Nicolas Coppola, gay catholic who married, is banned from church duties, was this right?

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Corki said:
It seems that he has from the article. A marriage is a public event - even a simulated one.

But even if he “married” in secret, attempting a Sacrament is a grave sin. It’s not one of those sins that is only grave if done publicly. Persisting in grave sin would make him ineligible for parish ministry.
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If he got “married” civilly just for the benefits without any intentions for sex to be involved in the relationship and no intention for it to be regard as a marriage except in the eyes of the law would he in fact be committing sacrilege?
EasterJoy said:
I can’t tell from this whether you are trying to sound truly outraged or merely sardonic. Your comedic writing needs work. Cut the hyperbole a bit, as a start.
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I apologize for the excessive hyperbole, but that does not make the rest an attempt at comedy.
stlcatholic86 said:
We will never agree about the Catholic Church on the teaching of homosexuality. I’m sure people will suggest that I am not a true Catholic, but I disagree. Yes, I am openly gay man who accepts the Eucharist. :eek:
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Do you engage in sex outside of the sacrament of marriage?
stlcatholic86 said:
Actually no homosexuality according to the church is only “dis-ordered” not sinful. Only thing that is a sin is the sexual act, much like any outside of marriage. Thus one who is openly gay but celibate can receive the Eucharist and serve as a leader in the church as this would not preclude them as long as they were celibate. At least this is my understanding of the churches position on homosexuality.
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The bolded part is correct, the unbolded part depends on your definition of “leadership”
KellyPalmer said:
You are moving the target in this conversation. Remember you originally commented that Catholics don’t remark as much about capital punishment as they do about abortion. Of course, the frequency of remarks will relate to the amount of injustice.
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Then we should also wage a war on fornication and pornography.
 
stlcatholic86 said:
I suppose I will put it simple the Catholic teaching on homosexuality is cruel. Those aren’t my words but rather a Priest in the church. I agree with that assessment.

Comparing this to abortion, or other church doctrines just doesn’t have the same equivelant. I also really hate that we relegate the issue to abortion, because its not about abortion it’s about life. Hence why as Catholics we should be just as morally opposed to abortion as we are the death penalty unfortunately we don’t remark as much on the subject of the death penalty as we do on abortion.
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Can I ask a stupid question? If you think such things about the Church, why do you want to remain Catholic? And shame on the priest for what he said, if indeed it is true.
 
Seaborgium said:
Was this the right thing to do? To ban him from church duties (laity)

huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/nicolas-coppola-gay-catholic-banned-church_n_3017986.html?1365176472&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008
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If he was a man who had left his wife and had a live in girlfriend, or a woman who had divorced her husband and married again without being granted a nullity of marriage, it would be appropriate to ban them from a leadership position within the Church.

The only reason this gets any publicity is because the man proclaims to be Catholic while being a practicing homosexual.

No one is banning him from Mass. He cannot receive the Eucharist and should not be assuming a leadership position while living in mortal sin.

When I was living in mortal sin it never OCCURRED to me to go the the local Parish and demand to be allowed to be a catechist. I am wondering why this man thinks his situation is any different from mine?🤷
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
If he got “married” civilly just for the benefits without any intentions for sex to be involved in the relationship and no intention for it to be regard as a marriage except in the eyes of the law would he in fact be committing sacrilege?
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Yes. The sin is not determined by the intent. Simulating a Sacrament is always sacrilege and sacrilege is always sinful.
 
estesbob said:
There is no problem as long as he is celibate.
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Not necessarily the case. He has stated that he disagrees with the teaching of the Church and will never agree to it. Obstinate refusal to accept a teaching of the Church is a serious matter too.
 
Corki said:
Not necessarily the case. He has stated that he disagrees with the teaching of the Church and will never agree to it. Obstinate refusal to accept a teaching of the Church is a serious matter too.
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He stated that after my post. Obviously you are correct.
 
Friends, how did this thread get to be about stlcatholic86? He’s not even the OP.! Was it to distract us from the original question? Because, dang, this has bounced all over the place!!!
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Never witnessed it.

Is civil marriage a holy thing?

If it weren’t called marriage and was instead called domestic partnership would it still be sacrilege?
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If the partners are not Catholic, a civil marriage is a holy thing. If they are, it’s sacrilege,

As for your second question, for a Catholic, a domestic partnership would still be gravely sinful but not sacrilege, in my opinion, unless it is contracted in a way that mimics marriage.
 
Corki said:
If the partners are not Catholic, a civil marriage is a holy thing. If they are, it’s sacrilege,

As for your second question, for a Catholic, a domestic partnership would still be gravely sinful but not sacrilege, in my opinion, unless it is contracted in a way that mimics marriage.
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Why?
 
The original question was "Nicolas Coppola, gay catholic who married, is banned from church duties, was this right?"
stlcatholic86 asserted that Coppola’s removal from Church duties was “cruel” and admits that he is a “gay” man living a homosexual “lifestyle.” He also asserts that Church teaching on homosexuality is wrong and chooses to set his own standards regarding morality. Frankly, would you expect an “out” homosexual to assert otherwise? Homosexuals hate being told “no”, hate being told that their sickness is disordered and seek most always to justify homosexual pathology by asserting that anyone who disagrees is a “bigot” or who is “judgemental or unloving.” The Church merely teaches the truth about the reality of disordered homosexuality, therefore the homosexual “community” will always regard the Church as it’s enemy. Hopefully, our new Holy Father will eliminate homosexuals from the Church, root and branch.
 
Until Coppola repents of his sin (practicing homosexuality), he should be removed from leadership positions. To not remove him would be to scandalize the congregation.
 
stlcatholic86 said:
Yes he is so clearly being intolerant. How dare he devote his time to God, the church, his parish, to its fellow parishioners! He clearly doesn’t see that he is suppose to live a celibate life if he has SSA. He can if he wishes be a member of the laity as long as he acknowledges his homosexuality is disordered and vows to remain celibate. If this causes him personal suffering… So what? Life is hard it wasn’t meant to be easy! He needs to suck it up after all that’s what he gets for being disordered.
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So because I speak the truth of the RCC, you start to attack with a snarky remark. Well, as a charitable reminder, please remember that everyone suffers–everyone. It is a result of being a fallen people. The problem is, people with SSA think that their suffering is more severe, requiring special caveats. Let me tell you about my suffering for a minute. My husband and I are infertile. We know there are procedures that will help us grow our family but are against the teaching of the Church. But you don’t see me getting up in arms and attacking the Church in order to change her policies. You think I don’t hurt seeing all the ads with happy families, being asked why I don’t have xyz number of children? It nearly took out my marriage. But we are called to unite our suffering with Christ’s in order to obtain eternal salvation.

There’s a good lesson to be learned and I said it before: Life isn’t fair!!! I ended up going against the Church & pursuing fertility treatments. I had a stillborn daughter and a little boy…with autism. Ever met a family you are close to who has a kid on the spectrum? Well, it ain’t no party being criticized for being a bad parent or having your kid mocked, reprimanded, etc. by strangers for doing things he does not understand. And unlike people with SSA who have the choice to keep their inclinations to themselves, my kid can’t hide his autism. So he lives through the negative comments and lack of friends every day. I have to sooth his tears every day. I don’t have a lot of patience for people complaining about the plight of people with SSA. Walk a mile in my shoes and maybe you will see that you don’t have it so bad. Rant over.
 
Soren_Itenu said:
Until Coppola repents of his sin (practicing homosexuality), he should be removed from leadership positions. To not remove him would be to scandalize the congregation.
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Do you think that most people with don’t know what scandal is or does not appreciate it?
 
Even if people don’t know what the word “scandal” means, they get the concept. It’s confusing people about what is and isn’t acceptable. It’s about knowing what sin is, and then allowing a man to stay in a leadership position, thereby tacitly giving approval to that sin.
 
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