Nike takes sides, tapping Colin Kaepernick for new 'Just Do It' ad

[qui_est_ce]

exnihilo:

What I’m telling you is most people who are poor are so due to their own choices.

What is your evidence for such an outrageous claim?

Have you ever worked in a homeless shelter for pregnant women and their children? This claim is not outrageous at all. They all have tattoos, long fingernails, and by the time they are twenty five, have several children and another on the way - all by different fathers. Most of them smoke. This is just a fact. I’m talking about white women, Hispanic women, African-American women.

On of the things we teach them is to learn is to take responsibility for their choices. When they first come in, they blame everybody but themselves for their circumstances. The transformation is amazing.

 

[Kmcicco2000]

Colin has always been clear about what his protest is about. It’s police brutality against young black men .it has nothing to do with the flag the National Anthem or the troops. That’s just what Fox News and some conservatives made up. They don’t get to define someone else 's protest. I’m buying Nike shoes this weekend

 

[qui_est_ce]

John24:

What is your evidence for such an outrageous claim?

Personal observation of multiple cases and decades of the social welfare state giving people money. This also is a problem of seemingly wealthy people as well. A lot of people live far beyond their means. There is noting outrageous about that.

Here is a sad fact. One of the women in the home where I volunteer had two tiny twin babies and a five year old special needs child. At the home, she was getting support, diapers, clothing, medical care, etc. A subsidized apartment became available for her and she left. I thought how in the world is she going to cope all by herself in that apartment? I couldn’t even imagine how she would get to the grocery store. This is just one example of how wrong things are.

The homeless women at the home where I volunteer have exhausted all their resources, family, friends, etc. and are out on the street.

 

[John24]

Personal observation of multiple cases and decades of the social welfare state giving people money.

As 40 million people live in poverty in this country I am very impressed that you took the time to personally observe at least 20 million of them in order to make your claim.

Have you ever worked in a homeless shelter for pregnant women and their children?

Weekly.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I prefer Sketchers, I do have a pair of Red Nike’s to Sport with my Alabama Crimson Tide attire…

 

[qui_est_ce]

Personal observation of multiple cases and decades of the social welfare state giving people money.

As 40 million people live in poverty in this country I am very impressed that you took the time to personally observe at least 20 million of them in order to make your claim.

Do statisticians interview each and every person in the country when they take their surveys?

Have you ever worked in a homeless shelter for pregnant women and their children?

Weekly.

Then you know what we are talking about.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Taking payment from Nike is not equivalent to affirming their mission or affirming all their practices.

So then you’re okay that Trump may have taken money from Putin? After all, it doesn’t mean he affirms his mission or practices…

This is an example of the “this thing is like that thing” argument. Weak. Very weak.

LeafByNiggle:

Taking payment from Nike is not equivalent to affirming their mission or affirming all their practices.

Actually it is, you would be supporting their brand, which they use to sell their merchandise.

“Supporting their brand” and “helping them to sell merchandise” does not constitute affirmation of every practice of Nike. At most it is saying “these are good shoes!”

Kids get mugged and, I believe, even killed for Nikes. The kids buying them usually look like they should be spending their money on other things. A lot of poor people, maybe most, aren’t poor because they don’t get money but because they waste it. The irony of all this is that really Nike exploits the people it appeals to.

Nike doesn’t “exploit” its customers. It sells them products they want. Now, raising the price of EpiPens is exploiting the customers because they need those products to stay alive. But offering products in a competitive market is not exploitation. (I though you guys were all for singing the praises of the free market.)

No,it’s more like CK is a petulant ,obstinate teenager.Hes gonna show those cops!Disgraceful

Or Kap is just foolish and two-faced. Either one.

These name-calling comments make such compelling arguments!

But the real irony of all this is Cop’s killing people is a local issue, primarily in a few metro areas.

It has nothing to do with the flag or the constitution.

And CK’s protest was not against the flag or the constitution.

Also, many of these cities are controlled by minorities who in turn are in charge of the police. The Mayor and City Council direct the police and control who is on any community review boards.

Is this supposed to somehow discredit the protest against police shootings of unarmed minorities?

Looking at his Nike contract, it doesn’t seem he even sacrificed a high-paying career…

He had no assurances at the time he started his protest that he would have a Nike contract or a career. The sacrifice was admirable.

Does anyone else feel like Nike is co-opting the anti-police brutality movement in order to sell their brand? Or, Is Nike trying to make money off of police brutality?

Nike is trying to make money off of people’s admiration for CK.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Colin has always been clear about what his protest is about. It’s police brutality against young black men .it has nothing to do with the flag the National Anthem or the troops. That’s just what Fox News and some conservatives made up. They don’t get to define someone else 's protest. I’m buying Nike shoes this weekend

It’s virtue signaling.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

What I’m telling you is most people who are poor are so due to their own choices.

Big, big myth propagated by those who are lucky enough not to be poor.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

Nike is trying to make money off of people’s admiration for CK.

That’s not bad. Are you interested in a career in public relations?

 

[qui_est_ce]

exnihilo:

What I’m telling you is most people who are poor are so due to their own choices.

Big, big myth propagated by those who are lucky enough not to be poor.

Tell that to lottery winners.

 

[John24]

claim.

Do exnihilo’s personal observations rise to the level of professional demographic statistics? If his observations were rigorous enough to support that claim I would love to see documentation.

Then you know what we are talking about.

Yup, I am very aware of the crushing economic reality poor people face every day and the way the rich make stuff up to blame the poor for their poverty.

Is this supposed to somehow discredit the protest against police shootings of unarmed minorities?

It’s the same invented reality: poor people are really to blame for their poverty, minorities are really to blame for police violence against minorities, etc.

It’s virtue signaling.

If so the other side is virtue signalling as well, only the “virtue” they’re supporting is police violence against minorities.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Then you know what we are talking about.

Another broad brushed statement. You don’t know me or my economic circumstances at all.

Is this supposed to somehow discredit the protest against police shootings of unarmed minorities?

I don’t recall anyone saying minorities are responsible for police violence. Another example of strawman argument by you.

If so the other side is virtue signalling as well, only the “virtue” they’re supporting is police violence against minorities.

Haven’t seen any evidence of that here.

 

[Theo520]

Colin has always been clear about what his protest is about. It’s police brutality against young black men .it has nothing to do with the flag the National Anthem or the troops. That’s just what Fox News and some conservatives made up. They don’t get to define someone else 's protest. I’m buying Nike shoes this weekend

His protest is as smart as putting a booger in your sister’s hamburger because you are mad at your brother.

He’s protesting the National Anthem, not the city mayor who controls the police.
People are very logical in pointing out the actual significance of his protest, misguided though it may be.

 

[exnihilo]

As 40 million people live in poverty in this country I am very impressed that you took the time to personally observe at least 20 million of them in order to make your claim.

And how exactly did you arrive at your opinion? Did you survey all the poor?

Nike doesn’t “exploit” its customers. It sells them products they want. Now, raising the price of EpiPens is exploiting the customers because they need those products to stay alive. But offering products in a competitive market is not exploitation. (I though you guys were all for singing the praises of the free market.)

Sure it does. It exploits their baser instincts. I don’t disagree that it is a voluntary transaction. But that doesn’t mean it is good.

Big, big myth propagated by those who are lucky enough not to be poor.

Nah. I’ve seen enough to know. Not to mention the government has been giving poor people everything for decades. But they don’t get out of poverty. So we know it definitely isn’t lack of resources or education that is the problem. We have actual evidence of this. Any other opinion is based on imagination.

 

[qui_est_ce]

John24:

I am personally shocked that someone who can’t afford the very high costs of raising a child can afford the much less expensive, often government-subsidized, and vital-for-any-poor-person-navigating-multiple-bureacracies-at-multiple-agencies cell phone

Actually raising a child isn’t expensive at all.

It’s not shocking that government agencies are difficult to deal with, and continually solve their administrative and financial problems with more layers of administration. People who cannot take care of themselves and need government assistance can surely learn, and pass on to their children, the skills needed to navigate the myriad of agencies, regulations, administrative layers, and all forms of county, state and federal variations thereof that exist. It’s not a problem though, they just need a smart phone, a second brain if you will, to do the hard parts for them.

They saying the choices we make in life have nothing to do with outcomes of those choices. Either that or poor people are just too stupid to make the right choices.

 

[John24]

I don’t recall anyone saying minorities are responsible for police violence.

Did you read the post I was responding to, and the post it was responding to, because that is exactly the implication that was made by responding to police violence against minorities by saying “Well actually many city governments and therefore police are controlled by minorities.”

He’s protesting the National Anthem

No he isn’t.

And how exactly did you arrive at your opinion? Did you survey all the poor?

Nope, the Census Bureau and other government agencies did.

They saying the choices we make in life have nothing to do with outcomes of those choices.

Our choices don’t have nothing to do with outcomes, and there are always anecdotal cases of people facing consequences for bad choices they made, but in this country the single greatest indicator of whether you will be poor or not is the wealth of your parents, and that becomes a better indicator each year as economic mobility decreases.

Either that or poor people are just too stupid to make the right choices.

Yeah, that’s a really disturbing sentiment being displayed here by those blaming the poor for their poverty.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Nike doesn’t “exploit” its customers. It sells them products they want. Now, raising the price of EpiPens is exploiting the customers because they need those products to stay alive. But offering products in a competitive market is not exploitation. (I though you guys were all for singing the praises of the free market.)

Sure it does. It exploits their baser instincts. I don’t disagree that it is a voluntary transaction. But that doesn’t mean it is good.

The desire to have good sports shoes with some style is a baser instinct. Now if they were selling pornography, that would be exploiting a baser instinct. But selling shoes? No way.

Big, big myth propagated by those who are lucky enough not to be poor.

Nah. I’ve seen enough to know. Not to mention the government has been giving poor people everything for decades. But they don’t get out of poverty. So we know it definitely isn’t lack of resources or education that is the problem. We have actual evidence of this. Any other opinion is based on imagination.

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

Yes I double dog dare him too.
I’ll probably ask my own Priest that question myself tonight. I’ve got the privates for it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Personal observation of multiple cases and decades of the social welfare state giving people money. This also is a problem of seemingly wealthy people as well. A lot of people live far beyond their means. There is noting outrageous about that.

I was at a seminar about a year ago, and one of the speakers asserted that the average period of time it takes for a person to spend up an inheritance is 18 months. If so, it’s not unreasonable to believe most people spend everything they get.