fallacy to begin with.
 
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“Xantippe said:
I have these conversations with my kids where they do something careless or dangerous and it turns out OK.

The fact that it turned out OK doesn’t mean that the original act was wise.
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The problem is, I don’t define leaving the size of your family as “careless or dangerous” or unwise behavior. We make the promise to accept children lovingly from God when we make our vows. That is not akin to irresponsible or reckless actions made by children.
 
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God designed the female body so we have signs that indicate fertility. God gave us reason and the intelligence to read the signs of our body.

God did not design women to be fertile all of the time, he could have designed us like cats to ovulate when we have intercourse. He did not do that. He built it into our bodies to know when we are fertile.

Perhaps you have confused the branch of protestant teaching that preaches providentialism, the Quiver-full movement, as Catholic teaching/.
 
Read the Catechism portion I posted above, read HV and the footnotes as suggested.
 
AdamPeter said:
Then tell this story about how some woman foolishly ignored her doctor’s advice and somehow it all turned out OK in the end.
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I didn’t post that story! Someone (with a lot of time on his/ her hands) found something I wrote on another forum years ago in reference to NFP and reposted it here. Lol! I stand by my previous posts from that other forum though. Dig away! I stand by my words and have nothing to be afraid of.
 
In the modern, developed world, TB has been treatable since the 1940’s.

It is caused by bacteria, so, that a woman went into remission from TB is certainly a good thing, TB is not cured by pressure on the lungs/
 
I said it was “some form of” I never said it was tuberculosis. It was something causing a hole in her lungs that would not heal on its own. She was sick for a long time before being sent home to pretty much die. Her story was actually posted on lifesite news a number of years ago.
 
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I didn’t post that story! Someone (with a lot of time on his/ her hands) found something I wrote on another forum years ago in reference to NFP and reposted it here. Lol! I stand by my previous posts from that other forum though. Dig away! I stand by my words and have nothing to be afraid of.
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It’s good that you are strong in your convictions. BUT, we should all always be willing to listen to others to see if we can learn something,
 
That’s why I posted this in the first place. To see what others here think of my thoughts on this.

My original question/thought was that the promotion of something the Chruch used to say must only be used for “grave or serious reasons”…is it folly to promote such a thing today as the end all be all to a happy marriage or as a means to prevent pesky babies and not for serious reasons??

I got a lot of responses to this thought, though I must say nothing really convinced me that the Church hasn’t softened its position on accepting children lovingly from God. It seems the Church today dosnt mind if Catholics think it’s up to them and not God how many blessing they receive. That lead me to say that may be the reason there are very few large families in our churches today… If you disagree, fine. I am not offended and I enjoy hearing you all try to explain your position.
 
I also happen to know the mother in question. Anyway, her story is off topic. I never said NFP didn’t have its place. I even said in my post from years ago that she would not have been wrong to use NFP given her serious health issue. I’m not really sure why that poster is trying to dig up something inflamitory I wrote years ago.?? Anyway, no harm done. Fire away!
 
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God did not design women to be fertile all of the time, he could have designed us like cats to ovulate when we have intercourse. He did not do that. He built it into our bodies to know when we are fertile.
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I know that! I don’t believe I suggested that we try and have as many babies as humanly possible. I stand by the teachings of the church that children are blessings from God. Who am I to tell God, enough is enough, I can’t handle another one! He knows best and will not give us more then we can handle in regard to His blessings.
 
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AdamPeter:
Then tell this story about how some woman foolishly ignored her doctor’s advice and somehow it all turned out OK in the end.
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I didn’t post that story! Someone (with a lot of time on his/ her hands) found something I wrote on another forum years ago in reference to NFP and reposted it here. Lol! I stand by my previous posts from that other forum though. Dig away! I stand by my words and have nothing to be afraid of.
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I posted what you said over at SD – to let people here know just what your “angle” is. It gives insight as to what “modivates” you to start this thread. Oh and – you make it sound like your posts in SD were from long-long -long ago – but your posts are from 2015.
 
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TheLittleLady:
God did not design women to be fertile all of the time, he could have designed us like cats to ovulate when we have intercourse. He did not do that. He built it into our bodies to know when we are fertile.
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I know that! I don’t believe I suggested that we try and have as many babies as humanly possible. I stand by the teachings of the church that children are blessings from God. Who am I to tell God, enough is enough, I can’t handle another one! He knows best and will not give us more then we can handle in regard to His blessings.
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You are leaving out the human element in the equation. As long as the couple keeps having sex during the fertile time – yea conception happens – even if the wife is at deaths door/suffering mental health issues/etc.etc.

Or the husband is an abuser – conception still happens – giving him one more to abuse.
 
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@TheLittleLady What you wrote made me think. God did not make us fertile like your cat example. So that makes me think even more that it must be Gods plan for us to accept His will in regards to our family size as it wouldn’t be possible anyway for us to have dozens of babies even if we were really trying. It’s important to remember that He will not over burden us. If we were fertile like cats, NFP would probably be an absolute! Lol!🙂
 
Playing russian roullet with the welfare/health/life of a woman/mother does not come from God.
 
So are you suggesting NFP is essential because abusive husbands will concieve babies and then abuse them??? I don’t think NFP is going to be a solution to THAT problem.
 
In the words of the Holy Father, Pope Francis, “Who am I to judge?” Sometimes God provides answers and miracles happen when we trust in His mercy.
 
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